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beefche If I could get my hands on one I would bring it to church and see just how many come out to see it. I know my bishop would and most of the young men as they are into seeing that kind of stuff.

funkytown you forgot folks like me who like artillery peaces, so I guess it would be ok to bring a 155 howitzer to church but I would have to leave my glock at home. Wonder how many baddies would want to deal with my heat and if they can run fast enough to get out of the way. ha ha Wonder what the local Walmart would think of a pair of 50 caliber machine guns in the back of a truck or maybe bring them to church to see if the members felt safe or threatened. In case you don't realize the 50 caliber will go through any church building built with the right bullets. This is one of the reasons our snipers use them now as they have such a wide choice in ammunition they can use. When in the military I had the chance to use this weapon and it can be a real help when you need to get to the baddies on the other side of something and it does mess up there day. Again our church leaders have the right to allow or not allow firearms in church not the members as it is their responsibility to look out for our spiritual, mortal and even our progression or failure there of to the best of their abilities to help us move forward. Why are we debating the ruling of the church on this issue anyways? Yes it is fun to see what others think but either we follow the counsel of our church leaders or we don't and then if we decide we can pick and chose what we will follow then what kind of church do we have a church of free will or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? I know which I am following and why.

Here is my thought on the 12/21/12 it will be followed by 12/22/12 Why because I believe that we have not seen all the events that need to occur before the end. One of them being the church spreading to every nation and kindred tongue has not happened yet. The next thing is the 10 lost tribes need to return and if they return I have to believe we will have to have some time to get use to that little event. Last I think it was Christ himself that said no man will ever know the day I chose to return and isn't all this 12/21/12 stuff based on man? Oh well I do think things will change on 12/22/12 why because it is a new day, will things get better or worse I guess we will just have to wait and see. Pam as to becoming a speed limit well all I can say been there done that and looking at becoming the maximum legal speed limit one day. ha ha Heck if I am lucky one day I will be able to say I remember when we ........ you fill in what ever you want as I plan on living until I am 130, why? my answer is why not?

Confuzzled I have wondered for years what I was and now I know thanks to your reference and yep I am a sheepdog and proud of it one day it may cost me my life but you know someplace I remember the saying that goes something likes this you can do no better service than to be in the service of your fellow man. I have firearms and will use them to protect my family, my friends and for that matter anyone that I need to and if it costs me my life in doing so then so be it. As to packing in heat in church, I would first make sure my bishop was not against it as it is his turf and you are to respect your bishop as he is the one appointed to care for his flock. Second is to make sure that as few as possible know you are carrying, for me that would be hard as all my firearms will print( that means if you look you will most likely see there is something there) so it would be really hard for others who know me especially not to realize I had one with me. Do I think carrying firearms in church buildings in Utah is wrong, not my call it was handed down by church leaders who have the right to make the call and I only hope that LEO's are still allowed to carry in church. We have to realize we are subjects of our national laws and also the ruling or if you will decisions of our church leaders and if they say no firearms in church then that is their right. One day it is sad to say I do think we will seeing a lot more firearms in the public.

Some thing to keep in mind age doesn't relate to maturity and that is what you need a mature man and age is secondary. Next you will need a man that is ready for a real challenge in life as you already have 5 kids and the odds of you and a new man not having kids is very small unless there are medical reasons this can't happen, no you don't have to tell us. You need someone who first loves you, second loves kids and third someone who is like minded as you in how to raise all the kids that maybe or come into the family, you are willing to live your life with no matter the challenges life hands you and life has already handed you a few. Lastly you are young, seem to have a good attitude and just let things go there natural way go to dances, go to social events and if asked if you have kids be up front and tell them only answer the question don't go any farther. Example," Do you have kids? yes and that is the end, if they want to know how many make them ask, why because each question and each answer are either building blocks or deal breakers and besides most guys who are in your ward and single that attend the dances and socials will fill the new guy in on you quite well anyways. See they see you every Sunday, they know how you dress, how you dress the kids, how the kids act, how you act around them and most of all how you really feel about your situation. I am much older than you but I do have my little guys every other week and yes even I am watched how I act with my kids when I have them and it gets around quite well without me saying a word. Just so you know they all notice how much the kids like being with dad and how much dad likes being with them.

