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I dunno. They still use candles and paper books and scrolls. Magical electricity and magic smart phones...??? Eh??
 
edit: I mean, seriously, just think how easy the Nicholas Flamel thing would have been with Google.

That video was awesome! Thanks.

Many have argued that one of the reasons for the poverty cycle is because of a culture of unwed mothers and broken families. It's generally fine for these fornicators to "go to hell on their own, free of interference. However, that freedom stops when they, deliberately or accidentally, cause harm to others" - such as birthing children that they cannot afford (especially when they cannot afford themselves), or carrying and spreading diseases which is now covered by a healthcare tax, or simply encouraging a culture that is unsustainable for these reasons. "At this point, I think, the government has a right and a duty to step in, and adjudicate the best way to resolve competing interests."
 
You have mentioned that your home is "all of Christianity", but Christianity, despite the premise of this thread, is not eradicating poverty. Christianity is Christ and Him Crucified. In all your seeking, I have heard you talk about finding a religion that carries this moral obligation that you've found as your pet issue, but only once have you talked about redemption or salvation (in one thread where you ask if salvation in the hereafter is more important that a temporal salvation in the here-and-now).
 
I think what you're really looking for is not a Christian religion. You are looking for a social, philanthropic organization who's issues (and methods) match yours. I think you would love for Christians to join you in this (but you haven't even found this organization for yourself, so join you in what exactly?), and so you play the Christian duty card. But Christian duty is defined by Christ and His duly appointed ministers.
 
My point is, that I get the impression that all of Christianity is not your home. Your home is the land of EradicatePoverty. This is not a bad place to live. But do not pretend that it is the land of Christianity.

Wilford Woodruff received angelic visitation directing him to perform temple work for the founding fathers and the dead presidents.
 
He also received a revelation that clarified that children should be sealed to their parents and not necessarily prophets or apostles.
 
Lorenzo Snow received a revelation from the mouth of the Savior to re-organize the First Presidency without delay. The 12 confirmed that it was the will of the Lord before he brought it up.
 
And for an example in the day-to-day affairs, I'll just leave this here:
 

Wilford Woodruff received angelic visitation directing him to perform temple work for the founding fathers and the dead presidents.
 
He also received a revelation that clarified that children should be sealed to their parents and not necessarily prophets or apostles.
 
Lorenzo Snow received a revelation from the mouth of the Savior to re-organize the First Presidency without delay. The 12 confirmed that it was the will of the Lord before he brought it up.
 
And for an example in the day-to-day affairs, I'll just leave this here:
 

Wilford Woodruff received angelic visitation directing him to perform temple work for the founding fathers and the dead presidents.
 
He also received a revelation that clarified that children should be sealed to their parents and not necessarily prophets or apostles.
 
Lorenzo Snow received a revelation from the mouth of the Savior to re-organize the First Presidency without delay. The 12 confirmed that it was the will of the Lord before he brought it up.
 
And for an example in the day-to-day affairs, I'll just leave this here:
 

You are correct.  I clarified that I was speaking to disposition, not politics, and got more posts about politics.  We do live in a politically-charged environment.  I was starting to think maybe I am just insane, and I made my "conservative" definition up--out of thin air, or too much Nyquil.
 
So, I went to our mutual friend, Merriam Webster, and found this:
 
3:  CONSERVATIVE a :  tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions :  traditional  b :  marked by moderation or caution <a conservative estimate>  c :  marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners
 
I also found the idea of being averse to change.  The word PRESERVATION was treated as a synonym.
 
 
So...as Master of the String, and Grand Original Poster, I declare, that thus far, LiterateParakeet wins the Most Relevent Post Award.
 
Of course, that's just today's standing.   

Many have argued that one of the reasons for the poverty cycle is because of a culture of unwed mothers and broken families. It's generally fine for these fornicators to "go to hell on their own, free of interference. However, that freedom stops when they, deliberately or accidentally, cause harm to others" - such as birthing children that they cannot afford (especially when they cannot afford themselves), or carrying and spreading diseases which is now covered by a healthcare tax, or simply encouraging a culture that is unsustainable for these reasons. "At this point, I think, the government has a right and a duty to step in, and adjudicate the best way to resolve competing interests."
 
