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His Love and Humility inspire to me to worship him. He is The Almighty Creator of the universe, Our God, Yet he descended Below us, Suffered exquisite pain, torment and degradation, so that WE could be with HIM, My Saviour done it for me personally. Our nature as humans is to only make a sacrifice, generally, for our own benefit. But Jesus Sacrificed Himself solely for our benefit. What Love and Charity, how Glorious HE is. No one has this nature so no, no one else could be worshipped. Through His love and humilty He serves all, through His blessings and Promises.

Whoa there, dont get me wrong. I'm all for the environment being maintained and people living environmentally friendly lives. What I am not for is the blame being placed squarely on humans, and becoming a political issue when there is plenty of solid scientific evidence out there that goes contrary to what is being spouted by politicians. Yes do what you can to limit your impact on the environment, and do what you can to get both, full sides of the story. A very brief but interesting vid on this issue is 'the great global warming swindle' just a start point to get into alternate scientific views.

The biggest contributors for CO2 emmisions in the wole world? The sea and volcanoes. damn those disgusting, polluting, natural causes. but moreso lets blame it on humans and then excessively and unneccisarily tax the people of the world.

My Family has had them, and I know of many others who have as well. All the dreams are very distinct, They stand out from any other type of dream, and always continue on from where they left off if I would wake up. Would rather PM though. AVOW gets a bit over the top I think, from what I have read from posts there. Hey brenton & Bmy, If you are into Looking for evidence, well prophetic evidence, of last days, I would suggest you could start with the Daniel Prophecies in bible, Specifically nebuchadnezzars dream of the statue of the man with the feet of iron and miry clay. Follows it's fulfillment through secular history as well as biblical history (and see what is to be fulfilled). B of Daniel: Daniel 2 Commentary (starts page 2): http://livinghistory-books.com/beforechristvol1.pdf

I anticipate it will restore some kind of short term confidence, not that the situation will improve, nor deteriorate, but that it will delay the inevitable (and by doing so, yes, will make it worse).

I believe it is stuffed either way. Bailout it out and at the least It will give more saints who are starting to wake up a bit more time to prepare for really hard times.

WW1 and 2 may not have been prophesied but imo WW3 has.

Hi tere, here is one: Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

exactly, a lot of people don't realize this. Adam and Eve were given in marriage before the fall, before the fall they were immortal and eternal, hence they would have been married for eternity (or as long as they didn't fall, but the rest is history :) So even if you don't believe in the LDS concept of eternal marriage, You can't close your mind to it's possibilty.

Aahhh yep sure, for them. :)

sorry should have started with this: warning: broad generalisation based on experience lol, Yeah they start off like that and then when they realise that what we say makes sense then it's all downhill from there.

Great book, Another a good source is Jim Rohn Audio's on itunes. I am currently reading 'trump university: wealth building 101'. Really Good straightforward advice on debt elimination plans, building investments for your future and protecting yourself and family from financial disaster. Not just glancing over ideas, but showing you how to do it. I just implemented my new debt elimination plan based on the book, and I will be absolutely debt free in no time at all.

Shouldn't your husband be writing why he wants the Job? :) MAybe something like: 'I am looking for a position that will align with my work ethic, So that I am able to do the best job possible, being able to focus on the job at hand and carry it out to the best of my ability.

Haha, yep like those guys over at CARM: LDS: 'thanks for the conversation, it's been great.but I must leave this forum now though.' Anti: 'You will burn in Hell for your beliefs.' Yes, Love it is. Hey, some do respect us, but a lot of others......It doesn't feel like it at all.

there are trillions of dollars floating around that are just numbers in a computer system, that can be shifted at the click of a button. Certain extremely wealthy people can affect an entire economic system by manipulating their 'numbers' in a certain way. When 1 company can hold more weath than an entire continent any action can cause huge repercussions. My basic, dumbed down, limited view of the 'economic cycle' is the injection of this money (credit) into the system (look into fractional reserve banking), everyone takes the easy money, buying, trading and borrowing because there is a lot of credit in circulation, this available credit is then withdrawn (by whom?), and the amount of 'money' circulating dries up, people begin to hold their money and everything starts to tighten up. Economy starts to slow, because it is based on continuous growth and increasing consumption. And as people/ business' faulter, even more masses of wealth shift from the many poor, to the few very rich (though debt, foreclosure etc.) So can this be the current situation? Huge debts racked up by easy credit. Over inflated values on assets caused by easy credit Large amounts of 'money' taken out of circulation (it’s still there, it’s just not being used). Huge amounts of debt affecting major corporates who helped create the problem (due to lending practices), because there is less 'real cash' circulating. Toxic debt is 'sold' to Govt from these institutions(or purchased by you the tax payer without your consent). Government would borrow money (more credit) to pay for these purchases. So you just bought your own bad debt, which you have to pay back, plus the interest on the debt, plus the interest on money created to pay for the interest on the original debt. So basically you, your children and and grandchildren etc are indebted to a ever increasing debt cycle. So who will be the first to put on their tinfoil hat and name some names? :) some speculation would be appreciated.

