Jane_Doe
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"19 And after Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit they were driven out of the garden of Eden, to till the earth. 20 And they have brought forth children; yea, even the family of all the earth. 21 And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh; wherefore, their state became a state of probation, and their time was lengthened, according to the commandments which the Lord God gave unto the children of men. For he gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents. 22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end. 23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. 24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things. 25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. 26 And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given. 27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself. 28 And now, my sons, I would that ye should look to the great Mediator, and hearken unto his great commandments; and be faithful unto his words, and choose eternal life, according to the will of his Holy Spirit" The Book of Mormon. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/2?lang=eng
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The world isn't the "satainc realm". It s a temporary learning place, in accordance to the Father's plan. Our final abode will be much more glorious, but will come when it comes.
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LDS Christians completely disagree there. There was no conquering, no force.
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No force at all. Free will is central to everything.
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Not remotely. Just some folks whom are LDS Christian. No!! God never forces anyone in any aspect. Eve and Adam both made their choice, of their own free will. Such free will (used for good or ill) is central to everything.
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The name "Third Hour"? It's kind of an inside joke. Church every Sunday for LDS Christians was three hours long for decades. They recently shortened it to two hours, so we named the forum "Third Hour" for our extra social / study time.
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*Again, stepping away from the Creedal connotation terms "nature" * Basic info about sealings, God's power which binds families together: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-happens-in-a-temple-sealing?lang=eng
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*Stepping away from the word "trinity" and it's Creedal implications.* We know that Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father are ONE together. That's a statement of fact, made possible through God's sealing power. That's actually a huge deal for LDS Christians. Yes, She is the Mother of all spirits.
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Not equal. My statement was that LDS Christian beliefs are different than Evangelicals. The fact that there are 4 person being talked about here: 1) Heavenly Father. 2) Heavenly Mother. 3) Jesus Christ 4) The Holy Ghost. Is actually CRITICAL. LDS Christians 100% agree that there's a Mother in Heaven. 0% agreement that Heavenly Mother and the Holy Spirit are the same person.
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LDS Christians has no negative connotations about the term "Holy Ghost". It's used anonymously with "Holy Spirit". "Scriptures" incldues the Bible. LDS Christians use the KJV, but completely acknowledge limitations in it's translation. Heavenly Mother is indeed the Mother of all. Just like the Father is the Father of all. Now I'm going to name FOUR different persons. 1) Heavenly Father. 2) Heavenly Mother. 3) Jesus Christ 4) The Holy Ghost. If I were to invite them all to dinner, then I would need to set four places. LDS Christian belief =/= Evangelical beliefs.
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Going to break this down into different aspects: 1) Your views being your views: zero problem there. You have the right to believe whatever your conscious dictates to be true. 2) Any possibility of an LDS Christian agreeing with you views: from the standpoint of doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, your beliefs is partially correct and partially false. Yes, there is a Mother in Heaven (that part is correct). But no that Mother in Heaven is not the Holy Spirit-- they are two different people. So while an LDS Christian totally agrees with the Mother in Heaven part, there's a disagreement with your belief that Heavenly Mother = the Holy Spirit.
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"Holy Spirit" and "Holy Ghost" are synonymous. Scriptures use both. LDS Christians do tend to use "Holy Ghost" slightly more, which is purely a cultural thing. It's part of the Book of Mormon. Link: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/1?lang=eng
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We do disagree on what's the Lord's Truth, but totally acknowledge your right to believe as you do. "11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
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Totally acknolwdging your view there. Explaining LDS Christian views: scripture instructs us to pray "Our Father, who art in heaven...." (Matthew 6:9, 3 Nephi 13:9, 3 Nephi 17:15, 3 Nephi 18:21, 3 Nephi 19:19-21, (emphasis mine ). So that's what we do. Modern day Prophet of God, Gordon B. Hinckley states:
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The word "being" here is once again comes with Creedal connotations and entering into that territory. Let's just steer clear of that, since no one chatting on this thread is a Creedal Christian and there's no need to get things muddy. Totally acknowledge your view there, but as an LDS Christian I don't agree with it. God's Prophets have directed us that such is not appropriate. Again, totally acknowledge you believe otherwise.
