Iggy

Are you saying that tongue in cheek? I certainly hope so. What does your Stake Primary Presidency say to this?

There is a lesson manual for the Sunbeams, that should list everything needed to teach and occupy them. Also when I was in the Primary Presidency, we were told by the Stake Primary Presidency that only church approved music could be played or taught - https://www.lds.org/callings/primary/leader-resources/music/nursery?lang=eng If it wasn't in the Children's Songbook, it wasn't to be sung, played or taught to them.

Quite a few people still like and prefer the paper versions. I am one of them.

She asked who did we minister to and what did we do. No one really answered her because we are a SMALL branch. Even if no one named names, just saying what they did, we would know who she had ministered to. I tried to divert it by saying what had been done to me. By doing this by NOT naming the person or even giving the date it happened. She cut me off by saying: Yes, well THAT is not what I asked now is it? The RS Pres. pretty much put an end to the silence and her teacher reprimanding us as though we were third graders, by reading the three scriptures in your quote. When you ask a question - give your class time to ponder the question, then formulate their response. And no 15 seconds is NOT enough time.

The *Church*, meaning The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, meaning the Gospel of Jesus Christ, meaning the Lord's Restored Gospel is infallible. Man on the other hand is NOT infallible. One thing to remember is that the Lord will NOT allow a prophet to lead His church astray. Remember that Pres. Russell M. Nelson is not the only prophet in the LDS church. He is, however, the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the Lord's living Prophet of the entire WORLD. Here are the Prophets, Seers and Revelators of the Lord's church: LDS Prophets, Seers & Revelators

D & C 58: 42 Behold, he who has arepented of his bsins, the same is cforgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more. 43 By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will aconfess them and bforsake them. (bolding is mine) Verse 42 says that the Lord will remember them NO more. If He remembers them no more, then you MUST remember them NO more, or as it is stated in the next verse: forsake them. Put the past in the past, close and lock that door. If you are still agonizing over this, then THAT is satan beating down on you. Banish the adversary - get on your knees in heartfelt prayer and banish him. I went through a time period where satan was beating me down in more ways than I could keep track of and fight back against. A very wise and wonderful women at church took me into one of the unused class rooms, we sat knees to knees (we both have arthritic joints, so no kneeling here) and we prayed together. She opened and then during the plea to Father to banish satan - she invited me to speak to Father too. Joint prayer. Never knew that could be done - and my Hubby and I do it often now. So, banish satan. Do it daily if need be. After you do that, pray to Father and THANK HIM for hearing your pleas. Give gratitude for all of the blessings Father has bestowed on you. With a grateful heart, your pleas of banishment of the adversary will be heard.

We had this today ~ and the ONE thing that the Instructor refused to be brought up (by me by the way) was what was *ministered* to me that affected me the most. One was a good one, one was a bad one. By The Way - this particular woman is a retired High School Teacher, and she just flat out refuses to stop the lecturing, and allow the conversations to flow. So - that is my 0.02$ worth.

As a Temple & Family History Consultant, we are being told to include the youth of 11 years old and older and the newly converted adults in Family History work. To work alongside the Missionaries to introduce the investigators to family history. They have found that by doing this, it drastically slows the *hemorrhaging* and the new member retention is also greatly improved. @Jane_Doe if you take one meeting a month and make that a combined boy and girl meeting to do family history, that could be the start of getting all involved with each other. Talk with your Ward Temple & Family History Consultant Lead, and run with it. Start with the 2018 Leadership Session at RootsTech https://www.lds.org/media-library/video/2018-02-2300-leadership-session-at-rootstech-2018?lang=eng Even though the ages of this group is younger - they don't say to exclude the 8 to 10 years olds. If the 8 yo and up girls are invited to the General RS Sessions, and the RS Birthday events stake wide, then why can't they be included and encouraged to learn and participate with Family History? Just a thought ~ ~ ~