Hi Daenvgiell, I have to take a different approach here and say, Don't just 'keep doing what you are doing' and hope it will work out. There is a saying, 'the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result'. I had a problem a while ago where I got into some bad patterns and associations with my beliefs. I felt that I was always stuffing up spiritually and the guilt would just kill me, to the point that it drove me away from church for a while (not beliefs wise I still completely believed, I just needed time to clear my head and realise where these feelings were coming from and why I was experienceng them). Once I dealt with them I felt free to move forward and do my best without beating myself up with guilt and shame for things I did that weren't up to my standards (we all stuff up after all). I got quite depressed and experienced the feelings of ‘I’m doing the things I’m supposed to, but I still don’t feel anything.’ I was doing all the 'stuff' that you say you were doing, but I had lost that personal connection to Christ because of all the 'doing'. I think they were refered to as 'religious hobbies' by Joseph F. Smith and we are warned against them. Doing things for the sake of doing them solves no issue, they just cover up what is underneath, you need to have the right heart in doing those activities for you to benefit from them (I’m not saying not to do them, I’m just saying what you may need, could be beyond just doing those activities, if they lack meaning to you at the moment) You have to find out What The Gospel means to you personally, Find Christ and what He done for you and make it personal, Find ways that you can celebrate God that create an emotional connection to Him. Find your own personal Relationship with Him, and then, also 'Do the things you are doing'. It is a relationship that constantly needs to be worked on, because as we change our needs and perceptions change. For me I started writing to get feelings out, I listened to more uplifting worship music. I watched the passion of the Christ which absolutely broke my heart and helped me appreciate Christ even more personally, I prayed many times a day even when It didn’t feel like anyone was listening. Here are a couple of poems I wrote that helped me to understand how I was feeling and get it out: When you feel alone, like no one is there If the world -for you- doesn’t have a care Like you’re twisting and turning, being led down Chained and yoked, pulled by wrists bound There is time you’ll take to become free through love A quiet whisper in your heart, a sweet word to above An Infinite mercy that ‘I’ care beyond words A quiet reassurance you will always be heard. Never turn your back, never give up the fight, You will fall, ‘I’ will catch you I will be your light, To help you to guide you never lead you astray One day to come home, Forever to stay. Here is another: Lord, we send praises, to You on high So far beyond us, Too holy to see. Yet you came down amongst us so humble with love, To teach us to guide us to reach for above How could you have done this? It doesn’t seem fair, That One so Glorious, our Heavy burdens should bear. I can’t comprehend how you were treated this way: Rebellious and sinful, Contempt and hate. These things you withstood for us, so that we may be saved, I yearn to comprehend your sacrifice each day. To hold it, to cherish it, to relieve me from pain, To clutch it so tightly, never waste it in vain. Many times he has changed me, when I was in my hardest trials, It was at the end of myself, the very end, But I was always ready and waiting for his help, He has always stepped in and taken over, but every time it took something more, above and beyond, what I was 'doing' to get me through and out the otherside. Hope this helps in some way :)

Congrats on taking such a great step !!

A train: Good info

what art this quagmire, that spilleth from thine orifice, fair maiden? Speak not again this olde tongue, lest ye require a parley for thine offence.

Classic…. love the condecension....So what's the meat? We now have scripture clearly defining the doctrine and basics of the Gospel, we have multiple scriptures clearly defining the actions taken by the early church leaders in carrying out those principles and ordinances and so defining them further, we have accounts of the early church fathers confirming those again. We have these same principles and ordinances restored and reconfirmed through latterday prophets of God. and it's still wrong... hhmmm. I would compare it more to the wedding, the signing of the marriage certificate, defining by action the things you said you were going to do and making it an official commitment. Whether you like it or not the History of Christianity is full of symbolism. It is part of helping us understand what we are doing and why, a way of demonstrating a complicated subject in simple terms, the action of confirming a binding covenant between us and God in a way we can relate and understand. Note above scriptures and ask these questions: Q:why did sinners justify God in being baptized? Q:John baptized with water unto repentance, why was Jesus baptized when he was perfect? Q:Why does it say ‘those who believe and are baptized, will be saved’, not just ‘those who believe, will be saved’? Q: why was baptism ‘for the remission of sins’ and what does this mean? Q: what are the attributes of the believer who has received water baptism? Hint: Old life is dead, Sins washed away, Free from old sins, born into a newness of life. I really don't know what you are trying to get at here, we are not going to argue semantics, because the meanings of the verses are very clear. 'because' is an acceptable conjunction. It does not alter the meaning of the verse. 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried (immersed into water) with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 because if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 because he that is dead is freed from sin. 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 Because the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Now I could keep quoting more and more scriptures from the bible to confirm our beliefs, and I haven’t even got to the BOM yet. But I think I will leave it there with you evangelical. You need say no more to show me how far in error you are.

