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Looks like @NeuroTypical is getting a new signature.

We also have a difficult time getting our women to admit to aging. Many are still "39". Mutton dressed as lamb indeed.

For what it's worth, Nibley's opinion on why Pharoah was of the wrong lineage was because he tried claiming a patriarchal priesthood through a matriarchal line. Also worth considering is that I understand the Book of Abraham was not used as an early source to justify the priesthood ban (obviously it was brought into play later).

Still haven't found it yet, but this seems to be closer:

Coltrin's recollections seems to be inaccurate. Based on Coltrin's 1879 recollection: Spring 1834: Joseph Smith says, "the spirit of the Lord saith the Negro has no right and cannot hold the Priesthood" Before April 1837 (when the presidency is restructured): Joseph Smith drops Elijah from the quorum of Seventy Sometime in Kirtland: Elijah receives the Kirtland endowment from Coltrin I would add to this timeline: 1836: Joseph Smith himself signed Elijah's ministerial licence affirming his priesthood office (suggesting that he either didn't know Elijah Able or didn't hold the same views Coltrin ascribed to him 2 years prior) 1839: Fellow quorum members in the Seventy accuse Elijah of teaching outside the orthodoxy in his mission. This suggests that the Seventy (and Elijah) were unaware that he had been released. Brothers Smoot and Marsh's statement can easily be chalked up to the wisdom of not infuriating the locals where they proselyted. Especially since that advice was given so close to Joseph signing Elijah's license.

Not quite what you're looking for, but this is from Spencer W. Kimball and the Revelation on Priesthood: The statement you're looking for may be in Gregory Prince's works.

First off, the image of sticks representing the records of Judah and Joseph is a secondary interpretation. As with the previous chapter where the assembled bones serve as a testimony of resurrection, the primary message is that Israel and Judah will be reunited. That said, the two sticks as records fits better than bones as resurrection because the Book of Mormon (as stated by Nephi) is a precursor and a facilitator of that reconciliation. Now, on the point of the reliability of reading the sticks as books, it turns out that the word “wood” is far more versatile than you give it credit for. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=26&article=1011&context=mi&type=additionalhttps://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=26&article=1011&context=mi&type=additional see the section on “What is an ‘Etz’?

Anathema

Fact: For every early Christmas carol, advertisement, posts, or decorations, a turkey dies. After decades of trying to change American culture, President Lincoln gave up on that tack and declared a national holiday for consuming turkey. And that's how Thanksgiving was invented.

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No one ever expects political fights!! Our chief weapon is anger… anger and fear… fear and anger… Our two weapons are anger and fear… and othering… Our THREE weapons are anger, fear, and othering… and division… Our FOUR… no, AMONGST our weapons… amongst our weaponry are such elements as anger, fear… I’ll come in again.

Time to bring back signatures.

One thing I appreciated about the first Trump term was actually seeing the checks and balances checking and balancing (now I understand why they used technical hockey terms). All of a sudden the powers that be realized “holy cow, the powers we’ve afforded ourselves could be a real nightmare if we had to let someone else have them!”* At the time I thought (and still do) that if Hillary had been elected she would not have gotten the pushback from congress that Trump did. It was nice seeing congress want to keep their intertwined powers and responsibilities for a change.** It does look like the Party has turned more in his favor, so I am concerned about that dynamic, but the those who oppose him seem to REALLY oppose him so I wonder how friendly the dynamic will be this term. * I also liked seeing my friends embrace conservative principles without realizing it. “Trump is going to cut a pet program, but that’s no reason why we can’t fund it ourselves!” Heh, that’s what we’ve been saying. ** I also liked seeing the Executive push back by reminding them of their responsibilities. “Why did we change the way we were handling things before? Well we reread the Act that authorizes us and realized it didn’t actually tell us to do it that way. We’ll gladly switch back, but we’re gonna need to create a formal, legal, paper trail saying that’s what you support.”

