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    Conference Talks

    I posted this in another thread but felt it fit here as well. Please forgive me for a double post. Presidents Oaks talk was loaded with knowledge and direction for these last days. From political affiliation (or the lack of it), being willing to change our political positions as needed, don’t follow a single political leader, and members can vote in different ways at different times and still be faithful Saints.  Most of all no politics at church and make the gospel teachings the center of life, not politics. If my Facebook feed and Deseret News comment section over the last few years is any indication, this talk just hit a lot of nerves.
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    Boring General Conference

    President Nelson, Do all you can to bring Covid numbers down in your area so temples can reopen. I think the debate on where the church stands on the severity of COVID, mask wearing, vaccines, etc has gotten pretty clear. How about that moving list of more temples? What a way to end conference. All I could think of was, “We thank thee oh God for a Prophet to guide us in these later days.”
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    Boring General Conference

    Presidents Oaks talk was loaded with knowledge and direction for these last days. From political affiliation (or the lack of it), being willing to change our political positions as needed, don’t follow a single political leader, and members can vote in different ways at different times and still be faithful Saints. Most of all no politics at church and make the gospel teachings the center of life, not politics. If my Facebook feed and Deseret News comment section over the last few years is any indication, this talk just hit a lot of nerves.
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    Already

    Even the crazy Washington Times retracted their article that Antifa was in the crowd. Many of the photos taken are of well know trumpers/right wing extremist. It is what it is. What makes this more shocking, in my opinion, is this was a direct assault on one of our 3 constitutional branches of government. No different than a mob storming the White House or Supreme Court. This is very different than a Target store being looted. Hopefully people on both sides have learned, over the last year or so, that protests are fine violence is not.
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    Already

    That time has already come.
  6. Just out of curiosity. Are their stakes or wards going back to virtual only meeting in Utah or Idaho as COVID cases rise rapidly?
  7. It appears that some local leaders are unfortunately making decisions based on personal political viewpoints. (I have seen that before.) I think this is on full display as the Area Authority in Utah asked members to wear a mask for the love of others. Yet so many members have ignored that request. Putting politics over religious guidance. I am sure some of this is unfortunately taking place with some local leaders. But, the gospel is true even if man/woman is fallible. I find it interesting that many are talking about how we are in the final days and signs of the time. But we get a sign with a worldwide pandemic and they say it can’t be real. It fake.
  8. Our Stake started going back in June. (In one of the highest outbreaks and death rate States in the US.) Our ward met every week. They require mask but the Stake leadership even had everyone singing. Fast Forward to September. We received a new Stake Presidency and they immediately took all wards back to meeting 2 times a month, no singing and reduced the number allowed by about 30%. The area authority that attended the creation of the new Stake and Stake presidency had some interesting comments. One was we needed to get use to wearing mask, it was going to be a while before that need goes away. Second he asked members who were not attending church because they didn’t want to wear a mask, to reconsider their decision. Finally our previous Stake president had played pretty lose with the virus issues. He even had his mask off at times while sitting on the stand with the Area Authority. He quietly put his mask back on once the area authority made his comments above.
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    The 7th Seal

    I know this thread is a little old but I did want to respond to this comment about the Hyde Park building. The church not only owns the building but the land it is on. There is no need for a ‘lease’. This would also mean that President Hinckley has no reason to be asked or to respond to a supposed question about the Hyde Park building, 2038 or its relationship to the Saviors second coming. “The Church bought the land for the Hyde Park building when not a single member lived within a seven-mile radius; the site had remained empty since being bombed in World War II.“ Source: Hyde Park building in London to be beacon of light, hope, truth to all the world - Church News July 13, 2012.
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    Mark of the Beast??

    Some LDS thought on Revelation 13:16–17. The Mark of the Beast “In contrast to the righteous, who keep their covenants with God and receive His protecting seal on their foreheads (see Revelation 7:2–3; 14:1; 22:4; the commentary for Revelation 7:3; 9:4), the wicked who worship the beast “receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads” (Revelation 13:16). This may symbolize that the wicked show by their actions (hands) and beliefs (heads) that they do the will of the beast and accept his ideology. However, the precise meaning of “the mark” has not been revealed.“ From the LDS New Testament Manual
  11. Thanks for the response. I am trying to get to a point that I trust Heavenly Father more than my own knowledge or concerns. (Still lots to learn on this.) Of course this idea is nothing new with the followers of Heavenly Father throughout the generations of humanity or even our pre earth life as well. 1/3 of all of our brothers and sisters didn’t trust him enough out of fear, pride, etc to even make it to mortal life.
  12. All the data and research (on either side) doesn’t change the church’s position for the members to not carry weapons at church. It’s simple, they are prohibited. After praying I felt the spirit confirm that this is how God wants it at this time in his houses of worship. For me this is no different than many other church statement or handbook rules. There are many things in the church that I can point to research done by man to support or not support a church doctrine or position. I think many members (not all) are struggling with this because it challenges their political viewpoint on gun rights. Just like I have seen many members struggle with the statements made by the church leadership on abortion, immigration, same sex attraction, etc. I have tried to step back and ask myself the following. Are my political views first and my religious beliefs second or are my religious beliefs first and my political viewpoint subservient to those beliefs. God is not a conservative, liberal, libertarian, etc. These are things of man.
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    New garment styles

    These new garments for men are really good. I live in a very humid tropical environment and the fabric breathes really well and they actually built a pouch for guys (what took them so long) so it keeps things from sticking too your legs. Also the bottoms don’t roll up on your legs. The sleeves are slightly shorter and don’t bunch up under you shirt. Add in the fabric is very soft. Win win win win.
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    Word of Wisdom question

    Thanks for the info and interesting definition of sparingly.
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    Word of Wisdom question

    Thank you for your comments.