There are groups attempting to educate the masses, they just get called tinfoil hat wearers by many in the church. And also because that would be a huge problem for the church as an institution. Imho these groups have worldy power that could hinder the progress at this vital time, and It has more important things to focus on (the threefold mission), The time will come when it will be very clear who they are, to those who are awake it already is. Prophets of past exposed the threat openly and repeatedly, no one really listened then, why would they now?

Evangelical, you said: You are not addressing any of the scriptures we are providing from the bible that contradict your interpretation and position. You do the classic head turn, and ignore. As long as you do this, You will get nowhere.

Who knows if he did or not? Does he even know he was THE Messiah? we know that It is the Father in Heaven that witnesses Christ (flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.) We will call him an investigator. And no the 'Objective evidence' is not neccessarily what causes his belief, otherwise all the other Pharisees would have recognised him by his miracles, but they did not. Also Jesus told his disciples to 'tell no man who I am': He may not even have known that He was THE Christ. more so He may have been 'pricked in his heart' to move towards the truth(acts2 :37...), the witness of the spirit provides the evidence, not the 'acts' in themselves.you really have to look at John 3 using the other scriptures as reference., the whole passage is about Nicodemus not being able to understand the basics of the Gospel and jesus clarifying the two baptisms (water and fire/spirit), Jesus tells him 'We know the way, but ye recieve not our witness.' Nicodemus first comes to Jesus under cover of darkness, head Pharisee can't be caught communing with Jesus alone, now can he. He knows he is of God, but calls him Rabbi, man, and teacher from God. but nonetheless because only Through God can the miracles be achieved. Jesus does not rebuke him, but ministers unto him. Now you can assume from the passage it appears that nicodemus wants to learn of 'higher things' as the last quoted verse says: Why say this? because he is needs to understand the basics of the doctrine of Christ first, as defined: HEB 6:1 Therefore leaving (moving on from) the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Basics are: 1: faith in God, 2: repentance from dead works (=sin), 3: baptism (water), 4:laying on of hands for Holy Ghost (second baptism by fire refer matt 3:11), 5: resurrection, 6: eternal life. Really? are you sure :) and how are you baptized into Christ? by Immersion: 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried (immersed into water) with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. The sybolism here is directly refering to water Baptism by immersion ie Baptism unto Christ in a simultude of his death and ressurection. Basics. This is what the term 'born again' means, born into a 'newness of life', baptism symbolises the death of the 'old man' and being reborn into a new life in Christ. uuuummm...no, Matt. 3: 11 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Refer above *raised hand* oh! oh! ....mine? Yes Grace does save, As I said I am in complete agreement, Realise that Eternal life and salvation is a Free Gift Offered to all. Bit did you make a decision to accept Christ, Did you make a decision to accept his free gift? If yes, then you have done something, NOT absolutely nothing. Yes you have done nothing to redeem you from your sins and from the fall, Only Christ has done This. But you choose to accept this, So you Do do yourself, because you make a choice and accept a free gift, already offered, already paid for by Christ.But, while you choose to believe that the acceptance of that free gift is simply making a choice, and that is it, I believe it is simply making a choice (accept the Gift) and then because I believe I would follow the path, doctrine and plan laid out BY Christ. The Baptism is a neccessary part of the 'Acceptance process'. Making the choice is only the first step on the straight and narrow path. Mark16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Now why does it not just say 'he that believeth shall be saved'? BECAUSE those that truly believe WILL be baptized. those that don't truly believe and understand the doctrine of Christ (HEB 6:1) will not be baptized. Now, Lets get clear. Grace saves. there is nothing we can do for ourselves ie no amount of good works, deeds, etc. will redeem MYSELF from the fall, or my sins. Grace takes care of this, When I accept and believe in Christ. His Doctrine as defined above is the process you undertake to come unto Christ. Please Understand that I make it clear That Nothing we can do can redeem ourselves from our sins or death. We are in no way capable of saving ourselves without Christ. He IS the way, HE shows us the way. That by HIM and following HIS way is how we gain salvation. It cannot be earned because it is given to all freely. It is not us saving ourselves, it is us following HIS path that HE made that leads us to eternal life. We are not doing anything for ourselves because HE has