annewandering

I was reading on this topic in 2 Nephi. Repeatedly it states that the Jews must accept the savior and be converted before this can all happen. Chapter 6:11, "...nevertheless, the Lord will be merciful unto them, that when they (Isreal, not just the jews) shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer, they shall be gathered together again to the lands of their inheritance." And in chapter 9:2, "...until the time comes that they (the jews) shall be restored to the true church and fold of God; when they shall be gathered home to the lands of their inheritance..." To me this clearly states that no matter how much political and financial help and power they receive from other nations in everyone trying to force the prophecy to happen, they will not build the temple and truly gather in all the tribes of Isreal, and Isreal become a beautiful sanctuary (other scriptures), until they come unto Christ.They need to "be restored to the true church and fold of God" and "come to the knowledge of their Redeemer". Some say this is happening quickly with the growth of the Messianic Jewish religion, but only about half of those members are of Jewish decent, but we must also remember that the one verse says "Isreal" and are not the patriarchal blessings unfolding all the tribes true identities throughout the world and gathering them into the church/fold, albeit they are of the other tribes?

I lucid dream. It has saved my sanity at times. I suppose for every good thing there are people who can pervert it for evil. Lucid dreaming is NOT evil unless the dreamer is evil. When I was seven and being molested I had nightmares every night without fail. It took me awhile but I learned to control what I dreamed and was able to sleep again without nightmares. Now I only interrupt or change dreams that have gone off into areas that are too disturbing for me like extreme violence or someone I love being hurt or killed. I believe most dreams can teach us something we need to think about so its best to let them run their course but some just have to be stopped. God gave me a blessing as a child and showed me how to lucid dream. It was not from satan. Satan probably loved my nightmares.  

I lucid dream. It has saved my sanity at times. I suppose for every good thing there are people who can pervert it for evil. Lucid dreaming is NOT evil unless the dreamer is evil. When I was seven and being molested I had nightmares every night without fail. It took me awhile but I learned to control what I dreamed and was able to sleep again without nightmares. Now I only interrupt or change dreams that have gone off into areas that are too disturbing for me like extreme violence or someone I love being hurt or killed. I believe most dreams can teach us something we need to think about so its best to let them run their course but some just have to be stopped. God gave me a blessing as a child and showed me how to lucid dream. It was not from satan. Satan probably loved my nightmares.  

Strangely argumentative.
 
 
They can.
 
 
Everyone was once the "true" faith, as the true faith came through Adam and Noah...so...how is this meaningful?
 
 
Well...if you're sure then...it's settled.
 
 
I think we are the only ones who can build a temple under proper authority, just as we are the only ones who can baptize under proper authority, and preach the word under proper authority, and do all else pertaining to God's work under proper authority.
 
Anyone that wants to can build a temple though.

with all this talk about astral projection and candy... I should find my drums

Aussie influence (great grandfather served with an Australian regiment... We also sing Christmas carols in the summertime as an unrelated quirk).
Early onset Alzeheimers runs in my family. Typically age 30-60 if its going to hit.
ANYHOW... About 200 years ago one of my ancestors decided that what Alzheimer's was was his wife's spirit trying to take care of things in this world before she passed, because she didn't have enough time to take care of those things in her lifetime. God being generous allowed her spirit to do the things it needed to do, but also come back for a time, and from time to time to be with the people she loved, instead of simply dying.
The concept has just stuck.
Watching my grandmother, and now my mother, it's simply one of those things which may not be right... But FEELS right.
No idea whether things are temporal or spirit world, and quite frankly, I'd prefer not to find out. It usually only hits one or two a generation, and that's not the grenade I'd prefer to jump on.
It just got the name in WWI (WWII? Tripoli.).
The phrase has been catching on, lately. My great grandfather picked it up from an Aussie family familiar with early onset, we've used it for a few generations, and the ward my grandmother was in, rather a lot of the staff and other families adopted it. So it's not just "ours". Or even originally ours.
Similarly (family beliefs)... The fluidity and grace of childhood comes from he spirit being new to its body, the pain of old age the spirit preparing to leave its body. Also meaning that the natural consequence of Spirit Gone Walkabout are physical consequences. That there is no, lubrication?/ vivacity/ fluidity, with the spirit gone... So things go a bit pear shaped on the home front. Plaques, sclerosis, calcifications, atrophy. The idea being that when the spirit isn't home to mind the shop, things aren't taken care of as they ought to be.
Also my family has gallows humor. Anything possible to smile at, we do.
I should mention, my family isn't LDS.
Mostly totally secular research scientists, military, medical types.
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lucid dreaming is harmless, since all it is, is you are almost awake (or almost asleep) and your mind still is active enough to control your imagination.
since most of my novels come from my untainted dreams I leave them alone

I may not have seen the newest one yet, I've seen two, I understand their could be a third... Any how never noticed Adam digging - I guess in his child like state he wanted to play in the dirt like little boys do.:)

Who is going to build the temple?
 