That is so odd - This really isn't an "Invitation" type of class- nor is it like the Ward Council. Our Stake Presidency made it quite clear to the entire stake membership [at our Stake Conference] that ALL were encouraged to attend the councils, whether they had a teaching calling or not, as ALL members are Teachers. In our Stake, that means that every ward and branch (mine) meets on the 3rd Sunday of the month, during 2nd & 3rd hour. Little did we know that when this first came about, our little branch was the beta group. The Branch SS President and I (he is my hubby) read EVERYTHING online and watched EVERY video regarding Teaching In The Savior's Way. At that time, Hubby was in the hospital with a horrific case of staph in his right leg - from the toes up past his knees. The Stake SS President came to see him, brought all of the manuals, a thumb drive with EVERYTHING downloaded so Hubby could study it when he was awake and coherent. He was in the hospital for 15 days. The nurses finally took away his lap-top to force him to sleep. Hubby has never been a lecture-to-you-teacher. He calls that being a Radio aka Broadcasting. He finds that adults are the ones who are most prone to NOT participating. They are more afraid of giving the wrong answer. Well, after a long minute of silence he says: I know that YOU all know the answer, so don't be afraid of blurting out the not-quite-correct answer first. What will that harm? What will that accomplish? You will learn how to find and retain the correct answer. Now for the YW/YM and the youth - they give answers right away, and ergo - that is what this combined Come Follow Me program is all about. DISCUSSION! Not LECTURES. Hubby ran with it. He also stayed after the block so that ALL of the Primary Leaders could attend the Council. THAT was the one class that I really enjoyed. Talk about discussion/ministering/helping with wonderful suggestions. For the first 6 months the Stake leaders attended also. To me, that is the same regarding the cub/boy scouts and the activity day girls. As we are now co-joining the Priesthood and RS with the Ministering rather than Home Teaching and Visiting Teaching, so we will be co-joining the primary boys and girls as well as the Young Men and Young Women. I feel heartsick that your Ward is so hard-hearted regarding this. Have you talked with the Stake leaders about this? If it is Stake wide, then write your letter, BUT include ALL of the Stake Leaders and your Ward Leaders that have stewardship over this. I would also make this a paper letter - being the person that I am I would snail mail it, return receipt requested. In my Branch, the *Powers To Be* know that when I pull the *All Business* card, I am mad, determined, and have given everyone on the lower rung of the ladder every opportunity to do more than flick their wrist at me and toss my concerns out the window. That is where Hubby comes in ~ he edits my written responses down to one page. Removes all of the "I's", gives me 3rd grade level words to use rather than university professor words. Or to be blunt: Keep It Simple -- Keep the wording simple. Oh, Hubby would veto the snail mail, and opt for making an appointment with all involved to meet at the Stake Center, stating ahead of time that you will need an hour to two hours, hand out the letter to everyone as they gather, then give them enough time to read it. THEN voice your suggestions NOT your complaints. Make notes of every one's responses, reactions. Let them see you making notes. Pay attention. Listen to them. Answer their questions. Oh and YOU offer the opening prayer. IF at all possible, have everyone kneel for the opening prayer. My prayers are with you.

I have read, re-read this and all of the responses. @Jane_Doe did your ward completely do away with Activity Days, or did they release you, call you to Cub Scouts and call another sister to Activity Days? Why can't you transition the cub scouts into combined activity with the girls early? Your bio says you live in Wyoming - at first I thought you might be in a 3rd world country where women are placed in a caste system by culture. But Wyoming??? No matter where you are living, there is NO reason for you to NOT begin this transition 17 months earlier than the proposed start up date given by the 1st Presidency. Keep yourself updated to the church's announcements through this link https://www.lds.org/youth/childrenandyouth You can follow along with the changes in the Callings - primary Also have you been attending your ward's Teaching In The Savior's Way Council? If you have, did you bring your concerns to them? If you haven't, plan on attending and bring your concerns to them - THAT is what the Teaching In The Savior's Way Council Meetings are for and why the 1st Presidency brought it about. FYI here is the link to Teaching In The Savior's Way you can download this to your device.