I thought astronomists already confirmed Venus is covered in hellfire.

For your consideration in dealing with the Lord’s anointed: David was appointed to replace King Saul; Saul’s jealousy of David’s popularity drove him to actively hunt David with the intent to kill him. Some run-ins are recorded in 1 Samuel 24 & 26. From the latter: President Eyring shares a modern adaptation of this scriptural story:

Deport politicians. THEY’RE TAKING OUR JERBS!!!!!!

The kids got it one Christmas on the gaming console. One of them asked to play on Sunday and I told him it wasn’t really a Sabbath activity. Since all children are lawyers, he asked if he could Minecraft on Sunday if he was making a temple. And that’s how my son and I built an 1890’s Salt Lake City temple in Minecraft.

Margaret Barker says this and other changes took place with the deuteronomist reforms under King Josiah. She has since been introduced to The Book of Mormon and she framed Lehi as a sort of retrenchment prophet against the redacted changes. She highlights a love of books based on prophets suddenly out of favor (“The Deuteronomists wrote the history of the kings in Jerusalem, compiling it from sources about ancient kings and heroes… [as opposed to] lost sources … [which] were all prophets—Samuel the Seer, Nathan the Prophet, Gad the Seer“), loss of plain and precious things (“The people of the Apocalypse of Weeks, however, considered that the people who rebuilt Jerusalem were apostates and they rewrote the histories”), a focus on the tree of life as a symbol of the mother of God (“in the time of Josiah, her tree, the Asherah, the Menorah, was finally removed from the temple … Why such hatred? Hostility to Wisdom was a hallmark of the Deuteronomists and due to their influence the Mother and her tree have been almost forgotten. Her son was the Lord.”), etc. Related to your post:

Ugh. All these rich people with all their tax loopholes….

Bruh, storm just got real.

It’s because they were all clapping instead of laughing isn’t it. ‘90’s kids were so mean…

You're crossing the bishop's ecclesiastical role with the youth leader role. Walk through this hypothetical with me. A young man tells his scout master, who also happens to be his pastor, that he needs to meet with him in order to earn his religious emblem. The scout master says, why don't you meet with me this Sunday before services. When Sunday arrives the young man meets one-on-one behind closed doors where the pastor determines if he's living the religion's moral standards. Will the pastor get removed from his scouting position? I dare say he won't. When bishops go on campouts or carpool to youth activities they follow the 2-deep rule. When they meet with the youth in an ecclesiastical role he follows the rules outlined here: More on that later. Again, mandatory reporters are defined by States. Especially if you're claiming scouting leaders will be charged for failure to comply. BSA can say what they will, but if the State doesn't require youth leaders to be mandatory reporters there will be no charges. If a church member fails to report an incident, I don't know what the consequence would be. You've escalated to a possible excommunication, but I would think a release would be more likely. Given that different States have different requirements and that the bishop knows the local members better than I do, perhaps that's why they have a legal line to call as well as counsellors. By the way, I've been looking through BSA's various pages and FAQ's on youth protection (a lot of them looked like this). I'm having a difficult time finding a standardized penalty for failure to report (or any penalty really). From what I can tell, the penalty for this (as well as the penalty for near-misses) is left up to the local Council. Yes... And as we look into it, I think you might need to re-read it because you're arguing against claims that aren't there. She's not extrapolating why 30% should be the correct number. She's going off of a number the BSA negotiated and got. Are you saying the number should be different? So is she! Are you saying that the 30% actually represents something else? Then what?! Actually she argues that background checks have limited utility. Please take a moment to recognize the difference before continuing. Background checks have huge holes in the backgrounds getting checked. They're good for weeding out the most egregious offenders (where egregious is defined as "caught and convicted", not as "did really bad stuff") but if you don't know about the blind spots it can fill an organization with false confidence. The Church doesn't have background checks like BSA, but it does have a system to help weed out serious baddies. Even NT concluded: One advantage of calling the helpline first is that the bishop would know if he's revealing privileged information. There's legal and social reasons for that confidentiality. Yes, it's difficult to know the rate of abuse in the Church of Jesus Christ if we base it solely on self-reporting and helpline data, but that's not what's happening here so I don't know why you're bringing it up. FairLDS provided their source: the P-files kept by the LA Times. Kosnoff also claims to use the same source. FairLDS tells us what their methodology is and how they got that number. Kosnoff (in that article at least) does not. Even if we assume Kosnoff's estimate is more accurate than FairLDS's, the Church is over-paying by 30-50%. FairLDS uses 95% of the files across the entire 80 years that they've been kept. I don't know where you're getting it from that they only used recent numbers. I agree that we would get a more accurate percentage if we compared against % representation of any given year, but as a ball park I think this at least shows that the actual amount is less than what the financial burden suggests. I haven't compared youth programs here, and if this is your main point then I encourage you to stick to it. I am only raising an objection to the provably false statement that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not use 2-deep leadership in its youth program. Don't repeat it and I'll return to my lawn.

