SilentOne

Having no chance of winning isn't sufficient reason for me to compromise my values and vote for someone who's values are aligned elsewhere.
How is it hurting my cause by not voting for someone who doesn't embrace my same values?
Or maybe I can't in good conscience vote for the two principle candidates and it has nothing to do with pride or feelings superior to others- and I wholeheartedly support whatever choice others make happy for the freedom we enjoy to vote for whomever we want.

Why is voting 3rd party "selfish and self-congratulatory"?
For me it's informed and true to my values. Why should I be shamed into voting for one of two people I find deplorable because the vast majority of the citizenry is convinced you have to be a elephant or an a.., er, donkey?
Maybe if more people took the time to research and vote for whomever truly comes closest to their values we wouldn't be in this current situation?

Maybe. But I see MGTOW as something far more insidious. Like feminism itself, MGTOW's foundational assumptions and claims are not completely specious; on the contrary, many such claims are exactly on the mark. This fact makes MGTOW, like feminism, more dangerous rather than more true.
It's easy to see the excesses and evils of feminism. Just look around. It's not as easy to see the evils of MGTOW, because our society is not yet conditioned to look for them. We may be with MGTOW today at the point that feminism was with the US population in the 1960s, with a lot of people nodding and saying, "You know, they have a point." Feminism has proven to be one of the most malignant societal cancers of our time; much of the corruption and decadence of today's United States can be laid at feminism's door. MGTOW, if left unchecked and unchallenged, will be as cancerous as feminism, and might well complete the evil that feminism began: The dissolution of the relationship between men and women, and the resulting utter destruction of the family. This is and always has been feminism's ultimate goal. Honestly, MGTOW is no different.
This is a bitter pill for me. I recognize the truths that MGTOW preaches, and some part of my mind and spirit rejoices that, finally, someone is willing to point and state openly that the emperor has no clothes. But mainstream MGTOWism is not merely a rejection of western feminism; it is a dismissal of the feminine altogether, a proclamation that women are nothing but vaginas to be used at will but never bonded to. Ironic, really. Modern feminism glorifies women as of inherent, intrinsic worth, requiring no other condition besides a vagina to be revered and protected, while MGTOW accepts the value of women as being that same vagina, and nothing more.
It's easy to say that feminism brought MGTOW on itself, but that's like saying your skin cancer brought on the bone cancer, so good riddance to both. As alluring as MGTOWism might be to many men, it is not the correct response to modern feminism. It is ultimately a furthering of the same evil that feminism represents.
We would never want our daughter or our sister or our wife or our mother to be treated as MGTOW often portrays. If we see women, even feminists, as sisters and daughters, we can perhaps see through MGTOW at what we should really be striving for.

I call ours the bookshelves.  Although my wife (the J.D. with an English undergrad and love for Shakespeare) would convert almost every room in the house into a library if she had her way.

Wish I could afford to have a library in my home…

Thanks – I appreciate your contribution.  I was born of goodly parents – actually 5 generations of exceptional parents.  I grew up thinking every family was like mine.  My parents would often refer to your picture but were adamant that it is not about where you came from, where you have been or even where you are – the only thing that is important and brings joy is the direction you are going.
I was also taught to never draw a line between good and evil – the reason is that we tend to think all is well as long as we stay on the good side of the line.  The great problem with that kind of thinking is that we tend to end up as close to the line as possible without crossing it.  And yet, if we happen to cross that line by the slightest bit we realize that things do not change so much and are just as okay as before – thus we end up inadvertently redrawing our line between good and evil – moving towards evil.
When we talk about such things, I become disappointed with the idea of perfect because it seems to me to be more about the destination than the journey.  Rather I like to think good is the direction into the light and to travel in any other direction is evil.  I attempt to employ this thinking when it comes to those struggling with dark things, weather it is the WOW, chastity, pride, LGBTQ+ or whatever – welcome to the path towards the light.  Let us all work towards the light and take the next step together.  
 
The Traveler

I think that is an apt analogy. It reminded me of Hugh B Brown's currant bush analogy. No matter how good we think we are or even truly are God wants something better for us. He knows our true potential and what it takes to get there.

