Jane_Doe

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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from Backroads in BYU - Call to Arms   
    Myself: all of the above.  I enjoy my job: it gives me puzzles, new things to learn & solve, etc.  That doesn't mean I don't also prize my family extremely.  But I also do enjoy my work.  Which isn't to say that there aren't headaches involved with it that I regularly gripe about.
    Running through other ladies I know:
    - She works at a school because she enjoys being able to learn how better educate her children, and to help other kids & families learn.  It's a "because I have been given much" attitude.  Plus, she enjoys having the extra money in the family budget to save for children's college and rainy-day fund.
    - She works because she wants to & enjoys the connection with other adults.  She goes stir crazy and clinically depressed when she's been a a stay-at-home mom.  
    - She works because she loves her husband and doesn't want him gone 100+ hours a week working multiple jobs.  She'd rather have him work one job, and then come home to be with her & the kids both emotionally/physically.  She choose to work some herself rather than have a MIA husband.
    - She works because her husband has health issues and it's uncertain how long he'll be able to work at all.  Her working means they have savings now and if he needs to stop working she already has an established career.  
    - She works to better learn & challenge herself.  She's loves the new skills she's acquired and wants to keep growing mentally.
     
     
    None of these ladies are working because their husband is lazy or a dog.  In fact, I know each of the husbands and they are all good hard working men at the job & at home as husbands & fathers.  It's HORRIBLY inaccurate and offense to both the ladies and men to assume "oh she's working, he must be low quality".
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from mirkwood in BYU - Call to Arms   
    Myself: all of the above.  I enjoy my job: it gives me puzzles, new things to learn & solve, etc.  That doesn't mean I don't also prize my family extremely.  But I also do enjoy my work.  Which isn't to say that there aren't headaches involved with it that I regularly gripe about.
    Running through other ladies I know:
    - She works at a school because she enjoys being able to learn how better educate her children, and to help other kids & families learn.  It's a "because I have been given much" attitude.  Plus, she enjoys having the extra money in the family budget to save for children's college and rainy-day fund.
    - She works because she wants to & enjoys the connection with other adults.  She goes stir crazy and clinically depressed when she's been a a stay-at-home mom.  
    - She works because she loves her husband and doesn't want him gone 100+ hours a week working multiple jobs.  She'd rather have him work one job, and then come home to be with her & the kids both emotionally/physically.  She choose to work some herself rather than have a MIA husband.
    - She works because her husband has health issues and it's uncertain how long he'll be able to work at all.  Her working means they have savings now and if he needs to stop working she already has an established career.  
    - She works to better learn & challenge herself.  She's loves the new skills she's acquired and wants to keep growing mentally.
     
     
    None of these ladies are working because their husband is lazy or a dog.  In fact, I know each of the husbands and they are all good hard working men at the job & at home as husbands & fathers.  It's HORRIBLY inaccurate and offense to both the ladies and men to assume "oh she's working, he must be low quality".
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from LDSGator in BYU - Call to Arms   
    Myself: all of the above.  I enjoy my job: it gives me puzzles, new things to learn & solve, etc.  That doesn't mean I don't also prize my family extremely.  But I also do enjoy my work.  Which isn't to say that there aren't headaches involved with it that I regularly gripe about.
    Running through other ladies I know:
    - She works at a school because she enjoys being able to learn how better educate her children, and to help other kids & families learn.  It's a "because I have been given much" attitude.  Plus, she enjoys having the extra money in the family budget to save for children's college and rainy-day fund.
    - She works because she wants to & enjoys the connection with other adults.  She goes stir crazy and clinically depressed when she's been a a stay-at-home mom.  
    - She works because she loves her husband and doesn't want him gone 100+ hours a week working multiple jobs.  She'd rather have him work one job, and then come home to be with her & the kids both emotionally/physically.  She choose to work some herself rather than have a MIA husband.
    - She works because her husband has health issues and it's uncertain how long he'll be able to work at all.  Her working means they have savings now and if he needs to stop working she already has an established career.  
    - She works to better learn & challenge herself.  She's loves the new skills she's acquired and wants to keep growing mentally.
     