@Jane_Doe your entire concern has already been seen to, discussed and action taken: New Activity Program for children and youth So do you still want to send a letter to the Bishop & Primary regarding this when in 17 months the current status quo will be drastically changed, and changed to what you are now asking for?

April 1977 Conference talk by Bruce R. McConkie linky to talk - written & video The Father’s name is Elohim; Jehovah is his Son. Above all Gods they stand supreme, And rule the universe. Jehovah is the Holy One, By whom redemption comes; His gospel is the word of life; He is our living Lord. The Holy Spirit witness bears; Our soul the message hears— That Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, Are man’s Eternal Gods.

Feeding the missionaries and inviting a married couple is a fantastic way to better get to know the members of your Ward. Also invite a single man who is your age. That way the numbers are even. I am still trying to get the Senior Missionary Couple over for dinner. I'll keep inviting and perhaps one day they will accept.

It is Sister Iggy to you. Yes you can ask those questions, as long as you ask in a respectful way. If you ask questions that you got from hateful anti-mormon sites, then yes you are going to get *shut down*. I have asked those questions in Gospel Doctrine, Relief Society and sometimes at 5th Sunday. No one got their "panties" all twisted over it. I was answered, and sometime the answer was, Quote- I don't know- end Quote. Or, Quote - That hasn't been revealed yet - end Quote. To date I have yet to discover exactly what questions are Taboo. Certainly it isn't about blacks (people of color) and the priesthood. THAT has certainly been answered by the 1st Presidency and a slew of Apostles. I asked if he meant to include all members or just the Prophets. @Overwatch reply Anyone in leadership. From the Bishop to the Relief Society president. With 58 years of membership under my belt - I would say - ALL MEMBERS, not just restrict it to any in leadership roles. In my experience, about the only thing that will get you before a Church Disciplinary Council is sexual misconduct whether you are in a leadership calling or not. Since I don't know anyone who has gone before the Council for any other thing - I can't state what other things there might be. @Overwatch to be Nit-Picky, Rape, theft, abuse, etc... are NOT laws, they are actions. Actions against others.

Oh Vey - my comments are in RED within his quote. I was 8 when my eldest brother joined the church, so to me there was no thought to *graduating* on to the next class at the beginning of each year. By all means, go to Gospel Doctrine class. Find out at the end of class what the next lesson will be, then go to Old Testament gospel doctrine teachers manual and study away. Here is another link that I use in addition The Gospel Doctrine Class by Beardall , what I love about this one is he adds well documented in doctrine facts. In Gospel Doctrine we study the 4 parts of our Scriptures. This year it is the Old Testament. Next year the New Testament, following that Doctrine & Covenants and Church History, then Book of Mormon. Follow this link: LDS Old Testament Manual and study away. You can also go to the online store and purchase whatever study guides are available, or if you live near a Deseret Book Store, go there to get the books, manuals. The Study Guides, Our Heritage and the Gospel Principles books are available for FREE from your Ward/Branch Library. Do Not Let The Librarian Charge You Money For Any Of Those Items. They are FREE, One per member.

When my niece was about 8 (her dad was soooooo inactive, thus she was not raised in the church) she saw a young couple in tank tops, shorts with tattoos all over their bodies. She looked at them, looked up at me, and then remarked rather loudly: Look, Auntie Iggy, they are Memo Pads! Yep, out of the mouth of an innocent child ~ they are indeed Memo Pads.

In my opinion you are trying to be a father, not a husband. Sit down by yourself in a quiet spot and write down all the reasons you wanted to spend the rest of your life with this woman, and all the things that you admired and respected about her. Take a few days to compile the list - pray and ponder. Wait a few more days after, then sit down again and write down what traits (reasons) have changed. Be brutely honest in this next part ~ ~ ~ Were any of the changes brought upon by you trying to exert your will and dominion over her? It would also be to both of your mutual benefit to read and study: Marriage and Family Relations https://www.lds.org/manual/marriage-and-family-relations-instructors-manual?lang=eng I prefer the Instructors manual - both I highly recommend BOTH of you read BOTH of them, and treat each other E Q U A L L Y !

