EarlJibbs
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In my ward outside Houston we have 3 pairs of Sister Missionaries. 2 English and 1 Spanish. Our boundaries are about a 45 minute drive from one end to the other though. We probably have a baptism or two a month, sometimes once a week. Come Sunday it seems there are missionaries all over the place :). It's funny to see them all walk in a row down the hall (we have a small chapel) when they have somewhere specific to be. 6 missionaries in a hurry in a crowded small church.
Back in Utah, even with a small ward boundaries we had our own missionaries. I think the church was trying something new out to really get the ward members involved. We also had older couple missionaries called from the ward, also something new back then as well as the Mission President being called from the local mission area.
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It's never easy, especially when they were people you looked up to. I have to remind myself that the way I remember them wasn't fake, they weren't just pretending to love the gospel or to feel the spirit. The lessons I learned from them were still inspired and changed my life. No matter how much they bag on the church now, it doesn't change the fact that at one point, they were a power for good. But it doesn't make what they are doing any less hurtful, especially since I knew them during better times.
I am sorry Anatess.
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Ha!!! I only have a class B Man Card since I prefer chicken or pork over steak, every time. My man card was revoked completely at one point years ago due to me reading the entire series of Twilight. It was reinstated after purchasing a house with an oil pit where I changed my own oil until I moved again.
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Please read more carefully.
1) I said, "In a sense".
2) I said he looks over a weekly list.
Yes, the individual letters are stamped. But the call is not just a letter. It is this process that I was referring to.
In case there is any doubt about the divine nature of callings:
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2010/04/the-divine-call-of-a-missionary?lang=eng
That is the exact talk I was thinking about while reading the comments. And think about it, there are surely many more missionaries to be approved and called a week than Bishops or Stake Presidents.
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Welcome!
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Very well clarified.
Many people should feel embarrassed about this entire thing. Not for the lack of understanding, but for taking to social media to publicly declare their frustrations and anger for not understanding immediately upon hearing from sources that have ulterior motives. I was reminded last night while reading in 1st Nephi that Nephi wanted to understand the mysteries of God as his father (a Prophet) did. Instead of whining and complaining to everyone about it (as we do to social media) Like Laman and Lemuel, he prayed to God and was visited and learned for himself. We see this pattern in the BOM many times, if you have questions and concerns go to the Lord, seek to be reassured by the Holy Ghost, do not trust in the understanding of men, uninspired men and women will surely lead astray.
I have a feeling that this is what will separate the faithful from the unfaithful more and more. I was warned by my Bishop years ago, as he was warned by the brethren that a storm was coming and I needed to make sure my testimony was strong and that my family was as strong to weather the storm. Those warnings have been ringing true ever since.
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Welcome, and I like your name. Moved to Texas from Utah over 2 years ago.
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I would imagine it more like this, "Dear Brother Smith, your name was recently submitted as a candidate for Bishop in the Cookie Cutter Ward by President Grant. We congratulate you on your worthiness to be submitted for consideration for this Holy calling, however we feel inspired not to call you to this position at this time. We pray that you will support the new Bishop in your ward with full fellowship and continue faithful in your duties. Sincerely, The First Presidency."
Your other question is a whole new topic.
I don't think the letter suggestion you outlined answers many questions though. Why weren't they inspired though? Were they inspired not to call you because you weren't worthy? Righteous enough? If we believe that they were inspired by the Holy Ghost as is expected, the question and the answer should probably come from the Lord, asked by you. I am not sure how a letter such as this would help anyone feel comforted in not being called. And perhaps if you knew they did feel inspired not to call you and you prayed about it, you may just get the same confirmation by the Holy Ghost that it wasn't to be.
Me personally, I don't even want to know all of the positions I have been considered for. I have a feeling that there may be many people out there that would feel rejected if they knew. We look at the current climate of some members and the social attitude we have about everything. I can imagine the uproar when someone goes to the web about why they weren't called as Bishop. There are those that would welcome it, but many that would not I suppose.
I understand that your main question was with callings such as SP and Bishops, I wonder if callings up the ladder (so to speak) are even more personal. I mean, what if you are called to be a Seventy? Or one of the Twelve?
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We have example in scripture – when David was selected to be king of Israel. One may think that each of his brothers were rejected but that is not really the case – the brothers that were submitted were not rejected – the truth was that it was David that was selected and the other that were submitted were not the one that G-d had selected. The brothers of David were no more unworthy and rejected than were all the other individuals in Israel – It was just part of the process to get to the one G-d had selected – not those selected by men.
I agree. Not selected isn't the same as rejected. And not being selected isn't the same as not being worthy.
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I don't think these were all "anti-mormon" things that happened, or crimes that were directed at the church because of hate. I suppose anything against the church could be "anti"
I know personally that this one...