You have mentioned that your home is "all of Christianity", but Christianity, despite the premise of this thread, is not eradicating poverty. Christianity is Christ and Him Crucified. In all your seeking, I have heard you talk about finding a religion that carries this moral obligation that you've found as your pet issue, but only once have you talked about redemption or salvation (in one thread where you ask if salvation in the hereafter is more important that a temporal salvation in the here-and-now).
 
I think what you're really looking for is not a Christian religion. You are looking for a social, philanthropic organization who's issues (and methods) match yours. I think you would love for Christians to join you in this (but you haven't even found this organization for yourself, so join you in what exactly?), and so you play the Christian duty card. But Christian duty is defined by Christ and His duly appointed ministers.
 
My point is, that I get the impression that all of Christianity is not your home. Your home is the land of EradicatePoverty. This is not a bad place to live. But do not pretend that it is the land of Christianity.

I have watched Sister Vort knit and crochet. I find it mesmerizing, certainly more interesting to watch than a simple three-ball juggle.
 
At some point, I am going to have my wife teach me to knit and crochet. I have wanted to learn it for years but have been too busy/lazy to learn.

This question is to everyone, not to anyone in particular who posted above.
 
So if you go to see the bishop about your crumbling marriage or about your child who is leaving the Church, you'd have no objection if he listened to you while he stuffed and sealed 250 envelopes with form-letter notices about some upcoming event?  

It's the non-breaking spaces that make the post.

I'm on the fence about whether it's ever truly possible, in mortality, to "overcome" an addiction as opposed to being perpetually "in recovery" from the addiction--but I'm reasonably confident (as a recovering addict myself) that if "overcoming" is possible at all, it would be uncommonly rare to get to that stage while still in high school.  Good on you, if it's truly happened; but I find that an attitude of "yeah, I did it, and it's in the past, and I've repented and it's not a problem anymore" tends to set one up for a relapse.
 
I'm not big on disclosing past sins if the sole basis for doing so is some warm-fuzzy, feel-good, "my life is an open book/my partner and I share everything" philosophy.  However, certain sins have practical implications for one's future life together with one's partner, and IMHO porn addiction is one of those sins.  It's not something that needs to be disclosed to every date or girlfriend; but once marriage becomes a serious possibility (which won't happen while you're still in high school) (right?), it needs to be discussed.

I wish I could remember my cars' license plate numbers. It's a small thing, and I really should invest a few minutes a day over the course of a couple of weeks to memorize them. How embarrassing.

You recently started a business. I don't know if you have any investors, but I'm sure you're aware that in any financial venture investors want to know what their money will be doing. I have heard you call for money from the wealthiest 225, but I haven't heard any plan for what this money will do except "end poverty once and for all". In the VC world, you've put the cart before the horse. You're trying to raise money before you have a product (or plan in this case). If you're struggling to come up with a plan you can review a few posts in this thread.
 
http://lds.net/forums/topic/56061-caring-for-the-poor-and-needy/?p=802479http://lds.net/forums/topic/56061-caring-for-the-poor-and-needy/?p=802487http://lds.net/forums/topic/56061-caring-for-the-poor-and-needy/?p=802588http://lds.net/forums/topic/56061-caring-for-the-poor-and-needy/?p=803370http://lds.net/forums/topic/56061-caring-for-the-poor-and-needy/?p=803496http://lds.net/forums/topic/56061-caring-for-the-poor-and-needy/?p=803913http://lds.net/forums/topic/56061-caring-for-the-poor-and-needy/?p=804100 
Feel free to ask followup questions to see exactly how these are or can be implemented.
 
 
For all you know, I may very well be the Sultan of Brunei (or even a Nigerian prince, but I can't access my wealth right now - I can explain it over pm). Will you really refuse my money for eradicating poverty if I only give because my expensive tax accountant tells me it's the best way to minimize my civil liabilities? I wouldn't think the motivation would matter, just that the right amount of money is getting redistributed. Is this really failing because the donor's intentions aren't pure enough?

No, actually, I don't get the idea. And I'm not being deliberately obtuse. I recognize the obvious tongue-in-cheek nature of your response, but I assume there is also some real feeling underlying it. But I don't understand it.
 