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LDS Christian totally acknowledge Heavenly Mother, though she's a different person than the Spirit. Mother in Heaven The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. This understanding is rooted in scriptural and prophetic teachings about the nature of God, our relationship to Deity, and the godly potential of men and women. The doctrine of a Heavenly Mother is a cherished and distinctive belief among Latter-day Saints. While there is no record of a formal revelation to Joseph Smith on this doctrine, some early Latter-day Saint women recalled that he personally taught them about a Mother in Heaven. The earliest published references to the doctrine appeared shortly after Joseph Smith’s death in 1844, in documents written by his close associates. The most notable expression of the idea is found in a poem by Eliza R. Snow, entitled “My Father in Heaven” and now known as the hymn “O My Father.” This text declares: “In the heav’ns are parents single? / No, the thought makes reason stare; / Truth is reason—truth eternal / Tells me I’ve a mother there.” Subsequent Church leaders have affirmed the existence of a Mother in Heaven. In 1909, the First Presidency taught that “all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity.” Susa Young Gates, a prominent leader in the Church, wrote in 1920 that Joseph Smith’s visions and teachings revealed the truth that “the divine Mother, [is] side by side with the divine Father.” And in “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” issued in 1995, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles declared, “Each [person] is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny.” Prophets have taught that our heavenly parents work together for the salvation of the human family. “We are part of a divine plan designed by Heavenly Parents who love us,” taught Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. President Harold B. Lee stated, “We forget that we have a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother who are even more concerned, probably, than our earthly father and mother, and that influences from beyond are constantly working to try to help us when we do all we can.” Latter-day Saints direct their worship to Heavenly Father, in the name of Christ, and do not pray to Heavenly Mother. In this, they follow the pattern set by Jesus Christ, who taught His disciples to “always pray unto the Father in my name.” Latter-day Saints are taught to pray to Heavenly Father, but as President Gordon B. Hinckley said, “The fact that we do not pray to our Mother in Heaven in no way belittles or denigrates her.” Indeed, as Elder Rudger Clawson wrote, “We honor woman when we acknowledge Godhood in her eternal Prototype.” As with many other truths of the gospel, our present knowledge about a Mother in Heaven is limited. Nevertheless, we have been given sufficient knowledge to appreciate the sacredness of this doctrine and to comprehend the divine pattern established for us as children of heavenly parents. Latter-day Saints believe that this pattern is reflected in Paul’s statement that “neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.” Men and women cannot be exalted without each other. Just as we have a Father in Heaven, we have a Mother in Heaven. As Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles has said, “Our theology begins with heavenly parents. Our highest aspiration is to be like them.” Source and more links: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/mother-in-heaven?lang=eng
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https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/topic/first-presidency
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Long name: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Yes and no. There's 12 apostles + a 1st presidency which is made up of the Prophet/President of the Church + his two consolers. Other levels have a similar structure. Like your local congregations is lead by the bishop + + his two counselors.
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The Articles of Faith are the super-reader's digest version of LDS Christian beliefs. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=eng
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Yes, such is a belief in the Creeds. . LDS Christians to *not* believe this and find it to be a major error.
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That's your stake being weird, not Church wide policy. Aside: I be believe that they actually put in an anti-huge mission farewells/homecoming policy several years ago.
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A little background here: The classical "Trinity", as outlined by the Athanasian Creed, states that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 different persons in 1 God,. They are one through a shared substance. The LDS Christian view is a little different: the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 different persons in 1 God. They are one through unity. One truth, one goodness, one way, one glory, one family, etc. So yes, LDS Christians will agree that the Father and Son, and Spirit are a family, but it's a more complex family with as are all of us as the Father's children.
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Joseph Smith, the Father, and the Son
Jane_Doe replied to JohnsonJones's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
Jonah, if you're trying to understand LDS Christian doctrine, I recommend you stick too scriptures. Those are doctrinal sources. It seems like you spend a LOT of time in non-doctrinal sources like Joseph Smith papers and others. Get information from the BEST sources, not lower tiers. -
Should L.D.S. support rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple?
Jane_Doe replied to DennisTate's topic in Jewish Beliefs Board
Ask and you will receive help The "Jewish beliefs" section (this one) is for Jewish beliefs. Out of respect for Jews, we like to keep it focused on that. The "Christian beliefs" section is for generic Christian beliefs. Ditto for keeping it focused on generic Christian beliefs. The "LDS Gospel discussion" section is for LDS Christian beliefs. There's several other sections for that too. "General discussions" for whatever. Like the "What's the last movie you saw?" thread. Things which go no where: bickering or bashing anyone stuff, especially anti-Christian and anti-LDS Christian. We try really hard to keep things positive here.