     
    None of these ladies are working because their husband is lazy or a dog.  In fact, I know each of the husbands and they are all good hard working men at the job & at home as husbands & fathers.  It's HORRIBLY inaccurate and offense to both the ladies and men to assume "oh she's working, he must be low quality".
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from NeuroTypical in BYU - Call to Arms   
    Im first establishing  groundwork.  Hence the phrase “for starters”.  And yes, I have seen people whom do disagree with this groundwork, hence my stating it to make sure that this foundational point is discussed & clear. 
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from MrShorty in BYU - Call to Arms   
    I’m going to answer this in general, as I don’t have any particular ties to BYU. 
    For starters, a person should be thier best self, independently of how well anyone else is doing.  We should also congratulate others for being better verisions of themselves without feeling threatened by thier progress. Hence a girl doing well, including getting get a education & job, doesn’t threaten a boy, or vise versa. 
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from MrShorty in BYU - Call to Arms   
    I’m going to passionately disagree with you on about every point here @mikbone.  Honestly I’m not even sure where to start. 
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    Jane_Doe reacted to Backroads in Hello, long time reader and poster, and I need support in a hard time   
    So, I think things have taken a turn for the better. I think a lot of prayer resulted in several very deep conversations that were too close together to likely be anything but some answers to prayer. 
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    Jane_Doe reacted to Just_A_Guy in Religious Exemption   
    I can understand Latter-day Saints saying they have a conscience-based objection to the vaccine.
    Given President Nelson’s statements, I don’t think a Latter-day Saint has a strong grounds for claiming a religious-based objection to the vaccine.  The best we can do in that vein is a broad “my religious notions of ‘personal revelation’ mean I get to do whatever the heck I want” type of argument.  It’s a cute argument, to be sure; and the law and the courts, in the short term, may play along with that kind of bootstrapping.  But over the longer haul our increasingly secular society and the politicians they will continue to elect will see this as an example of why “religious liberty” is basically a pretext for people becoming a law unto themselves, and will use it to crack down on tolerance of honest-to-gosh religious-based differences.
    IMHO, conservative Christians will find themselves better-protected in the long term if they reserve their religious-liberty exemptions for cases that are truly a matter of religious liberty.
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from askandanswer in Doctrine Fallout   
    Your brother seems like he's carrying some major hurt.  I doubt any answer here will truly help him- rather specifically resolve that decade+ of old hurt.  I just don't see that happening.  
    But to answer the question nonetheless: vast majority of the time, things are indeed focused on Christ & the concepts of loving each other-- as they should be, those are the most important.  Sometimes there are specific situations where loving your neighbor does come to a specific call of action: such as the need for us all to fight this pandemic and take care of each other.  It's not a "I can do whatever I want and I'm not going to affect anyone else" situation.   Yes, there is that strong urging for covid cautious in scheduled programs (closing down Sacrament meetings, temples, etc) and individuals day to day (asking people to vaccinate, mask, social distance, etc).  
    As to people struggling with this urging: yes some people do indeed struggle.  We're all human: some readily follow, some rationalize blatant blowing it off, some kind of in the middle, etc.  I'm not going to pretend that's not the case.  We're each supposed to study things out: think for yourself, look at leaders words, consult with the Lord, etc.  It never should be about just blindly following.  I personally do find that the covid-cautious route is wise and agree full heartedly here.  I also acknowledge that others have more internal conflict on this topic.  And my heart goes out to those people: I myself have struggled with other topics.  My heart is sympathetic and moved, though I still urge what I believe to be best (the covid-cautious route).  And I totally acknowledge whatever path you've taken on this and other issues.  
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from dprh in Doctrine Fallout   
    Your brother seems like he's carrying some major hurt.  I doubt any answer here will truly help him- rather specifically resolve that decade+ of old hurt.  I just don't see that happening.  
    But to answer the question nonetheless: vast majority of the time, things are indeed focused on Christ & the concepts of loving each other-- as they should be, those are the most important.  Sometimes there are specific situations where loving your neighbor does come to a specific call of action: such as the need for us all to fight this pandemic and take care of each other.  It's not a "I can do whatever I want and I'm not going to affect anyone else" situation.   Yes, there is that strong urging for covid cautious in scheduled programs (closing down Sacrament meetings, temples, etc) and individuals day to day (asking people to vaccinate, mask, social distance, etc).  
    As to people struggling with this urging: yes some people do indeed struggle.  We're all human: some readily follow, some rationalize blatant blowing it off, some kind of in the middle, etc.  I'm not going to pretend that's not the case.  We're each supposed to study things out: think for yourself, look at leaders words, consult with the Lord, etc.  It never should be about just blindly following.  I personally do find that the covid-cautious route is wise and agree full heartedly here.  I also acknowledge that others have more internal conflict on this topic.  And my heart goes out to those people: I myself have struggled with other topics.  My heart is sympathetic and moved, though I still urge what I believe to be best (the covid-cautious route).  And I totally acknowledge whatever path you've taken on this and other issues.  
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    Jane_Doe reacted to askandanswer in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    Of all the issues that could divide the members of the church and seperate them from the prophet, never did I imagine that it would be disputes about vaccinations and wearking masks. 
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    Jane_Doe reacted to Traveler in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    Interesting you talked about picking your battles.  One lesson I learned from my military experience is regardless (at least in most cases) you will have a much better chance surviving a battle working as a team than thinking you can do better on your own.  Perhaps you can run and hide better on your own but such action is still likely to costs more lives (especially of those that think they can trust you) than if you give your own life for the team.
     
