David13

In many places there is a very strong rule that nothing bad can ever be said about the dead, nothing negative, no matter who true it is. It looks like that's what you have here. The best rule when someone has a death of someone near to them is to say ... basically nothing. Just listen. Let them talk. You have spoken the truth about your uncle (here) and it seems you have accepted his situation. So like some others have said, I think the thing now is to say ... nothing. dc

How is it that they keep dredging up these old threads? That's just what I say, not necessarily what my avatar says. Maybe my avatar says I'm a little bit catty. Or, I get around. Or, maybe, my cat gets around. dc Which, also, how is it that palerider never rode a horse? How does one get thru' this world without ever riding a horse? Are horses now so rare that there are some people who never get out and ride one? Maybe that's what I need to do this weekend. Go ride a horse thru' the canyons. dc

Contemporary culture/society. Whims, fads, fantasies and perversions. Fickle, indeed. dc

I think San Bernardino was the first California mission in 1853. The first Mormon settlement. Over the last 5 years I was out there once a week. But no longer. dc How do they get these old posts to come up, anyway? By search topic? I only get a few of my old posts if I look for them.

I have finished reading Tom Logan, Sheriff of Nye County, killed in 1906. For those of you from other planets, Nye County is one of the old mining and infamous counties in Nevada. The proper title is "Logan: The Honorable Life and Scandalous Death of a Western Lawman" by Jackie Boor. 2014 or 2015, I think. It goes over some of the early history of Nevada, southern Nevada, the mining communities, many now ghost towns and written by a descendant of the sheriff's. Of course, part of that history involves more than one Mormon pioneer settler, but the author only skims or avoids any Mormon involvement. I have yet to finish, and don't know if I will finish "How Wide the Divide". dc Prior to the Logan book, I think I had mentioned reading the large (750 page) Porter Rockwell book from 1986,

I was also recently surprised to learn that Anatess was no longer in the Philippines. I thought she did live there, and that perhaps she is on temporary sojourn in Florida. Or elsewhere. dc

If I recall correctly, long ago the kids stopped using the word says, and replaced it everywhere with goes. I goes, then he goes, then she goes. No, they don't goes. They says. dc

Eowyn is channeling Spiro Agnew. dc

Hey, you didn't happen to go to school in Costa Mesa, did you? dc

Anatess I think that is the problem. They have parents but were 'raised' by the school and the tv, and possibly also the internet. And their "friends" or "peers". But it may well be the parents are just the same, after all who was elected president, so they are just chips off the old idiot block. dc

Anatess First, due to your cultural background, and the super extended family relations you have, the whole equation may be different for you, than for us. Second, we can be friends. I can be friends with all the married women in my ward, stake, the whole church. We all have love for them. However, we do not extend that love to personal interaction, such as going out to dinner with them without their husband. That is not something that is "required" of it. In fact, to the contrary, it is something detrimental. It sets doubt, or can set doubt into the mind of the husband. It sets temptation before us, and the married woman. So it just isn't necessary. I cannot be friends with homosexuals. No more than I could be friends with psycho killers, armed robbers, drug dealers, etc. I don't approve of what they do and I thus avoid them, categorically. If I become aware that someone is an adulterer, I will withdraw from any association I have with them. I don't want to be influenced by them, but more importantly, I don't want to appear to give sanction to what they do. dc

Here there is air conditioning, so it's not so hot inside. We don't get 100, but we did have a long hot spell and the a/c handled it quite well. Nobody changed their wardrobe at all. But I suppose the easy solution if it's so hot inside, is, take off your jacket. dc

I like the idea of avoiding the appearance of impropriety, even if there is no impropriety present. I don't see any need to skate on thin ice, and go out to dinner with someone else's wife, without the husband present also. That's just temptation. For me and for her. And I don't want to present temptation to her, either. dc

