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CRITIC
The Bible teaches blah blah blah
RESPONSE
Let's assume that the Bible is inerrant. But that still leaves a problem.
Where do you find an inerrant INTERPRETATION of the Bible? Scholars disagree among themselves even on basic salvation doctrines -- e.g. is baptism a requirement for salvation, works vs faith, "once saved always saved", free will, etc They all have studied the Bible intensively, got their PhD from the universities and cannot agree among themselves on what the Bible teaches.
I do not say that the scriptures are false, but you cannot give me the inerrant interpretation of those scriptures.
The historic Christian church replaced the apostles and prophets with theologians and philosophers.
But the Lord called a prophet in these last days day to restore the Gospel and the church lead by apostles and prophets (see Eph 4:11-14).
I invite you to visit the local church and see for yourself.

I am sooooo sorry but I couldn't help myself....sorry....sorry....
I am not going to win any spirituality awards on this thread at all
Okay Eowyn, your comment reminds me of Minny's Chocolate Pie scene from "The Help". Okay, there I said - s-o-r-r-y!

Thanks you two... nothing to see here EXCEPT hurt feelings!!!!!!!!!!

When I find myself obsessing about something, whether it's a problem or an earworm song, my go-to method is to just let my mind do its thing. Oh, so I want to think about the TripleDent Gum jingle, huh? OK, TripleDent Gum it is, for the next hour, or three hours, or maybe three days. Whatever. I'll dissect that sucker, learn the words, and eventually my brain will tire out and will want to think of La Mer or Figure.09 or Nacqui all'Affanno. Same with problems. Eventually, I get tired of worrying about it, and move on. Then when I think about it again, it's not so upsetting.
 
 
 
 

I am sooooo sorry but I couldn't help myself....sorry....sorry....
I am not going to win any spirituality awards on this thread at all
Okay Eowyn, your comment reminds me of Minny's Chocolate Pie scene from "The Help". Okay, there I said - s-o-r-r-y!

While there is the potential, let her not forget there is also hope.
 
 

While there is the potential, let her not forget there is also hope.
 
 

While there is the potential, let her not forget there is also hope.
 
 

It really depends on what stupid thing comes out of the person's mouth.  It usually happens with a person once.
 
For example: shortly after that stupid letter about CCW at church came out I was approached by a member of the ward. 
 
DumbBrother#1: you know you can't carry that here
Me: huh?
DB#1: you can't carry a gun at church
Me: yes I can
DB#1: no you can't, the church just put out a letter that says you can't.
Me: did you miss the car I drove to church in (I had parked next to him as he and his wife got out of their car)?
DB#1:  I'm telling the bishop.
Me: he already knows, tell him I said hi.
 
Not more than a minute later a second dumb brother approaches...
 
DB#2: you know you can't carry a gun at church
Me: yea I can
DB#2: No you can't.
Me: I'm exempt from that letter
DB#2: I'm telling the bishop
Me: tell DB#1 I said hi while you are over there.
 
Yes, that was a real conversation.
 
DB#1 and DB#2 never spoke to me again.  I'm crushed.
 
 
 
 

Uh...brother Mirkwood, could you swear a little less from the pulpit...yea that's my joke when someone suggest I be put in the bishopric...that and my threat of 9% tithing.
 
No, I wasn't implying I should be in the bishopric.  Heaven help us all if they make that mistake.
 
 
 
This doesn't bode well for me either...

 

But I liked it... I still do...

I am sooooo sorry but I couldn't help myself....sorry....sorry....
I am not going to win any spirituality awards on this thread at all
Okay Eowyn, your comment reminds me of Minny's Chocolate Pie scene from "The Help". Okay, there I said - s-o-r-r-y!

I've seen a few episodes, but it strikes me as silly.
On the other hand, Psych is my go-to folding laundry/marking papers/falling asleep to tv show.
And I'm so good at spotting pineapples.

I had a similar experience once, though thankfully it wasn't in the foyer.  I was a Cub Scout leader (Webelos) and one of the mothers objected to the way I was running it.  I had promised the scouts that we would do a model rocket derby if they all were able to earn their Webelos badges.  She felt that it was wrong to dangle a carrot in front of their noses like that.  Of course, when I wouldn't fold up and do it her way, she threatened to go to the Bishop (as if that were something I should be afraid of).  I told her to go ahead.  I never heard anything more about it after that.
And yes, we did launch the rockets.   

@Eowyn
Mention it to the Bishop. Then in a couple of weeks she will be called as the speaker in Sacrament on "Kindness towards others". She will repent and come and apologize to you for her actions. Also... ask to have her called as YW secretary so she can sit in on Presidency meetings and learn how YW really runs.
Oh...just kidding... go @mirkwood on her!!

Much respect for keeping your cool. If you are willing give up your calling to go put up with stuff like this (see picture) at Walmart, then Sister Tantrum must be extra cray cray!
Have you smiled and forgotten about queen of fruit-loop people yet? If so mission accomplished!

@Eowyn
Mention it to the Bishop. Then in a couple of weeks she will be called as the speaker in Sacrament on "Kindness towards others". She will repent and come and apologize to you for her actions. Also... ask to have her called as YW secretary so she can sit in on Presidency meetings and learn how YW really runs.
Oh...just kidding... go @mirkwood on her!!