Suzie Yes there are kids two are really young and one is older and then there are some others that agree with mom that dad is a no good guy. Classylady I am glad things worked for you but for me I just don't have the courage to get involved with anyone any more and I hate being alone. Will it change in a few years, at my age a few years will be a deal closer if I am alone that long I will be to set in my ways and will not be able to allow some one in. As I said I am more mad at myself for letting them get to me and yes I know it is all show so the kids can see dad is a bad guy and also to reaffirm to the ex mother in law what a scumbag I am. Oh yea it was planned out well. Yes she did things and she filed for the divorce and was remarried 24 hours after the final divorce decree and it has screwed up the kids as to what a relationship really is. My little guys are scared for dad as they don't like me being alone and it upsets them a lot. They have asked me why I am not remarried like mommy, she did it right after the divorce and they knew the new guy for months before the divorce as mom used to go visit him and stay over, but you know nothing went on it was all platonic until the divorce was final. If you believe that one I have a lake to sell you in the Gobi desert. She found a new guy while we were still married, when I needed her love and support most she just washed her hands of me and went looking for someone new. Oh well just my luck to be one of the ones who needs to travel this life journey alone. I really don't know if I can ever trust a woman again in this life to be telling me the truth about caring about me, wanting to be with me, or even that I am a good guy. It is sad that someone we love so much can destroy us so well and not even care or realize what they have done to us. She feels nothing towards me; well nothing positive unless she wants or needs something from me, doesn't see where she did anything wrong and I am just a very bad person. Thanks again to all who have answered this thread you have given me some hope but the fear factor is just getting worse and

No just ticked I let them get to me that much and how it has left me feeling. You know we are our own worst enemies and I realize this and in time I will not care what they think. But I do wonder if I should ever force another to deal with this crap and all the issues it creates. I don't like how it leaves me and why would someone who has no real connection to the issues want to jump into this mess? the feelings will pass most likely but you know some times we do others kindness but not letting them into a bad situation that will maybe improve over the decades. Tell me would any of you want to jump into a mess that you have no control over, be treated like dirt, and realize if you say anything it could stress your relationship because the issue is so toxic. As to the counseling statement, nope don't feel like the victim more of the one who has no real rights and that is the real case courts see dads as the enemy even when they try not too it is just to ingrained in them from all the dead beat dads who cut and run in the past. I am just at the point of wondering why in any way would I allow someone else to come into my life and put up with what I am and feel good about that. I have friends that it far worse than I do and I wonder sometimes what it gains the one who does the belittling of another. I could have brought up many of the things she did to me but you know it would only have reduced me to her and her man's level and I am not going there no matter how much it hurts me to keep my mouth shut. It is also funny how she is still stuck in how terrible I am and how holy she is and yet she it the one who abandoned me, found a new man while still married to me and even carried on an affair while we were married and yet I am the dirt bag. HiJolly Please don't think I am attacking or blowing off your statement but sometimes you need to know of the story and no you will never know all the story but be careful making such quick judgment calls about what is posted. I said right from the first post I didn't care if anyone responded it did what it was intended and that was allow me to let out my frustrations with my situation that I can not change and it will go on for decades and I have to find my peace in this and also to accept that just maybe for me what I must learn is to live alone in this life. I blame no one if this is the way it turns out, none of us know until they happen what challenges we must face in this life it is what it does to us and how we deal with them that accounts for how good or bad we did in this life. I am looking for this to be a growing challenge it is just now it cuts a little deeper than I had expected and has left me wondering just how painful this phase of my life is going to be and what I will be like on the other side if I make it that far. Some of us will be consumed by the challenge and that is just how it works out. Do I want that to be what happens to me, not really one reason to post here. It is easier to be beat up, supported and yes put down by people who don't really know you then to allow people you know to do it sometimes, see you don't really care how what you say will help or hurt me and for the most part you shouldn't care as I opened the door for you to use me as a floor mat or a chance to be a listening ear and offer some good ideas. Later folks I thank all of your for your posts it has helped and even given me some ideas of how to look at this and as to it one day being in the past yep it will be and by then if I still am alone it will be the way I end life as once you have gone for so many years there just is no way to change. That is not where I would like to end but like I said we all have challenges in this life and this could be mine, accepting that I am to be alone for the rest of my life and how much I hate being alone.