When you go into online store you will be asked to sign in. IF you are not registered, then you will be prompted to do so. There you will be asked to enter your LDS membership number. If you don't know it, ask your Ward/Branch Clerk he will get it for you. Enter this number and you will them be allowed into the store. If you are Endowed, the church records will know this and you will be allowed into the restricted section of the online store - where you can purchase Ceremonial Clothing and garments. For a period of about two years I had an expired recommend, but I could still purchase garments, which I did. As soon as Hubby AND I were able to connect with both are Bishop and the Stake President, we got our recommends renewed. For us, the delay was due to timing. Hubby having to work Sundays and the nights that the SP was available at Church. For some reason, not having a valid recommend was as nerve racking/upsetting and stressful as when I was in hospital and they refused to let me wear my garments! I felt so spiritually UNPROTECTED - it felt akin to being publically nekked!

Sunday21, how do you do this? Put the, oops, think I accidentally found out how ~ @Sunday21 Yep, found out - Thanks for the help @Sunday21

Actually the sealing cancellation is valid only for you & her to marry. Re-read your letter to see if that is not true. When Hubby asked for a sealing cancellation, in the approval letter he received it was only valid for him to be sealed to me in the Temple, and we had to get that done within 30 days of receipt of said letter. Our Stake President got a letter telling him that Hubby received his approval. We had to go to the Stake President to get our papers to go to the Temple to be sealed. He handed us a calendar with the one month highlighted and told us to pick a day. Then we had to turn the letter from the 1st Presidency over to him. We were not allowed to keep it. I think that was also stated in the letter. We were a bit disappointed that we couldn't wait 2 more months to get sealed on the same day we had gotten our civil marriage. BUT we gladly picked a date and followed through. It took Hubby 1.5 years to get his sealing clearance. We were advised that it could take from one to ????? years to obtain one. The other party has to be found, questioned in an interview and give their consent. In Hubby's case the woman in question was very, very hard to find. When the Stake President told me why it was taking so long, I suggested that *they* look in the church records on excommunications, removed from records. That is where they finally found her. She had requested excommunication and got it. I also know a couple in which the sister requested to be un-sealed from her legally divorced 1st husband and the father of 4 of her children. [note, he legally gave up all parental rights to their children when he filed for divorce and the courts gave her everything] In the meantime she re-married an active, endowed, priesthood holder. In the 7 years it took for her to get the cancellation, they had 5 kids. They went to the Temple to not only be sealed together, but to have every single child sealed to them. They went about 3 months after I received my endowment, so I was able to go and be a witness [and to help with the children]. What an absolutely wonderful, exalting, spiritual, uplifting, glorious, day.

I'm assuming the OP is making a play on the word Court - as in tribunal. But within the LDS church it is actually called Church Disciplinary Councils.

Said *Tongue in Cheek* , correct Vort? Or InOtherWords, sarcastically? 'um, yep - totally TIC and sarcastically, because of the last 5 words. My here, I agree with Vort. As for your comment Kourt: Stake Presidents do NOT solely give temple recommends, the persons Bishop/Branch President interviews them FIRST, then along with the person's signature, they sign. THEN the person goes to an interview with the SP. Now for excommunication. The Stake President DOES NOT excommunicate. THAT process is a long and involved process involving a lot more Priesthood holding people. Let's get a little background information on Kourt okay? When, at what, age were you baptized into the LDS Church? Where are you from? What gender are you? Why am I asking these questions? Because there is something in his thread that just doesn't ring true with me, the gift of discernment that I have been given by God through the Holy Ghost is SCREAMING at me that this is not true. Yeah, the gift often comes across like the robot in the original Lost In Space - Danger, danger, danger. But to me as I read and re-read the OP It is SCREAMING Caution, caution, caution - there is the LDS talk, but NOT the LDS walk - caution, caution, caution.