@flameburns623
It is funny that you suggested I look over Planted, since I previous quoted from that exact book in this thread to address one of your posts. Yes, it and other books are wonderful in addressing concerns of doubt. I'm sorry if you feel I need a bit more insight or empathy when it comes to those who have had a faith crisis, but I assure you as one who personally went through a faith crisis years ago, I have plenty of empathy for the situation. All of my comments that proceeded were solely to address what seemed like "I left the church over a scheduling conflict with my job". That statement was the one that triggered all of my responses, and has been the issue I have been seeking to address. 
IF you are saying you had a faith crisis and didn't leave the church because of "work" but rather you left over: disbelief, doctrine concerns, lack of faith, church history, doubts of the gospel, etc. THEN perhaps you may have perceived a bit more empathy in my statements. I would have approached your situation differently had you simply said "I went inactive because of a faith crisis" vs. a work scheduling issue. 
Just a point of reference, typically when I write on the forum I am writing for both you/OP AND for the benefit of others in your shoes who may come and read this thread later on down the road. I share ideas and suggestions so that they realize there are alternatives and avenues of hope they may follow instead of simply going inactive. Experiencing a faith crisis is not a required step in life's journey. For some it is, and many others it simply isn't. 
Ultimately Flameburn623, I do have empathy for you and your situation and truly wish you the best!! Be blessed as well!

@Eowyn
Mention it to the Bishop. Then in a couple of weeks she will be called as the speaker in Sacrament on "Kindness towards others". She will repent and come and apologize to you for her actions. Also... ask to have her called as YW secretary so she can sit in on Presidency meetings and learn how YW really runs.
Oh...just kidding... go @mirkwood on her!!

Ahhh  excellent... we now see another piece of the puzzle that you are missing... So we need to change topic a bit to cover it.
Most Christians believe in One Heaven and one Hell.  All that go to Heaven share the same blessings and all the at go to Hell share the same punishments.  This idea poses some problems.  Namely what about those that barely qualify for Heaven or barely qualify for Hell.  It seems like they are really close to being similar in worthiness... But one gets the same blessing as the most noble saint and prophet and the other gets the same punishment as the most vile sinner.  This seems unfair.
LDS believe that Heaven has divisions. (You might have heard talk of the Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdoms those are the divisions)  Each individual will be rewarded according to their diligence and willingness to obey God's commands.  The very highest part of the highest kingdom we call Exaltation.  It requires all the Ordinances and for you to be the best of the best the most faithful of the faithful.  This is the only place where one can and will be still married.  Anything less and you "didn't make it" and you have no promise to be married. Even though you would still be in Heaven it would be at a lesser degree.
I think this is part of why your Dad is acting the way he is... He has reexamined his life and might think he comes up lacking... so he is trying to repent.
So I am not talking about cheating (although that would be a factor if it existed) for "making it" I am asking what if they are not part of the best and most faithful and don't quantify for Exaltation. Even though they are good people and get a Heavenly reward?
 
    

@Eowyn
Mention it to the Bishop. Then in a couple of weeks she will be called as the speaker in Sacrament on "Kindness towards others". She will repent and come and apologize to you for her actions. Also... ask to have her called as YW secretary so she can sit in on Presidency meetings and learn how YW really runs.
Oh...just kidding... go @mirkwood on her!!

Go all mirkwood on her. 

Thanks for sharing your personal story Sunday. Hearing yours and JAGs today has been great. I enjoyed your entire post and especially how you closed it out (quote above).

I am not proud of my behaviour in the following but I think the message is very relevant so here goes. I returned to the church after many years of absence. I started to pray and felt the tug of the Holy Ghost. I moved provinces and found a new job. Along the way, I met a man who took one look at me and decided I was the one. I started to attend church and simultaneously slipped up a few times, quite seriously.
 I started attending regularly, my friend got baptized, we began to obey the law of chasitity and we set a wedding date. The whole ward was quite excited. One of my visiting teachers was determined that we should get married. The other was worried. We had a great deal in common, same line of work, both rabid researchers on the same topic, we published together. However once we were morally clean, I realized we did not love one another. There was no glue to hold us together.
You need clarity to calmly evaluate whether or not you want to marry another person. If you are intimate, you can not rationally make a sensible choice. If you have relations before marriage, then marry, time passes, passion wanes and then you are stuck with someone that you never would have married if you had been in your right mind when you made the decision. Passion is irrational. Very useful after marriage. Very dangerous before marriage. Passion leads to poor decisions.
Bluntly, your girlfriend is not the person that you think she is. You are not the person that she thinks you are. You can not see clearly through the haze of passion. Neither of you are in your right minds. Quit fooling around and you may well find that you lose interest in each other. It would be preferable to stop fooling around and see if you actually like each other than to marry and then to find, once passion wanes that you have no interest in each other. 
The strength of youth pamphlet is a remarkable document. The steps work if you follow the steps. Don't be be alone together. If you can't follow the steps in the strength of youth then you are too immature to marry..and then have kids..and handle professional set backs, failing economies, illness, callings and all the other stuff that life brings.
i am sorry to sound unsympathetic but you could be walking into a big mistake.

And I think it may have been a surprise. Throughout His life, Jesus had had the companionship of His Father. Even in Gethsemane, He sent His "angel" (Whom I believe to have been Father Himself) to strengthen Him. but, for that last period, He was alone, totally, completely, unprecedentedly alone. That may have triggered the lament.
Lehi