First of all, most young fathers sit with their families. Only a minority of such fathers sit on the stand.
 
Second, the appropriate reponse to an intractable and noisy child of any age is to TAKE HIM OUT OF THE MEETING. If that means the whole family must go, so be it.
 
Third, once the child is past about two years of age, appropriate (and kindly) discipline will be enough to insure that, within three months, 95% of such children will be making it through most sacrament meetings without any disruption.
 
So whether or not your example was in jest, I'm disinclined to believe the excuse that Mormon sacrament meetings are inherently noisy and irreverent because you just can't make them any other way. On the contrary, I know from personal experience that such an idea is untrue.

Many have argued that one of the reasons for the poverty cycle is because of a culture of unwed mothers and broken families. It's generally fine for these fornicators to "go to hell on their own, free of interference. However, that freedom stops when they, deliberately or accidentally, cause harm to others" - such as birthing children that they cannot afford (especially when they cannot afford themselves), or carrying and spreading diseases which is now covered by a healthcare tax, or simply encouraging a culture that is unsustainable for these reasons. "At this point, I think, the government has a right and a duty to step in, and adjudicate the best way to resolve competing interests."
 
You have mentioned that your home is "all of Christianity", but Christianity, despite the premise of this thread, is not eradicating poverty. Christianity is Christ and Him Crucified. In all your seeking, I have heard you talk about finding a religion that carries this moral obligation that you've found as your pet issue, but only once have you talked about redemption or salvation (in one thread where you ask if salvation in the hereafter is more important that a temporal salvation in the here-and-now).
 
I think what you're really looking for is not a Christian religion. You are looking for a social, philanthropic organization who's issues (and methods) match yours. I think you would love for Christians to join you in this (but you haven't even found this organization for yourself, so join you in what exactly?), and so you play the Christian duty card. But Christian duty is defined by Christ and His duly appointed ministers.
 
My point is, that I get the impression that all of Christianity is not your home. Your home is the land of EradicatePoverty. This is not a bad place to live. But do not pretend that it is the land of Christianity.

What's wrong with "discipline your children"?

I know. I'm sitting there in the pew thinking "oh thank heaven! Palerider won't be singing this one. He hasn't picked up the hymnal."
 
And then out comes THAT NOISE!
 
 
 
I'll send you the standard "ribbing Palerider" fee in the mail.

I'll just leave this right here. http://www.candyexperiments.com/p/experiments.html

In our home all sugar based season stuff is carefully and thankfully placed in the garbage.  My dear wife is type 1 diabetic and has spent years and tears getting over a pre diabetic sugar addiction and she watched her weight and indulged sparingly.  Besides weight and health problems - sugar will cause degraded brain functions and accelerated cellular aging - none of which I would wish on anyone.   In all honesty I cannot find a single intelligent reason to have a seasonal increase in sugar or sugar based products nor reason to encourage any degree of addiction by gift increases to others.
 
I realize many good people are offended by my efforts to honestly express my feelings.  Some of my LDS friends have found offense with my health concerns - much like an non-LDS friend was upset when I pored a $100+ gift of spirits down the drain and not re-gifting it to them.  Sorry friends - If this spoils your Christmas traditions - perhaps you are centered on things not needed to appreciate the purpose for which Jesus was born as the original or first Christmas gift to mankind.

Maybe I do. I can't think of any. I've noticed girls who twiddle with or chew on their hair, or people that play with a pencil or something like that. Is that what knitting is? Just mindless, slightly obsessive hand-play? I have noticed that autistic people will sometimes have some sort of motion or "tic" that seems to calm them and allow them to subdue their reactions to things, maybe even concentrate better. Is that along the same lines as knitting?
 
I am not trying to make fun of knitters (or of autism). I realize this is not an uncommon thing, and it strikes me as a part of the human condition. I expect it manifests in me, too. I'm just not sure where. I'm trying to understand the mindset. It seems as if there's an attitude of, "What a waste to sit here for an hour just listening to someone without actually DOING something useful. If only I had brought my knitting..." But the idea here is that the discourse itself is not important enough, or at least that there's no good reason not to knit while you're only going to be sitting listening to someone anyway.
 