Where in @pwrfrk's post did it say minister to all? What was posted was: To be very clear: pwrfrk, yes it is WRONG to confront the other person and TELL them their conduct is improper. @Fether: Where in Neil L. Anderson's talk does he say it is okay to Confront? I Ministering is in no way to be confrontational. In each and every one of those points, you DO NOT CONFRONT, you pray for, pray with, & love unconditionally. Right now, in my real life, I have made friends with a sister at church. She moved here about two years ago with her two youngest children, a daughter and son. Both were teens. She is an amazing woman in my eyes. She is a bricklayer, handy-woman (comes with an amazing array of power and hand tools and she knows how to use them) Her husband at first refused to give her a divorce, and she moved here 550 miles from him to get herself and the two teens away from him and his mistress, whom he had moved in with. They are all members of the church. She took all the money they had and invested it in a Do It Yourselfer home and then gutted the interior, room by room, and rebuilt/refurbished. 90% of the interior is reclaimed from other buildings that were going to be demolished. While this work was going on the three of them lived in a motor coach, using the bathroom in the house and the tiny kitchen in the mc. She struggles with the WOW - and of low self esteem. With the love she received from her sisters in Zion here in the branch, she garnered enough strength and courage to file for divorce and follow through. NOW, even though she was living here, she had to file from the county seat of where they had been living. So that meant she had to go there every three months to file each phase of the divorce papers. We all took care of her two teens while she was gone. She just recently applied for and received her state contractors license, so now she can do larger contractor jobs which means she can bid on them, charge more than the measly $15.00 an hour she had been charging, and begin the healthy process of getting out of debt. Never was it any of the Branch members responsibility to judge her, or to confront her regarding her not following the WOW. NOTE: She is not endowed, and she knows that unless she quits smoking totally, she cannot receive her endowments. She has not come to church the last two Sundays because she has been smoking more than the occasional cigarette a week. Me thinks it has been like up to a pack a week. She is stressed, her ex-husband has been calling their daughter to brag about all the material toys his new, much younger wife, much wealthier wife has been giving him. THIS stresses both the daughter and Mother tremendously. The way I minister to her and in a filter down way her daughter, is to shower them with UNCONDITIONAL love. and to leave the confronting & judgement to the Lord. She didn't come to church because she didn't feel worthy to take the Sacrament, and others would see that she wasn't and thus they would judge her. I told her that if she would come to church - whether she felt worthy or not, come - and I will sit in the back row with her where NO ONE can see if she takes the sacrament or not.

Click here: https://www.lds.org/youth/for-the-strength-of-youth?lang=eng , on the right under the picture of the SLC Temple is a link to download the For The Strength of the Youth pamphlet, down load it, then from the contents page click on Dress and Appearance, it is the last paragraph on page 7. The clip on earrings that Fether is talking about are called Ear Cuffs. They come in pierced and UNpierced styles: https://www.google.com/search?q=ear+cuff+earrings+for+unpierced+ears&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyyIbjufPbAhVVLX0KHStwBIEQsAQIxAI&biw=1920&bih=943

Unless the person is under the *umbrella* of your stewardship, you should NOT confront them. person0 - I would change your order of priorities to: God, Family, CHURCH, Employer. Then again to me, personally, God & Church go hand-in-hand. I know of one man who fell away from the church when he was a detective assigned to the Vice Squad. For way too many years he was under cover with-in a drug ring. When his wife divorced him and his Bishop came to him to discuss just how far down the slope of multiple sins he was traveling, he realized that it wasn't his 'mission' in life to catch the bad drug dudes. He spent many years fighting to come back into the "Light of God". Re-married his wife, and requested excommunication to wipe the slate clean, repented, was re-baptized and his priesthood keys were restored to him. He did however do a career change of sorts, he became a CHP officer. I have seen pictures of him, all in uniform sitting on his motorcycle. What a sight! ☺️ The ONLY person(s) in his life to confront him were his Wife, then his Bishop.