Joseph Fielding Smith:
 
"Neither will the Lord call upon those who are cut off from his people to accomplish his holy work. The temple will not be built by those who say that Joseph Smith was a fallen prophet, and who have failed to accept the fullness of the word of the Lord as it came through him. No people will be commanded and directed by revelation from the Lord to build his temple, when they know nothing of temple building and the ordinances performed in temples. The Latter-day Saints may be assured that when the time comes for the building of the house of the Lord, he will call upon his people who have remained true and have been faithful in the purposes of the Lord in bringing to pass the salvation of the living and of the dead. We may be doubly sure that the Lord did not send Elijah the prophet with the keys of the sealing ordinances which are performed, in the temple, so that the earth will not be smitten with a curse when the Redeemer shall come, and then call into favor a people who rejected the coming of Elijah and all the authority and keys he was sent to bestow, and ask them to build the temple of the Lord."
 
and Bruce R. McConkie -
 
"By what power and under whose authorization shall the work be done? There is only one place under the whole heavens where the keys of temple building are found. There is only one people who know how to build temples and what to do in them when they are completed. That people is the Latter-day Saints. The temple in Jerusalem will not be built by Jews who have assembled there for political purposes as at present. It will not be built by a people who know nothing whatever about the sealing ordinances and their application to the living and the dead. It will not be built by those who know nothing about Christ and his laws and the mysteries reserved for the saints. But it will be built by Jews who have come unto Christ, who once again are in the true fold of their ancient Shepherd, and who have learned anew about temples because they know that Elijah did come, not to sit in a vacant chair at some Jewish feast of the Passover, but to the Kirkland Temple on April 3, 1836, to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. The temple in Jerusalem will be built by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “They that are far off,” [Zech. 6:12-15.] they that come from an American Zion, they who have a temple in Salt Lake City will come to Jerusalem to build there another holy house in the Jerusalem portion of “the mountains of the Lord’s house." He also said: "A house of the Lord—the Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah of the Jews—shall rise again in Jerusalem, . . . because the remnants of Judah shall accept their King, believe his gospel, and walk in his paths. A holy temple, the house of the Lord—a sacred sanctuary with its Holy of Holies where the Divine Presence, the Shekinah of old, shall once more be manifest to Israel—shall be built in Old Jerusalem. It shall be built by the Jews: Jews who believe in Christ; Jews who are converted to the truth; Jews who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Jews who hold again the powers andpriesthoods possessed by their ancestors. The keys and powers whereby temples are built vest in the President of the Church, the presiding high priest among the Lord’s latter-day people. These keys first conferred by angelic ministrants—Moses, Elijah, Elias, and others—upon Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery have come down in direct succession and rest upon and are exercised by the prophet of God on earth, the one who, as it were, wears the mantle of Joseph Smith. And so it is that the Jews shall build their temple, and the Jews who do it will be Mormons; they will be Jews who are the converted and baptized saints of the latter days." As to where, it can only really be speculated, as the traditional location of the temple is simple that -- tradition -- and we don't know for sure. But it can be reasonably expected that "the" temple in Jerusalem will be on the same holy site as the original temple was (presuming that the traditional location of The Dome of the Rock is where that is). However, I see no reason why that limits the potential for other temples in Jerusalem as well. Just as we now have a temple in Kansas City, it doesn't mean the New Jerusalem temple no longer needs to be built on the dedicated site.

It's always a good thing to go back to the Basics

Even when it is, we come to find out that artificial turf offers no sustenance.  :-)
 
Where we sometimes err is in thinking that if we just add more water to the lawn then we'll feel better.  Sometimes we need to stop watering, sit down, and enjoy some lemonaid.  How might that look for us?  Well, maybe instead of one more visitation, or one more task, what we need is to sit down, put on some inspirational music, and allow the peace, rest and comfort of our Master to soothe our weary souls.

They are given the text before hand.  However, what I was told from 2 translators now in an admin group I belong to, the speakers will sometimes deviate as moved to do from what was originally on the transcript and the translators have to be able to catch that.

Fine.  FINE!!!!  *pout*
 
My old mission president (a native of the country I served in) is in the Seventy now and mentioned on our mission Facebook group today that he'll be speaking, in the mission language, during a session this coming October.  That could be subject to change, I suppose; but the impression I got from him was that permission had already been given.
 
