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Skippy740, I don't know you or your situation but I just want to tell you that I hope everything works out for you in the end. I really mean it. *hugs*

Are there in the Scriptures? "Thou shall eat green jello" "Thou shall wear a white shirt" "Thou shall not grow a beard" "Thou shall have at least 5 children". That's basically how I see it and if in doubt, I research.

"Where can I turn for peace?" Touches my heart every time. Yes, I do have a heart.

Okay Vort

Oh come on Vort, you are a smart guy (and I mean it). I am ONLY saying if you want to do a rebuttal of those points in that thread and not just "rant" about the "lies" that you saw over there. I am VERY open minded so if you have historical evidence to provide in that thread to refute some of those points, it would be great.

Vort, yes in your opinion. I invited you to join that thread a few times to do a rebuttal of some of those points you find as "lies" but you kindly refused. I would like to extend the invitation once again if you are interested to discuss it rather than just rant. If you do not wish to do so, I respect that. Thanks.

I always say there are two sides of the story and is quite probable that you are only seeing/knowing just one side but the most important details are only known by the couple in question.

Hi Anne, I don't know if you saw this thread but you may find the reading interesting: http://www.lds.net/forums/lds-gospel-discussion/36422-women-priesthood.html

Sounds like some people were expressing what they had ummmm.... in mind.

Jenna, there are exceptions. But seriously, I think they need to mature a little more.

Whether it's BYU or anywhere else, in or out the Church... 20 year old folks getting married? I hope they won't.

Really? No demand at BYU? lol

I understand why the words of the Mission President could upset some people. Having said that, I suppose being the way I am I would have just brush it off as the words of a person who is on a mission and is probably a little overly excited about the work. Elder Oaks said: I hope EVERY member knows that and they don't take on every little thing they hear from others because they may have the best intentions but doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

Or his counselors.

It's called youareinvitedtochurch.org

I don't know about you guys but when I see that, my teeth hurt...literally.

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRId2GTGZNocDSN2UOg8fedoloRjX3n_WxiaFQ_bxeLrwjvAGoLAQ

If it's true, the man sounds like a complete psycho.

A friend of mine posted a picture with a new hairstyle and one person commented: "Jessie looks so beautiful. Did not recognize her at first."

I know you said it's your last post but I am just curious. Did anyone say that in this thread? IMO, I don't think Ram was requiring or expecting anyone to "accept" his words, so accepting or rejecting what he said isn't even relevant to the point. He shared his opinion just like you did on this post.

Yes, thank you. WE, because unfortunately he wasn't the only one who spoke with limited understanding about the issue.

Apollyon, thanks for sharing your story. First of all, let me say that I don't think for a second you have failed in "such a terrible way" as you described. I think it would be very ignorant and stupid for anyone who doesn't know what is like to struggle with same sex attraction to think you have failed or judge you harshly because of it. Personally, I don't think it would be fair for any person (YOU particularly and your future wife) to marry under these conditions. Also the Church had discouraged "marriage" as a mean of trying to make someone "straight". I am not saying this is your case, but I believe marrying someone knowing you are gay is a false marriage (even if your wife to be knows about it) and will eventually cause a lot of pain and suffering. Why put yourself and her through all that? What about if children come into the picture? I understand why you wouldn't want to marry under these conditions, I actually think it's very selfless, caring and considerate of you to think this way and I'm hoping whatever Heavenly Father has in store for you can be something really amazing that can help you deal with all this.

Oh, that speech! People still talking about it. I agree with Ram in some of his points, at the same time I'm glad Mc Conkie was able to publicly state that he spoke with limited understanding (in the Priesthood ban issue). In this particular talk, he says: He is not here to tell us exactly what he meant by a "special and personal relationship with Christ" however, I fully understand how those words if taken literally, can cause a lot of controversy and disagreements. The timing of this talk (after a BYU professor published a book where pretty much encouraged others to build a special relationship with Christ) is also interesting. Mc Conkie was an Apostle yes but he was also a man and we should keep that in mind IMO.

Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon between a long list of early LDS leaders were masons. There was a time when Mormons had a hard time joining them but I really do not know how it is at the present time.