Spartan thanks, but you do realize that many will never remarry or marry period because of issues like this in this life don't you? There is nothing that says we will all enjoy the love of another person in this life and many of us will never be able to accept that anyone would want to share our challenges in this life. Skippy Yep so will be an issue for decades maybe life, It is kind of funny and kind of sad to think about how much they enjoyed attacking me and even how they felt justified in doing so. Guess I am just the dirt bag they think I am and have to get used to that. Oh well life is full of challenges and we all get what we are needed to test us now if I can only figure out why being alone which I hate more than being shot at is a challenge I need to learn? We are taught we will never be given a challenge we can't deal with but I can tell you some cut deeper than others and in doing so the scar left is much harder to accept. Do I blame them nope, hold hard feelings toward them nope, just not in me anymore to feel negative towards anyone but me as I am the only one I can control sort of anyways. Sometimes we have to accept the hard choice that some things are better left to us and us alone no matter what that means to us as a person.

No I don't expect any real answers more just needed to get this off my mind and let it go. The ex and her new man and I had a real issue yesterday and I walked away beaten up and thinking I can never bring another person into my world and expect them to deal with this mess and not have it destroy a new relationship for me. So I am thinking that it is far better for me to remain single and that way save some one new in my life having to put up with the stuff I am. I am not perfect and I know this but after yesterday I really don't want a new love to ever deal with the stuff I am dealing with and just wonder how to accept being alone for the rest of my life and not feel really alone? No needs to answer this post as I said it was just something I needed to let go of and now I can well sort of as looking ahead to decades of being alone is not a fun thing but at least I will be able to do and go where I want when I want. The one question I would love to ask them but know how they would answer already is," what is worse to kill someone or to kill their desire to find someone new" sort of like which is worse to kill the body or to kill the soul of another but not really if you know what I am even getting at here.

If I were married which I am not right now and my wife said to me what you have told us I would respect her for knowing that now is not the time for her to hold a temple recommend. I would also be supportive of her calling in the church as it just might be the end of the rope she is hanging onto at the moment. If you can talk as calm people about her feelings and don't judge her for anything she might say in time she just might let you in to her world of wondering and if she does and you can in a very loving kind supportive way help her to understand these things with no thought of whether they will bring her back or just keep her where she is then you just might one day see her get her temple recommend again. It is far more important right now she feel loved by you, supported by you for her decision and also to be patient with her as she struggles through whatever it is that has her questioning her beliefs. You are a team and when one member of the team needs help, support and love the other gives it with no thoughts of what will or will not happen because of these actions. You might also want to pray for her in private and in your nightly prayers together not so much that she get her temple recommend but more that she knows that you love her, support her and want her to be happy and also that she feels safe with you in her life. Women are strange individuals things that a man would have no problem with can be big mountains for a women and on the flip side of the coin a man can see an issue as being the worst thing that could happen in a marriage and the woman can sit back and laugh at it as she has already found a solution and can move on with life. Let her know you respect her decision and let it go and be all you can be to her, your family and your callings in church and get your temple recommend and attend with her approval when you go. If she asks you something about your time at the temple use it as a teaching experience with no judgement being made or given or implied. We all have to explain our lives one day to God you can't do it for her nor she for you only each one of us can account for our actions and what we did and how we corrected them if we could.