This does not directly address the OP, but for the general issue of what should and shouldn’t be discussed about temple ordinances, I’ll provide the following snippets from section 27 of the handbook of instruction: And speaking of related sacred things, this is what section 38.5 of the Handbook has on the garment: There’s a brief segment here about what should and should not be shared, but I included more because I think it’s worth considering the Church’s own example in this matter.

Typing with my thumbs today so I won’t be providing references. If you want some be sure to ask and I’ll provide them when I get to a proper keyboard. <img src=“cat playing piano” /> Talmage The House of the Lord points out that the contains imagery of the history of our first parents, a panorama of the various dispensations, and a personal salvation epic all within the same narrative framework. I see the same thing with Lehi/Nephi’s accounts of the tree of life. Lehi takes from it a personal application of his immediate children. He also seems to see the scattering and gathering of Israel in it based on Laman and Lemuel’s questioning (I think Nephi makes some allusions to it, but then builds on it as he studies Isaiah). Nephi also sees a family story, but it extends down to the destruction of his descendants. And he sees a personal salvation narrative (I think he also builds on this later at the end of 2 Nephi). And he also sees a panorama that takes him through apostasies and restoration and all the way to the end of the world (John finishes this for him). in John’s vision the whore of Babylon sits on many waters, so the waters filthiness makes sense. Nephi also shares how the record of the Jews was pure when it came out of the mouth of the Jew but later was corrupted. This suggests a river that started clean but turned filthy. For the salvation narrative, there is a gulf dividing the righteous and the wicked. The depths of the filthy river are the depths of hell. Perhaps this suggests that the first step of rebellion is indeed a step to hell (in contrast to being lost from wandering in strange roads). In the life of Christ (oh yeah, he also see the life of Christ. This can be part of the panorama or part of the salvation narrative or its own category — make of it what you will). In the life of Christ water shows up again in the condescension of God: Jesus is baptized. Presumably his followers are baptized as they take the path to fall down at his feet and worship (tree imagery). Again, I am of the opinion that Nephi explicitly ties the action of Christ to the action of his followers in his sermon on baptism. For this the water would need to be clean. The scattering/gathering I think has more to do with an olive tree, and since this image and the explanation got cut Nephi (Lehi included it briefly in his explanation), and since I’m not seeing a water connection I’ll skip it here. Unless it’s also part of Nephi’s family story, in which case… In Nephi’s family story he sees that the Old World and the New World are separated by water and it gets traversed. I don’t see how filthiness or purity is involved in this, or how/when the river was crossed in the dream. I mention it because of the water connection. From this I gather there is pure water, and there is filthy water. The apostasy motif has me thinking there is a river that becomes corrupted, but I could entertain the idea that there is a second river (flash flood!?!) that is only filthy.