    The Traveler
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    Jane_Doe reacted to Anddenex in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    As to my experience with Deaf culture, this statement pretty much sums up why the culture sees this as not the best source:
    1) It isn't "healing". It is mechanical.
    2) It says that there is something wrong with them.
    3) The culture itself is a by-product of how the "hearing" treated deaf persons. Now you have "hearing" people telling them we can cure you.
    4) If you spoke to a dwarf and said, "Hey, I have this surgery that would make you taller. You wouldn't be a dwarf anymore." You can see how that might come across a little obtuse. Or maybe an even better one -- this is a taboo comment, so if timid or easily shaken don't read further -- walking up to a flat chested woman and telling her, "Hey we can heal those breasts with a simple augmentation. You will look and feel more like a woman."
    5) I haven't met a deaf person who wouldn't have been grateful if a true "miracle" occurred -- like in scripture -- for their hearing.
    6) As with any mutation -- not considered normal -- it takes a long time (for many) to come to grips with their state and "love" who they are.
    As the procedure gets better, I would assume more deaf persons will be more interested in it. Right now, it is new.
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    Jane_Doe reacted to estradling75 in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    If that is what you think... then you need to read more closely what I am writing.
    Life is full of trials... disabilities are just one variation of that... This moral existence is not about making our trials go away... but rather about enduring them and learning from them.  @NeuroTypical  's wife is one example of a person that would not trade their trials and experiences from said trials for anything.  Yet you seem to think a Deaf person can't/shouldn't feel that way about their Deafness. 
    Now spin that to a Deaf parent of a Deaf child...  They will not see their child's disability/trial as a big deal.  They have much personal experience on how to live a happy and fulfilled life as a Deaf person which they can use as teach their child... and when the child is old enough to make up their own mind they can.   
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from Anddenex in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    <I'm not deaf, but I am basically familiar with deaf culture, having attended a deaf ward for 18 months specifically to study ASL and deaf culture.   And I happen to think deaf culture completely rocks.>
    To best explain this, a parallel example is helpful:  I'm not a neurotypical person.  Officially, I'm high functioning autistic.  I see the world in logic and equations, and have a powerful ability to break down any problem -- I invented my own version of calculus at age 12 because it was useful and obvious to me.  On the flip side: there's a lot of "normal" social nuances that are baffling to me: fashion, social cues, correct level of delicateness, etc.  Naturally, I make "weird" gestures, I can talk "strange", and be "too blunt".  
    Growing up, my mom approached this a problem to be "cured": according to her, I had a "disability" and needed to learn to "act normal".  .... and honestly that approach was hugely damaging to our relationship and my self esteem.  I am not broken: I am me.  I am a daughter of God.  Yes, the way I AM.  To quote Elder Holland "there is nothing wrong with singing in your own voice".  
    My daughter is now very similar to me: at age 4 she was doing 100 piece puzzles, age 6 starting multiplication, etc.  She is clueless about fashion.  And that's ok: she is beautiful.  And if anybody tries to "fix her disability" I'm going to go Rage Mama Tiger at that idiot.  
     