What if she had confessed to you she had been raped in the past and how much it had hurt her and how hard it was to even think of being that close to you, but that she loved you enough to put that experience in the past. Could you? would you understand how hard it was for her to admit it to you, to deal with how you might react and most of all would you still want her after knowing this about her past? Not one of us in this life has not sinned period. What is important is what we do about the sin and that we never return to it. Now from what you have said she is doing everything she can to correct the situation and now it is up to you to prayerfully find the answer that is right for you concerning this relationship. None of us here can tell you what you should or should not do in this matter as it is you and only you that has to live with your decision and your girl friend. We can give you ideas but the bottom line is you and your girl friend and God have to come to a decision that you both can accept. You will always know that she had someone before you but that would be true if she was divorced also, she didn't pick you first but again same with a divorced person, and lastly what is more important the person you see today or the person she or you were in the past? What I am getting at here is yes she did something wrong, is paying for it and working on fixing it as best she can but can you accept that she has done all she could to fix the issue, are you mature enough to see past the mistake and see the person that is in your life now and wants to be with you enough to tell you of this event when she was really under no obligation to tell you ever? Here is what I would do if it were me, talk to my lady about my feelings, pray about the issue and seek pre-marriage counseling so that you start off on the right foot. Find a good counselor that you both like as you are going to discuss some sensitive issues in marriage and need the right counselor to help you both through this challenge in your lives. It is far better to deal with it before marriage and it gets distorted way out of proportion after marriage and ends in a divorce neither of you wanted but just can't find that common ground to continue being married. Just a little about me I am recently divorced because a life issue with me came to a head and I finally went and found someone who could help me. What happened was my wife at the time just gave up on me and went and found a new man while still married to me. You see when I needed her most she just washed her hands and feelings of me and was able to find a new love and was remarried 24 hours after our divorce was final. Did it leaves scars for me yes, has it hurt me in finding a new relationship?, yes and will I marry again? I really don't know as marriage doesn't scare me but divorce has me climbing the walls as I never want to enjoy that mess again ever and would rather be alone and lonely then to ever go through another divorce. So now you know why I say to get this issue taken care of before marriage as it is so much less painful than later

1. store laundry detergent, soap, deodorant, bleach, dish soap that will last for two years. Forget the rest your life is going to change period 2. what are you going to do if there is no municipal water, heat, electricity, fuel, transportation? 3.dog food like many foods store for a year dry or canned. Go online and do a google search for dog medications, may even find a book on how to use them 4 learn to make bread by hand, learn how to do most cooking like they did in the 1890’2-1940’s there are good books out there on this 5 Get you boyfriend to let you use his and learn which you like and can use and which are just not for you, learn how to make your own and see if is something you would like to do, get a shotgun works or both hunting and protection, think maybe a 20 guage. Also develop the mind set that you can stop the clock of a baddie either human or animal if you need to if you can not do this then don’t get a gun would work more against you than for you. 6 Canning supplies get what you will need based on what you will each and the others you are putting it up for will eat. Get a good canning book, Ball Canning guide is a good one and you can determine how many of what size jars you need, how are you going to heat the canner to do the canning, get two years supply of canning supplies, lids, spices etc. 7 If yo have to leave where will you go, how will you get your stuff out, will the other tenants be pleased you have food and they don’t, people turn real mean when hungry and they have no way to get food. 8 what kinds of disasters do you have to worry about, where I am I have flooding, snow, drought, tornadoes, earth quakes, municipal water shortage, electrical, police fire and I am sure I am missing some but you get the idea. Where will you go if your are forced out of your apartment? How much can you get out in a short period of time think minutes maybe? I am starting all over after a divorce that left me with some things but lacking in many more like a way to heat where I live, cook and light it if there is no municipal source? Just some things to think about there is way more but this is a start

All right you want general then pick which antiseptic will have long term storage.

This is a very hard question to deal with first what medications are you or your family taking on a regular basis, what is the shelf life of these medications. Second what medications for what purpose are you thinking of, are you thinking of nuclear war, conventional war, natural disaster, what I ask this because each would change what you would want in your home medication store house. Third many of the current used medicines have shelf lives that are much shorter than older medications and the other really big issue is can you get them without a prescription?

Vort I like the new avatar reminds me of me when the ex comes up with something new she would like done.

Heck you want crazy my ex and my divorce was final and the next day she got married. That to me is very weird and strange and can it last only time will answer that one.

Rumor has the Meridian temple is tied up in the completion of the new intersection at ten mile if you are wondering where it might be according to rumor.

Many decades ago I too drank for the plain and simple fact I liked the taste of alcohol and yes I have been sober for many decades. What did it take for me to quit, my doctor daring me to quit because I was heading towards death of my liver and in case you don't know you don't do well without a functioning liver. I would like to say it was and easy thing to do, but it was not it took a major effort on my part and in the end I finally started feeling better and that gave me the desire to keep going. Now I have a hard time being around alcohol as it plain stinks to me. With any addiction if the desire to walk away from it isn't there then you will not quit and nothing anyone does, says or doesn't say is going to get you to stop. You have to want to stop and when that happens you will stop, not saying it will be easy but that and only that will give you to desire and strength to quit.