Logistically - I doubt it would be that difficult.  My understanding is that English texts are given to the various translators ahead of time anyways, so the translators can work off of those.  The speakers just won't have any latitude to improvise/ad lib during the talk itself.  Heck, I'm told some GAs (like Pres. Uchtdorf) even pre-record versions of their talks in their native languages to be streamed concurrently with their real-time English deliveries.  If that's true, they just need to flip-flop the processes--pre-record the English language version and live-deliver the native-language.

I was talking to a girl today I know that translates during General Conference.  She said she hadn't heard anything about it yet but she wonders about the logistics of it.  You already have all of these people who speak English and the language they are translating to.  She said they wouldn't be able to translate from a language that they aren't familiar with.

I dont know where the most hardship comes from. There are numerous possibilities. Bullying, no doubt, is a large part. That is the one part that should be the easiest to stop but it is just too easy to love to have scapegoats. Antibullying campaigns are a good step but it should not target just one subset of kids.
My guess is another large part comes from people misunderstanding the difference between accepting the person and accepting the actions. Everyone has enough sin to work on themselves without getting antsy about others sins, real or perceived. (not going to go there ^^)

Soulsearcher, I am sorry you have had bad experiences in your life with your family and friends. Its hard to imagine rejecting people you supposedly love even if they are not living up to what you hoped and expected. No one does by the way. I am sure I am not who my parents dreamed of. They still love me. I see my kids make choices that make me worry about them but it has nothing to do with how much I love them. (I have no idea if homosexuality is a choice or not but the lifestyle is)
Its so hard for me to see how anyone can be cruel to people they love. Having a homosexual child would make me worry a lot about them. They are in for a harder life than they would have had otherwise. Pulling love away just makes it worse.

I read a nice write-up this morning, that I felt gave a fairer treatment than what I read yesterday in the NYT, and which also gave more background information.  It also includes links to the letters that were sent to both of these members.  http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58056757-78/kelly-font-scribd-dehlin.html.csp

It turns out that I was wrong earlier when I said that both Kate Kelly and John Dehlin were still members in good standing, as far as we knew.  Kate had received a letter from her stake president last month, following up on a meeting with him, that placed her on informal probation, but which specifically stated that she was no longer able to say that she was a member in good standing.  John had recently requested no contact from church members, missionaries, or leaders, and had also requested no home teachers.  Effectively, he's removed himself from the Church already, all but formally.

I do still feel for Kate, but less so for John, now that I'm aware of actions that he has already taken.

Can we straighten something out in this thread, please?  In case you only read the OP, but not the linked article, you might not realize that neither Kate Kelly nor John Dehlin have been excommunicated.  They've each been notified, by their own individual local leaders, that they are now subject to official Church disciplinary action.  Such action has not yet taken place.  They are currently still members of the Church, in good standing, even, so far as we can tell.

The church made a statement today in response to questions from the media regarding disciplinary actions:
 
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/
 
"The Church is a family made up of millions of individuals with diverse backgrounds and opinions. There is room for questions and we welcome sincere conversations. We hope those seeking answers will find them and happiness through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
"Sometimes members’ actions contradict Church doctrine and lead others astray. While uncommon, some members in effect choose to take themselves out of the Church by actively teaching and publicly attempting to change doctrine to comply with their personal beliefs. This saddens leaders and fellow members. In these rare cases, local leaders have the responsibility to clarify false teachings and prevent other members from being misled. Decisions are made by local leaders and not directed or coordinated by Church headquarters.
 
"Actions to address a person’s membership and standing in their congregation are convened after lengthy periods of counseling and encouragement to reconsider behavior. Ultimately, the door is always open for people to return to the Church."

Thank you for your prayers and kind words. I have always believed the Plan of Salvation but now it becomes the point to hang my sanity on. I am so thankful for the Gospel and all that God and His son have done for us. Without their love and care we would be lost in a dark world indeed. 

Thank you for your prayers and kind words. I have always believed the Plan of Salvation but now it becomes the point to hang my sanity on. I am so thankful for the Gospel and all that God and His son have done for us. Without their love and care we would be lost in a dark world indeed. 

Thank you for your prayers and kind words. I have always believed the Plan of Salvation but now it becomes the point to hang my sanity on. I am so thankful for the Gospel and all that God and His son have done for us. Without their love and care we would be lost in a dark world indeed. 

So sorry for your loss annewandering, you are in my prayers.
 
M.

I'm so sorry.  Annewandering and her family will be in my prayers.

Prayers on the way