     
     
    Likewise, a deaf child is beautiful.  Yes, she/he is different than a standard hearing kid, but still beautiful.  Deafness often brings a great eye for beauty, a composite nature, a deep awareness of how others are feeling, etc.    A deaf person is are not "broken" and don't need "fixed".  And cochlear implant hearing is not true hearing either.  And there can be a lot of resentment if  somebody approaches them or their kids that way.  
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    Jane_Doe reacted to LDSGator in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    I am convinced that having people in your life that think differently than you is a vastly underrated blessing. Among many other benefits, it reminds you that people can think differently than you and still be wonderful people. 
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from MrShorty in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    You're still approaching tings from the perspective of "a deaf person is disabled and less able to communicate".
    Would you likewise try to "cure" me of being autistic?  Or Traveler's brothers for being color-blind?  Or a left-handed person such as myself?  Do you likewise see these as ailments that need to be fixed and you don't understand why anyone in those boats won't jump at the chance to be "normal"?
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from LDSGator in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    And @NeuroTypical lands a 300% bullseye into the heart of the matter!  Amazingly well said.  
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    Jane_Doe reacted to NeuroTypical in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    I think Jane_Doe is at the heart of the matter.  Giving hearing to a deaf person is more than adding a sense - it is a core alteration to their very existence. It changes who they are.  I sit here with my totally accurate screen name and think "yeah, but being able to hear is better", but I have to understand that many in the deaf community don't see it that way. 
    Similarly, I think of someone close to me with PTSD, major depression, and an entire childhood full of horrible trauma which she was forced to survive and grow from.  When she thinks about a hypothetical where she could have avoided all those traumas, she wouldn't say yes.  Removing her past traumas would have resulted in her growing into a totally different adult.  She would have never have developed the wisdom she has, or the toughness she has.  She never would have been as useful to others going through similar traumas.  There are lives she could not have saved, testimonies she could not have saved.  There would be 5 minute hallway conversations, where some troubled soul went away with lightened burdens and a whole new positive outlook on the world, that would never have happened.  She likes who she is, and would not trade it for the world.  The prospect of being innocently ignorant to the evils of the world, is horrifying to her - she dislikes clueless people.
    At the same time, I've encountered a dozen videos of adults and children, trying on glasses that let them see colors for the first time, or actually see for the first time.  I've seen videos of kids and adults get their hearing turned on for the first time in their lives, and hearing their mom's or husband's voice for the first time.  The absolute wonder and joy in those videos is something I may not ever experience in this life.  
    At the end of the day, if someone wants an implant, I'm not going to stand in their way.  And if someone refuses one, I'm not going to judge.  Seems like a choice people have to make for themselves.
     
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from dprh in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    <I'm not deaf, but I am basically familiar with deaf culture, having attended a deaf ward for 18 months specifically to study ASL and deaf culture.   And I happen to think deaf culture completely rocks.>
    To best explain this, a parallel example is helpful:  I'm not a neurotypical person.  Officially, I'm high functioning autistic.  I see the world in logic and equations, and have a powerful ability to break down any problem -- I invented my own version of calculus at age 12 because it was useful and obvious to me.  On the flip side: there's a lot of "normal" social nuances that are baffling to me: fashion, social cues, correct level of delicateness, etc.  Naturally, I make "weird" gestures, I can talk "strange", and be "too blunt".  
    Growing up, my mom approached this a problem to be "cured": according to her, I had a "disability" and needed to learn to "act normal".  .... and honestly that approach was hugely damaging to our relationship and my self esteem.  I am not broken: I am me.  I am a daughter of God.  Yes, the way I AM.  To quote Elder Holland "there is nothing wrong with singing in your own voice".  
    My daughter is now very similar to me: at age 4 she was doing 100 piece puzzles, age 6 starting multiplication, etc.  She is clueless about fashion.  And that's ok: she is beautiful.  And if anybody tries to "fix her disability" I'm going to go Rage Mama Tiger at that idiot.  
     