already paid the price whether we choose to follow him or not. If we accept HIS grace by following HIM, the price is already paid. in this sense we do nothing for ourselves, BUT we Choose to Follow HIM, We Choose to accept HIS Gospel, We Choose to abide by HIS principles, We choose to live in Obedience to HIS conditions and we choose to recieve HIS ordinances. It is all HIS, the part we play is in accepting HIS plan, And HIS plan is defined in the Sciptures, Baptism is a neccessay part of HIS plan for us. Now after all this you still want to think that we believe baptism is us saving ourselves, then I won't bother to reply anymore. The Grace is God's, The Doctrine of Christ and baptism is HIS plan laid out for us to follow. HE says it it neccesary, HIM I will follow. just a couple of the many scriptures noting baptism: Luke 7: 29-30 29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. Acts 10: 47-48 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Matt. 28: 19 19 ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Hey evangelical, Apologise in advance about my crazy text sizing etc. it seems to come out like that when it is submitted. I thought you had gone? I'll PM you about your PM now that your back :) This Grace alone argument If find interesting, especially if you encouraging people that baptism is not necessary (there are a lot of evangelicals that say it is not necessay at all) to me that is like gambling, especially with all the scripture we have saying it is neccessary. I would like to start with the verse that is I believe very clear on the issue and others take that it means physical birth: Notice here he says 'Born AGAIN'' not just 'born'. Here saying 'marvel not that I say be born again, I am not talking about 'being born of the womb' (the wind always blows, And you hear the sound of it(you know it is there) but cannot tell it’s origin, direction, destination, it cannot be defined: so is everyone that is born of the spirit) Refer to above text in red: Nicodemus had received a witness of the holy ghost (v2) but Jesus said he needs to be born again to complete his ‘renewal’: Gal 3:27“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. “ Being born only in the spirit (accepting Christ 'spiritually' or his'Grace') is not complete. Yes, you know it is definite and real but cannot confirm it. Being born of water as well confirms your belief and allows you to enter the kingdom of God. Where Nicodemus’s ‘way’ has not been confirmed, Jesus goes on to tell him HE DOES KNOW THE WAY’ and it IS what HE says: This passage clearly demonstrates the neccessity for baptism by water and baptism by fire.Here is another interesting verse keep in mind the 4th article of faith (1st principle: faith) Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent (2nd: principle), and be baptized (3rd: ordinance) every one of you for in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost . (4th: laying on of hands for...) 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 ¶ Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.Those that Gladly recieved the word, were baptized. and the day they were baptized(my interpretation) were added unto them 3000 souls. Now I know the verse that is used to justify grace only that saves, but that interpretation cannot be reconciled with allthe other scriptures. The belief that baptism is required is reconciled with the 'grace saves' scripture, because His grace does save, baptism is where we 'enter in at the gate'. What is this belief at the expense of ALL the other scriptures that say your agreement (through baptism) is required to assure your salvation. While we cannot save ourselves we CAN choose to accept or reject it, we have the agency. those that choose to believe that our 'acceptance of salvation' is in someway saving ourselves without the Grace of God, need to do a bit more reading up on the gift of agency. In light of this, those that encourage others that baptism is not neccessary, play a dangerous game, I believe, in teaching those new to the Gospel, to 'unknowingly' reject what is required of them, before indoctrinating them to disregard all other scriptures on the matter, and then perpetuate the myth themselves.

I had one quite similar to yours. It was also when I was inactive. I was walking in the countryside by myself. I came to a wide river where I could see a group of people walking along the otherside. I noticed that quite a few of them were walking bouncing basketballs. looking closer I realised they were all the people I attended church with when I was younger (All teenage mormons played basketball in my ward and it was quite funny that they had basketballs in the dream) I instantly felt like I needed to get across the river to them. they were all walking in the same direction along the riverbank. and I spent along time in my dream running alongside them on the otherside by myself trying to join them but finding no way across. After quite a while I came to a bridge, a rickety old wooden one. I started to cross it carefully to get across to my old friends and thats when I woke up. This dream for me definately had a huge amount of meaning and symbolism and has been etched into my memory ever since.