13 May 2013
Three teens were arrested for torching a LDS chapel in Magna, Utah. Damage has been estimated at $500,000. No motives were given for the arson.
... was three teens bored one night and made a decision to break into the church. Then after in it, their stupidity grew and decided to light a fire. One was a member of the ward, my ward. An otherwise soft spoken good kid that had a crappy life. Everyone was hurt and shocked, but no one thought it was anti anything.
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So I went to a multi stake meeting last night with ward councils where the mission president, his wife and two members of the 70 came and spoke to us.
You know when you are up in front of a crowd sitting or speaking, although you may not make eye contact with people, you have a general direction you look but not focus on? Well I found myself sitting in the direction that the mission presidents wife (while she wasn't speaking) was looking as her "go to" spot staring into the crowd. I know she wasn't looking at me, but the entire time I had this nagging feeling that she was! Haha! I was trapped in the stare zone!
Has anyone else run into this? Once you notice it, your mind doesn't let go. Just stop looking at me! hehe.
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I don't watch R rated movies. I am sure there are ones that are amazing and I admit that when I see an awesome trailer I often think "please don't be R, please don't be R!" But it is something that my wife and I decided on when we first got married is that we would at least make a standard we wouldn't cross, for us only and wouldn't judge anyone else. We often pass up most, if not all PG 13 movies. I will stick with fantasy or science fiction. I almost completely stay away from comedies as they seem to get away with a lot more crude behavior than a violent film gets away with gore. Same for TV.
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The article states that the teacher is a Christian, so I doubt that the motives were intentional. Living near Katy, and knowing how much Christianity still resides in Houston and the surrounding cities (schools), this is blown out of proportion. Ill conceived, but not outrageous.
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Let me take your questions in order.
"But does he know the future?" Well, I figured this to be self-evident, but I guess you don't know the answer to your own question. The answer is, "No."
"Why?" This question goes back to one of several problems with the LDS: the "all is well in Zion" syndrome. I've heard in church more times than I can count that we don't need to know the signs of the times. That is not only wrong, but stupid. I read a conference report that related a study about food storage from the University of Utah. Only 5% of LDS had one year worth of grain and less than 3% had meat, vegetables, etc. Those who don't have food storage fall into one of two categories: 1. sincerely cannot afford it, which would be very few LDS. 2. All is well in Zion crowd. That's the crowd that will get cleansed and I don't want to be part of that group. Studying the signs of the times will let me know what is coming as each sign presents itself.
"Including the devil?" As I stated, the Devil tells the truth when it suits his purposes, always to deceive. However, Brigham Young told us to "study...evil and its consequences." As for taking the Devil's word for anything, nope, I don't go there.
I find your post is not sitting well with me.
In response to the two items I have highlighted in black. "1. sincerely cannot afford it, which would be very few LDS" - "Very few" LDS cannot afford food storage? As is almost all can? Where are you getting your information from? I would suspect that there are quite a few that cannot afford it, or at least think they cannot and lack the skill or know how to save food. Perhaps the planning and care that goes with slowly building up your food storage is difficult for many beyond yourself. I think there are many many more categories than just two. You are saying that either you are very small percentage that actually cannot afford it and if you are not, you must be a sinner.
"That's the crowd that will get cleansed and I don't want to be part of that group" By cleansed you mean die, correct? I have doubt in this. Please show me where your conclusion is coming from. If I am "cleansed" of all things, for this, I think that I would be leading a pretty good life. This isn't an "all is good in Zion" approach and I doubt that I will be wiped off the face of the planet along with my family if we didn't have a year food storage.
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A few years ago my wife was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. Initially we were told that there was no need for a lifestyle change, if that whatever she ate was properly compensated with insulin. This was a half truth that has turned out to be more false than true. In essence she has been forced to change her life style for her health sake - especially diet or live a lifestyle of obesity (meaning the accumulation body fat that causes serious health risks). Processed foods like pizza, spaghetti are out of the question for her - as well as anything made with sugar (especially corn syrup) and white flower.
Our diet now is fresh fruits and veggies with mostly fish, chicken and turkey protein prepared without oils - definitely frying with oils is out of the question. We now have no traditional dishes for the holidays. We are in the processes of discovering and making new healthy traditions - for the sake of my beloved. Though I could maintain my traditions - we are partners and will do what is necessary and best for her - Mostly I miss breads and potatoes - but I would miss her much more.
My wife has also drastically changed her eating habits and is not going to go back. No sugars, no flour while measuring all food. While we do share portions of our meals, like chicken and fish, we basically have two meals. One for myself and the kids, and the other for her. Although this is a bit of a hassle, it has worked so far. In the future I could see us all joining her. While I have cut out sugar, caffeine, soda completely (sugar wasn't hard for me), my love for bread is just below God, Wife, Family and Country. I have cut down drastically, but I still have a roll or sandwich every once in a while (about once a week).