     
     
    Likewise, a deaf child is beautiful.  Yes, she/he is different than a standard hearing kid, but still beautiful.  Deafness often brings a great eye for beauty, a composite nature, a deep awareness of how others are feeling, etc.    A deaf person is are not "broken" and don't need "fixed".  And cochlear implant hearing is not true hearing either.  And there can be a lot of resentment if  somebody approaches them or their kids that way.  
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from NeuroTypical in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    You're still approaching tings from the perspective of "a deaf person is disabled and less able to communicate".
    Would you likewise try to "cure" me of being autistic?  Or Traveler's brothers for being color-blind?  Or a left-handed person such as myself?  Do you likewise see these as ailments that need to be fixed and you don't understand why anyone in those boats won't jump at the chance to be "normal"?
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    Jane_Doe reacted to estradling75 in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    Kind of like how an atheist might think a person of faith has a mental illness... and can't understand why they do not want to be cured through logic and reason... But surprise surprise the person of faith does not see faith as 'problem' to be cured
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from NeuroTypical in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    <I'm not deaf, but I am basically familiar with deaf culture, having attended a deaf ward for 18 months specifically to study ASL and deaf culture.   And I happen to think deaf culture completely rocks.>
    To best explain this, a parallel example is helpful:  I'm not a neurotypical person.  Officially, I'm high functioning autistic.  I see the world in logic and equations, and have a powerful ability to break down any problem -- I invented my own version of calculus at age 12 because it was useful and obvious to me.  On the flip side: there's a lot of "normal" social nuances that are baffling to me: fashion, social cues, correct level of delicateness, etc.  Naturally, I make "weird" gestures, I can talk "strange", and be "too blunt".  
    Growing up, my mom approached this a problem to be "cured": according to her, I had a "disability" and needed to learn to "act normal".  .... and honestly that approach was hugely damaging to our relationship and my self esteem.  I am not broken: I am me.  I am a daughter of God.  Yes, the way I AM.  To quote Elder Holland "there is nothing wrong with singing in your own voice".  
    My daughter is now very similar to me: at age 4 she was doing 100 piece puzzles, age 6 starting multiplication, etc.  She is clueless about fashion.  And that's ok: she is beautiful.  And if anybody tries to "fix her disability" I'm going to go Rage Mama Tiger at that idiot.  
     
     
     
    Likewise, a deaf child is beautiful.  Yes, she/he is different than a standard hearing kid, but still beautiful.  Deafness often brings a great eye for beauty, a composite nature, a deep awareness of how others are feeling, etc.    A deaf person is are not "broken" and don't need "fixed".  And cochlear implant hearing is not true hearing either.  And there can be a lot of resentment if  somebody approaches them or their kids that way.  
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from LDSGator in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    You're still approaching tings from the perspective of "a deaf person is disabled and less able to communicate".
    Would you likewise try to "cure" me of being autistic?  Or Traveler's brothers for being color-blind?  Or a left-handed person such as myself?  Do you likewise see these as ailments that need to be fixed and you don't understand why anyone in those boats won't jump at the chance to be "normal"?
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    Jane_Doe got a reaction from LDSGator in The Deaf culture phenomenon - insights?   
    <I'm not deaf, but I am basically familiar with deaf culture, having attended a deaf ward for 18 months specifically to study ASL and deaf culture.   And I happen to think deaf culture completely rocks.>
    To best explain this, a parallel example is helpful:  I'm not a neurotypical person.  Officially, I'm high functioning autistic.  I see the world in logic and equations, and have a powerful ability to break down any problem -- I invented my own version of calculus at age 12 because it was useful and obvious to me.  On the flip side: there's a lot of "normal" social nuances that are baffling to me: fashion, social cues, correct level of delicateness, etc.  Naturally, I make "weird" gestures, I can talk "strange", and be "too blunt".  
    Growing up, my mom approached this a problem to be "cured": according to her, I had a "disability" and needed to learn to "act normal".  .... and honestly that approach was hugely damaging to our relationship and my self esteem.  I am not broken: I am me.  I am a daughter of God.  Yes, the way I AM.  To quote Elder Holland "there is nothing wrong with singing in your own voice".  
    My daughter is now very similar to me: at age 4 she was doing 100 piece puzzles, age 6 starting multiplication, etc.  She is clueless about fashion.  And that's ok: she is beautiful.  And if anybody tries to "fix her disability" I'm going to go Rage Mama Tiger at that idiot.  
     
     
     
    Likewise, a deaf child is beautiful.  Yes, she/he is different than a standard hearing kid, but still beautiful.  Deafness often brings a great eye for beauty, a composite nature, a deep awareness of how others are feeling, etc.    A deaf person is are not "broken" and don't need "fixed".  And cochlear implant hearing is not true hearing either.  And there can be a lot of resentment if  somebody approaches them or their kids that way.