The sad thing is if you and your wife are married for say ten years and then get a divorce if she has a good lawyer they can dispute everything in the prenup to the point it is useless. As to getting a better shake if you are the guy you are going to pay for the kids based on the judge or state's rules for child support, you are a nothing in this area. I know of too many guys who are homeless because of what the court said they had to pay the ex in child support.

backroads when you said, "My SiL grew up in an extremely conservative household with a mother that has told her that sex is wrong. " you answered all of the questions with the problem and it needs to be handled by a qualified counselor with the couple because it is a couple issue. Your brother stopping his attendance at church is going down the wrong road for the marriage.

First there is nothing you can do before marriage that will protect you from a divorce. Second any marriage can fail for so many different reasons, some good some just plain stupid, so how do you prepare anyone for this? third if two people fall out of love, just don't want to be together anymore or even if one of the partners decides they can do better with someone else the courts will make it real easy for them to get rid of you. Fourth in the church or not divorce is seen as the cure for all the problems in the current marriage, what the courts forget is that life is going to challenge the couple no matter who you are married too. Fifth any marriage can succeed or fail based on how hard the couple work on it, notice I said couple if one decides they want someone new then it is over period. Sixth and last if you want a marriage to work marry someone who is close to you in almost all areas of life, doesn't have to have the same view of the interests just that they understand the interest and don't see it as a threat to the relationship. Having just gone through a almost a year of divorce court I can tell you some things are just going to go the favor of the woman and the man is seen as dirt, having said that you can as a guy get what you mainly want if you fight hard enough and can convince the Judge that it is in the best interest of the children. Notice I said children as you can do little to make life hard for the woman as the court is going to make sure she is able to live like she did when married to you. She will also take this into the new marriage and they will live better than you maybe but that is just the way it is now in divorce court.

What a great story and congratulations

the only thing I can figure is that they have had enough of kids in their lives and just want to travel and enjoy life. I am just glad they told me upfront that kids were not going to be any part of the relationship. I don't judge folks as we all have wants, desires and what we will and will not accept in a relationship. Could be that having kids around until you are in your late 70's or early 80's just doesn't fit into their view of life. Could be they don't like kids, had a bad relationship that dealt with kids Could be they just didn't like me and the kids issue was a good way to turn me off Doesn't really matter as I have already decided the kids stay in my life until they choose to leave. One of my kids is having issues in the new home setup with the ex and her new husband so I don't get to see her but can talk to her sometimes on the phone and I agree with the ex and new guy she needs to get with program at the new house. She is blind which doesn't help but she is going to be there 98% of the time and she needs to follow the rules of the house. The kids are upset enough without making things harder on them and it doesn't help to be the stinker in the deal so I support the ex as much as I can.

Mistie I am in my 60's divorced and get to see some of my kids every other week. My youngest kids are 4 and 5 years old. I have found so many women think at my age I should walk away from my kids so we can have a life. I understand that there is a point in your life you would not want little kids around, but for me they are the greatest thing that has happened in my life. I will not deal them out of my life and some day i will find someone who has the guts to want to be a part of our life and if not then so be it. I have a friend who lives in China and there yes you would be "damaged goods", Chinese men don't like women who have been married, if you have kids it is even worse for you as no Chinese man (typical I have to add as there might be a few who would not mind) would even go out on date with you. They want new and unused women so there are thousands of Chinese divorced women looking for partners all over the world who don't think being divorced is bad or that having kids is bad. What I am saying here is that you bring a lot to a marriage both good and bad. So don't get hung up on the " damaged goods" thing as this is supposed to be a family church and you have the family and there is some guy out there that is just dying to have a large family and all its challenges. My ex is married to her new guy and they now have 10 kids in the house. Five are mine and 5 are his so it does happen. best of luck It is old guys like me that have little kids in there lives that have the real challenge. I didn't even think about it until I ended up divorced and yes it seems that to few women that are in my age range are done with kids unless they are grand kids. So I will look to enjoy my kids and just maybe find someone who can accept that life hands us challenges and we have to either enjoy the journey or hate the trip. Me I wish I had my little guys in my life everyday and if no wants us so what. I love them with all my heart and if I am to find someone heavenly father has already taken care of it and it just me finding them or them finding me.