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Spam musubi and seaweed tamagoyaki (egg thing kinda like an omelette) is what my kids request a lot.
For parties or dinner guests tho, the staple is eggroll, pansit bihon, chop suey, and chicken or pork on a stick.
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Probably stew or spaghetti.
I can't tell you the last time I had stew. What kind do you make?
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What is the one dish (food) that you make regularly in your family and that your family enjoys? Some countries may have a national dish, some areas may have a local dish. What is your families?
If you were invited to eat at The Jibbs house, you would most likely be served Salmon tacos with small freshly made flour tortillas (still store bought but made fresh). Topped with fresh veggies, cheese of your choice, sauce of your choice (EG lemon, hot...). House favorite!
Another one is breakfast for dinner. Usually once a week with eggs, pancakes, toast etc.
Now, what would I eat if I visited your place of residence for dinner?
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In no way should what I say be considered condoning your actions, however, we are human beigns and subject to fault. You are being too hard on yourself. You have recognized your sin. You have turned away (I assume). You confessed, to a resonable degree, to your husband, which I believe is as far as it needs to go.
My recommendation is you continue on the repentance process you started and that means turning away from and not repeating the sin. Then forgive yourself. You are tearing yourself apart and the repentance process is meant to free you, not bind you. I'm not saying it is easy or short, but there is a path and I think you are well on your way.
I disagree with those that say go to the bishop or confess further, at least I don't agree with it being the first step in repentance. I think more reflection and perspective is needed. You are in the heat of it right now. Step back a bit and let time heal a little. Only you know the degree of your sin. Not every sin needs to go to the bishop. And not every lie needs to be uncovered in a marriage.
First, I don't know why she shouldn't be hard on herself. It should be difficult or it's not repenting in my opinion. She shouldn't degrade herself for sure, she has much worth, and always will.
Does the Bishop know what the whole truth is or does he also think that it was also just kissing? Everything needs to be put on the table. The cats out of the bag in the relationship, but the OP has only showed half of the cat. Part of healing is understanding what happened. She needs to be open about this.
If I found out that my wife "only kissed" another guy, then I forgave her or was in the process of forgiving her and then found out later that she didn't tell me "the whole truth" I would be devastated. How do you trust someone like that? This isn't like confessing to your spouse that you secretly cuss a little at work. This is, in the least, breaking vows you made and committing adultery and at the most, breaking temple covenants if they were sealed. Whatever the whole truth is, we know that it was more than kissing (whatever that means). Keeping a marriage together based on lies or not telling the whole truth is a farce that will ultimately crumble. She will always have that at the back of her mind. Bringing up more of this to her spouse later on after some healing has occurred will surely only rip the old wound open with a vengeance, maybe even cut deeper.
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Come clean now with your husband. He must know so that you can start to heal and so that he can make decisions. What a punch in the gut if things start going better and then you tell him that you weren't honest. I feel this is the worst you can do, is prolong the truth.
Put forth all of your efforts to save your marriage, but in the end he will need to decide if he will participate in that, just as you will need to decide to now. Be honest with him, yourself and your bishop. Best wishes.
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I don't trust the family court system because I know how it works. I don't trust her religion because I came to read what advice her religion gives and I found that you are pro-divorce. I trust her enough to be in a committed relationship with her. And none of you even bothered to answer my questions. I've been through the blame shifting to the man routine before, years ago, when I went through my divorce. Standard on every forum.
Can I get married to her without a state contract if I were to join the LDS religion?
I will present this stuff to her and she can make her own decisions.
I think you can learn something of the LDS church on this forum. But by no means would I take anything said as an "opinion" here officially from "her religion" as you put it.
Please read this, from the Chuch's web site, entitled "The Family: A Proclamation To The World. This IS official. https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation?lang=eng and it will show you what we think of marriage and families.
What should you do? As a whole, we are serious about our commitments, which you are not ready to give to your girlfriend. Don't blame this on her religion. Blame this on your previous experiences and you personally.
Lastly, you really don't know what happened in your friends lives. You weren't there. It doesn't matter how much you trust them. They easily could have been abusive. I caught one of my family committing adultery, with my own eyes mind you. He denied it outright and refused to admit it for almost a year while he continued to do it. In the end he was excommunicated from the LDS religion when he finally admitted to it. Still, his wife did not divorce him. She certainly considered it and was about to, but divorce is usually the last option considered AND advised of within the church. They are still together nearly 5 years later.
I take no offense to your words but I say this, you are incorrect sir in your opinion of the members as a whole as it doesn't fall in line with our principles and our doctrine. If you understood what a temple ceremony represented, which is a bond for eternity, you certainly wouldn't make these claims about the members as an entirety.
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Welcome to your first post!
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