Every once in a while, there seems to me to be a connection between things I thought completely unrelated.  Just a little background.   I am not a visionary person – I am more of a, have to see to believe person.  My wife has wanted to remodel our home for a long time – I could not see the point.  The house is a wonderful home.  The tile in the entry, front hall and kitchen my wife and I put down ourselves decades ago.  The cabinets in the kitchen we stained ourselves and added soft close hardware.  I like our house – it is a good house that our children were raised in and our youngest was born after we moved in.  We have been here 35+ years making upgrades.  But the wife wanted changes.
We are most of the way through this remodel.  I am starting to realize that remodeling a good home is a lot like a Latter-day Saint repenting.  Prior to starting all this the wife has been trying to convince me that a remodel would be a good thing.  It did not make a lot of sense to me, especially considering all the blood, sweat and tears shed doing all the little things we have done over the years.   She was talking about tearing down all the things we had worked so hard to do together.  She has been watching HGTV for years and now is telling me that we can open things up and let in a lot of light.  Then again things are not so important to me – so if it is important to her – let the remodeling begin.
By now, readers are likely wondering, how is remodeling like an LDS repentance?  We are told all the time that we should repent.  Why?  We work at our callings, we attend the temple, we volunteer for service, we don’t just try to be good neighbors – we love our neighborhood.  We don’t break the word of wisdom – I don’t even drink caffeine soda drinks.  We work out – we have repented of all the mistakes made raising our children – What’s left to repent of?  Ya, this is how I felt about remodeling our home.  It is okay the way it is – not just okay, it is a great home – I could live here till I die.  My wife has different ideas.
The first thing we had to do was get permits from the city.  They require that we hire an architect and a structural engineer to make sure everything is according to code. What happens next is to tear down everything on our main level – including a few walls.  When load bearing walls come down special beams have to be put into place and supports built in all the way down to the basement foundation.
Sometimes good LDS (Christians) have to be advised about improving through repentance.  Sometimes such advice is taken badly and those being advised call such reminders – shaming.  And anytime repentance takes place – we have to remove all the things getting in the way of repenting correctly.  Tearing things apart tends to make life difficult – even a bit miserable.  One example is that we only had one complete bathroom in the house, and it was in the basement as far from the bedrooms as possible.  There were things that still worked in some bathrooms, but a toilet did not work in one, sinks in another and the drains for everything but the bathtub (that no one ever uses) in another.  The kitchen and laundry are trashed but we have a makeshift in the basement.  Furniture is all moved to the garage or spare bedrooms (we do not know where anything is).  Living becomes somewhat inconvenient – just like repenting.
As we took down walls, we discovered lots of problems we did not know about – like some serious electrical problems and a leaky sewer pipe cultivating mold.  Just like repentance – once we get into it, we discover things that we did not realize needed fixing.  Nothing turns out to be as easy, cost or take the time we planned.
We just finished the primer coat of paint, and I am beginning to see things come together.  The wall of windows let in an amazing amount of light and the view of the mountains is worth it.  There is so much more light.  The wife removed the back staircase.  I kind of miss it, it is inconvenient to go all the way around to the front stairs but then be back stairs were not code.  Same with repentance – once we begin to see what is possible with change – we realize what a good thing it is.
Mostly we think of repenting to get rid of sins.  Martin Luther’s idea of repentance was to turn around and obtain a new point of view.  I am beginning to realize that we do not have to sin to repent.  We can repent just to make things better and get closer to G-d.
 
The Traveler

Clearly you haven't mastered human avoidance.  Try harder.  People never notice when I'm not there.  In fact, some might have a coronary if I were there.
(Also, I once tried to go there, but the minute I arrived, it became here.  After this happened many times in a row, I finally gave up on there altogether and decided to just stay here.)
 
PS: Lest you think you're all alone (which seems unlikely given your inability to avoid humans, but still), I'm with you in this - there should be a way to both not lie and be polite.  It likely requires practice, thinking fast on your feet, humility, and the pure love of Christ.  (In other words, I don't think it is necessary to lie to be polite.)

I'd really like to see what example of "hateful behavior" you're citing here.  It may very well be that the behavior you cite is something we would agree is very hateful.  And I'd point out that the few who behave this way are certainly not representative of the Christians we know.
It may also be that what you're calling "hateful" is simply expressing our own opinions and beliefs.  I don't see why anyone would consider the simple, logical, unemotional expression of our beliefs and stating facts as something to be called "hateful."
He didn't just say heterosexuality.  It is the one man, one woman, married nuclear family that he was describing.  And among the rising generation, that is now the minority.  About 85% of millennials and gen z say that marriage is not important to them.  And over 20% identify as non-binary.  And the adults are saying that there's nothing wrong with it.  So, no, it (the one man/one woman married nuclear family) is not the norm in our society.
Many people never get married.  Many others have children out of wedlock and separate or raise the child without marriage.  And a greater number of couples are LGBT unions.  And, of course, polyamory.
Simply telling someone that a certain practice would be a better alternative is not bigoted.  It is just as easily an earnest appeal to help someone become happier.
"Bigoted" must include a desire to "other" someone.  If telling someone to change their self-destructive behavior is "bigoted" then every parent worth their salt is "bigoted" against their own children.
So, which is more bigoted? Telling someone that their behavior is self-destructive and their lives would be better if they changed it?  Or telling someone that their rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of expression should be revoked because of their sincere beliefs?