If the Lord himself were speaking, would it be acceptable to knit while listening? If not, how is knitting at Church fundamentally different? Again, I'm not trying to be insulting or pick a fight. I'm trying to get a good handle on this issue. My questions are sincere.

I like a lot of what Anatess says . . . .
 
But I will be the grumpy old man :-). First off for the OP, I have a huge beef with sneakiness.  I implement very harsh discipline for a child who is sneaky behind my back, lies, etc. When I say no, it means no and the child best remember that. If I said no and the child does it anyways that is disobedient and disrespectful.  The when and where of how I implement that discipline is my choice, but they will be disciplined for directly disobeying.
 
That issues is about trust, the less you obey me the less trust I have in the child and consequently the less freedoms the child gets.  If the child obeys, the more trust I have and the more likely that I will give more freedoms.
 
2nd, there is no good reason why a child should have a smartphone. At best a dumbphone and if I allow them to use a cell phone, they will pay for it.  And most certainly not until they are at least in high school.  You want a phone, show me you can actually pay for it and earn it.  They will quickly learn that maybe texting isn't so important when they are paying 50+ a month for a cell phone and don't have money to do anything.
 
Too many evils can be done through a smartphone, especially if a child is sneaky . . . and every parent thinks, "my child would never to x". They can become addicted to the screen (if you've ever seen little kids watching TV you know this). There is sexting, bullying, etc, all for the comfort of being able to send out pictures and text whenever you want . . .sorry for a child the cons outweigh the pros.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Endangered-Minds-Children-Think-About/dp/0684856204
http://www.amazon.com/FAILURE-TO-CONNECT-Computers-Childrens/dp/0684855399
 
I think the social pressure aspect is blown out of proportion.  In fact, I think it's rather healthy for a child to have to tell their friends I don't chat, it will build a backbone so later in life they have the confidence to tell others no I don't do xyz.

I think you error in thinking (a very common political error) - is thinking poverty is caused by money or rather the lack of money.  Money is only a medium of exchange.  Poverty is caused when someone does not have anything of value to exchange for things needed.  Although money can be exchanged for things needed money cannot modify skills, abilities or value an individual gives to society.  Because of your failure to understand poverty as a value exchange deficiency you are not seeing the actual problem.  Thus you are attempting a one fix for all problems.
 
In my personal research and experience I have found at least 5 classes of poor.  Each class requires a very different approach to solving the problem - if the problem is even solvable.  For example one class of poor are what could be called addicts or substance abusers.  Time and time again it is been proven that increasing amounts of money to addicts and substance abusers that the problem is made worse - both for society as well as the individual.
 
Putting government in charge of determining substance abuse is a most difficult problem.  I do not know of a single example of the force of law altering the problem of substance abuse to change in any way poverty caused from such abuse.  China attempted to control drug addiction during the Opium wars (as known in the west or the 100 years of shame known in China).
 
And substance abuse is just one kind of poverty.  You have hinted at a second type of poverty - which is the hobo class of poor.  These are individuals that have skill to provide for themselves but for some reason to them, they have decided not to offer anything of value to society in exchange for their needed support.  They are also known as freeloaders.  We have learned by historical example that offering benefits without any incentive for giving back some benefit will only increase those willing to freeload.  You have already pointed out that governments fail miserably as well as yourself in determining those deserving of assistance.  In fact you have hinted that it may be un-Christian to even try to determine those deserving assistance.
 
Your problem in understanding poverty is like thinking all with health problem can be treated with the exact same remedy.  It is like someone going to the doctor for a broken leg  or while having a heart attack then given drugs for high blood sugar and told to exercise more. 
 
Some poor need education, some poor need health care and some poor just need an opportunity.  Your desire to not be actually involved in others specific needs; demanding governments alone deal with poverty so no individual has any real responsibility, to me is the pinnacle of  self righteousness and lack of Christian charity.  You pretend to care but do nothing yourself - demanding instead others take care of things you refuse to contribute anything to yourself.

I'll just leave this right here. http://www.candyexperiments.com/p/experiments.html

My wife will have a Yard sale or Garage sale once in awhile and she will have it on a day when I am gone. She says I gripe and complain too much. Lol!!