Study scripture. Have a lesson on scripture. Accompany them on a visit with an investigator. Take them out to lunch or dinner. I had asked them to visit me in the chemo therapy ward, which they didn't do. I needed two witnesses because everybody in the church says "you don't look sick, you look ok, you look healthy", even tho' I have stage 4 cancer. I'm sure some of them think I'm faking it. Anyway, they didn't come to visit me in the chemo therapy ward or clinic. They were squeamish, I suppose. I told them they might see dead people and sick people, I think they got squeamish, and weaseled out. dc

Anatess I think you are missing a lot of what some of the posts here were about. Dc

You are aware that they say animal abuse is the first sign of a psycho killer? dc

Would you be willing to explain to me just what would be funny about a bag of cats? dc

Some people are just too sensative. dc And some of those some people would do just fine here on the forum, if they were to endure to the end.

I just read the title in a different way. Touching animals. I once read on a forum a guy posted his daily activities after work. Come home. Pet the cat. Fix dinner. Watch tv. So that's also a daily touching animal story from me. I pet both cats every day. They like it. They purr. I try to keep it equal on them. dc

Just seeing someone in Church is not friendship. It's fellowship. And acquaintance. I think it is totally improper for me to have dinner as a single male with a married woman, unless her husband is present and has invited me. It's a question of appearance. I don't want the husband to think I'm trying to move in on his wife. When I again get married, I will not want some man going out to dinner with my wife, either, unless he wife is present. I don't think it's right. According to what I get from the Scientific American article, and from my own knowledge of men, including myself, men start thinking. Women, yes, I agree, they can seem all friendly and all, and are not posturing into a sexual anything. Men, maybe due to hormones, or primal urge or dna or something, I don't think can do that. So I'll talk alone to the married women at church, so they can assess me for introduction to the right single friend or relative, but no, I will not date them. Going out to dinner with someone else's wife is a ... DATE. dc It's easy to be friends with guys, because we as heterosexuals are not thinking of anything else. We are thinking of the hobbies, the interests, all those things. And I suppose it's easy for the ladies to go out for things together with the 'girls' and 'girl talk' or whatever. But I do not want some woman tempted into even thinking of adultery, or having lust in her heart because she's hanging around me too much. I figure, and I hope I'm correct, they can't do that at church.

It sounds like too much of a downer for me to watch. I don't get entertainment out of things like that. dc

Both my cats like to put things into their water bowls. I don't know why. One will play fetch with a pink plastic ball with a seed inside so it rattles. Having lived in the city I've only had cats. But when, and if I finally do make it to a nice rural area in Utah, I will get one or two dogs, rescues. dc

I was not a member of the church at the time, so it didn't mean much to me when I heard it and don't rmember how or where. Probably just a newspaper article. In Institute (adult gospel study, also) the instructor said bro David probably remember where he was. But then he learned why I didn't think much of it. He said he heard it on the radio (in Utah) and didn't believe it because he thought it would be announced only in Sacrament meeting or something, not on the radio. Then he described some reactions he saw and heard of, some good, some bad. dc

Two people may seem the same on the outside, same clothes, walk and talk the same, go to the same activities, like all the same things, but what about the inside. They can be 100% different on the inside. But the bottom line, mostly is the choice a person makes. Like you say, she chose the wrong advisers, the wrong support group. It's what's on the inside, and the choices made. dc

Yes, I know all about it. This week in HP someone said "well, they want to move to Utah because they think everything is perfect in Utah, but they move there and then find out it isn't perfect. I know all about it. I spent a lot of time in Utah, and also, there is Utah (SLC and environs) and Utah, Torrey, Milford, St George, Loa, Lyman, Bicknell, Manti, etc. Somewhat like two different worlds. But our ward has so many contacts with Utah, people from Utah, people with children (adult) in Utah, and a dozen other reasons why so many in our ward visit Utah all the time, including myself, and people moving to Utah. So California has problems in places where Utah doesn't even have a place. And of course the weather is different. But I just want out of here. dc