I found the footnote about Ebenezer to be interesting. 
I had always thought of Samuel raising the stone as a symbol of our rededication.  The entire story of the Old testament and much of the Book of Mormon is the pride-prosperity cycle. It was our repentance and return to the Lord. We renew our covenants.
But the way the footnote describes it, it is not about our repentance.  It is about His grace in bringing us back to the fold.
Wow, what a powerful song.  I'm tearing up just quoting it.

My wife is the ward music director and she knew that I love this song so she is putting in the lineup for father’s day.
She wanted to make sure our organist was familiar with the music so she sent her the sheet music
Anyway, after the Sacrament meeting yesterday she started playing the music as the postlude.
And about half of the members started humming / singing the music.

I taught sunday school yesterday and played Think a sacred song and It is well with my soul while everyone filed in. I really like the new songs.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/release-of-new-hymnbook-begins-with-first-wave-of-13-songs
13 songs have been released:
Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing
When the Savior Comes Again
It Is Well With My Soul
I Will Walk With Jesus
His Eye Is on the Sparrow
Think a Sacred Song
As Bread is Broken
Bread of Life, Living Water
Gethsemane
Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise
He is Born, the Divine Christ Child
What Child is This?
Star Bright

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/release-of-new-hymnbook-begins-with-first-wave-of-13-songs
13 songs have been released:
Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing
When the Savior Comes Again
It Is Well With My Soul
I Will Walk With Jesus
His Eye Is on the Sparrow
Think a Sacred Song
As Bread is Broken
Bread of Life, Living Water
Gethsemane
Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise
He is Born, the Divine Christ Child
What Child is This?
Star Bright

I am especially pleased about What Child is this?. It's a favorite of mine.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Yes, I know. That was mentioned in my initial post. But since it's taco meat and I've never done that before and this forum doesn't have enough fun and I wanted to make a poll to show off my clever combinations of "tostada" and "taco", I'm rejecting calling it a "tostada" and insisting it be some combination of the two words.
(There may also be some effort here to avoid doing work...)

Lol, we’ve all proved his saying correct. No intelligent life here. 
 
😜 

@Jamie123 does have a point.  There seems to be so much conflicting information lately that our models of the universe are having problems.  One very important premise is that the universe is isotropic.  Well, it is, and it isn’t – sort of.   In effort to resolve discrepancies it has been determined that about 95% of our universe is made up of Dark Energy and Dark Matter.  It appears that this dark stuff is not consistent.  I find it quite interesting that a theory gaining traction is that the universe itself is kind of a living thing with intelligence. 
It is my perception that when the Messiah returns that the knowledge of the universe will be opened up and made known – like the opening of a scroll or book.  That the inconsistencies of our evolving understanding will be resolved.  I believe what is currently being manifested and the acceleration of our knowledge of things is a sign of the times.
I would add that it is quite astonishing to me that with all that we are learning and the information available – that the most simple observable things about humanity that we have easy access to everyday and that has been known for millennia (such as reproduction and sustainability of our species) is being needlessly confused with stuff that is utter nonsense.  And the excuse is that we should not hurt the feelings of those being the most confused.
It is rather interesting to me what we are willing to sacrifice on the alters of the g-ds we worship.
 
The Traveler

These days they're a lot better.  I think when you and I were children, they were nowhere near as accurate.  Still, there are days - like at the beginning of this month - when the forecast never, ever mentioned snoooooow, but...

Taser 99% of the time.

I would tell you my ratio, but division by zero is undefined.

I believe the original intent was somewhere in the midst of all those meanings.  But each word conjures up different roles -- all of which are correct.
It is somewhat an individual perception.  When I interpret it as "by way of" or even "through", I feel more of the "advocate with the Father" role.  But when I think of "because of" I get more of a sense of the Savoir role through His Atonement.  He made it possible.

Be Ye Therefore Perfect—Eventually
Jeffrey R. Holland