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  1. Some of the best people hurt the worst. Utterly tragic and so sad. https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postregister/obituary.aspx?n=kip-harris&pid=191224833&
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    Possible reasons why God does what He does

    Thanks @Anddenex Of course, i agree that the scribes and pharisees missed the boat when it came to accepting Jesus' message. But to be honest, i don't think it was a pricked conscience that made them do it. i'm just speaking for myself here - but to me, conscience is not the "why, how dare that arrogant itinerant prick of preacher!" feeling. It is the train of thoughts that flows through one's mind in the early morning hours when you say to yourself, "i know so-and-so said that God said this was right, but that's wrong!"
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    Possible reasons why God does what He does

    Just my opinion, but i've seen a couple things that seem to be huge factors in the reasons most people become atheists. One is the belief that God is behind everything that happens. So i guess i view this question as being one that one engages with at great risk. Or even most of the stuff that happens. i think that while God governs, His interventions are rare. At least the ones we are capable of comprehending. i know a woman - salt of the earth type - whose teenage daughter hung herself. The mother found her. And i remember her recalling that when it would have been happening, she felt nothing. No prompting to go and check. Totally, utterly, completely blindsided by it. And then i remember a few weeks after, sitting in a testimony meeting, and hearing a woman get up and bear testimony that after a stressful past few months, God had directed her down a street on which the perfect boat for their vacation was being sold for a good price. And she actually was very nice also. You could tell she absolutely believed it. And who among us hasn't had something like what happened to her happen to us? And i think that was when the idea that God really participates in our lives in the ways we attribute to Him died in me. There is a near death experience i've shared here where the person describes the whole universe as being governed by some kind of a beautiful math. And so i sometimes think that what we attribute to God is really just that equation in action. That perhaps God created the perfect equation, but then lets people, and cities, and nations, and the world feed into it what they will. All those inputs affect one another, and the equation itself is mercilessly brutal in it's operation - utterly oblivious to the individual human joy and tragedy it churns out. And that mercy and healing comes after it all ends, when we've (hopefully) learned something in the process. Or maybe have become something in the process. Or been carved out a little deeper in the process. Or something...i hope. i really do wonder what exactly will be left when the thread of brokenness that seems to run through people and time is gone. When all stuff by which we judge people is gone, and only that which actually was remains. i think it will look a lot different than it does now. The second one is illustrated better than i can say it by this quote. "Neither let thy cowardly conscience receive any word as light because another calls it light, while it looks to thee dark. Say either the thing is not what it seems, or God never said or did it. But, of all evils, to misinterpret what God does, and then say the thing as interpreted must be right because God does it, is of the devil. Do not try to believe anything that affects thee as darkness. Even if thou mistake and refuse something true thereby, thou wilt do less wrong to Christ by such a refusal than thou wouldst by accepting as his what thou canst see only as darkness. " - George MacDonald, Light: A Sermon At the end of the day - for me at least, i feel like God only knows exactly what God is, or what God is up to.
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    Nelson Strikes Again!

    @Jane_Doe and @The Folk Prophet - thank-you for your explanations. i see where you are coming from better. i'm just trying to understand, not challenge anyone. So sorry, no shots.
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    Nelson Strikes Again!

    i have been reading this thread with much fascination - and have a question. Is it's inappropriate, let me know, and i can delete it. But just wondering - is there a threshold for any of you at which you declare the organization of the Church to be in apostasy? Like when you would say, "they are going down the wrong path and i'm not going to agree with that". i don't know if such a threshold exists for most people who are active, or if it can ever be quantified for most if it does. i have noticed that at least in my case, i tend to place events in a context in which i am able to derive seemingly objective meanings that align with subjective feelings. And that when people say someone has been offended over a doctrine, or occurrence, or whatever, it's less that the person has become offended than that the person's frame of reference from which they interpret the meaning of things has shifted. It just seems that everyone to a degree hedges their bets - because everyone almost has to, since there is no single agreed upon point of appeal, that all frames of reference agree upon, that can be gone to to clarify points of confusion. Does everyone here see themselves as doing that? Or does nobody see themselves as doing that? And i'm really not trying to offend anyone here. if i did, tell @lostinwater they were stupid, and i'll gladly apologize .
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    Nelson Strikes Again!

    Just want to acknowledge this as being a step in the right direction (according to @lostinwater). i know a lot of people this will help. And any time someone gets helped in a way they otherwise wouldn't have - that needs to be appreciated. And by the way - word around internet-town is that it's also quite a bit shorter than it was....
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    When it ain't all smiles and sunshine

    Great points. Thank-you. And i meant my comment to be more about ungrateful little whelps like me, for a situation whose dynamics i can maybe, in a tiny way, understand - definitely didn't meant to come across as a criticism or even an attempt to give advice to those whose situational dynamics i know and understand exactly nothing about.
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    When it ain't all smiles and sunshine

    i find myself filled with a peculiar mix of surprise and amazement as i realize that most likely, my parents woke up most days, looked at one another and all their kids, and thought "What in the world did i get myself into? i never signed up for this. Nobody told me it was really going to be like *this*!" i don't know what the appropriate ratio of expressing appreciation to offering apologies is. But certainly, both are needed. Edit: i guess i meant to just say that any effort people who are married make, or people who have kids, regardless of ultimate outcome, ought to be acknowledged and appreciated for the massive outpouring of effort it is.
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    Thanks. No demands here. And in my quieter, calmer, clearer moments, i find myself fresh out of outrage, too. Because other than creating more of itself in all the wrong places, i haven't seen it do much that could be called good. But if there are people who are hurting and unhealthy, let me know how i can help, and i'll do my best. No litmus test for sexual preference, either. i'm just one rather insignificant person - and my ability to offer helpful words is pretty inconsistent - but i'll do what i can.
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    Thank-you. By healthy, i mean generally not suicidal, not addicted to drugs, not engaging in risky sexual behaviors, having huge numbers of partners, etc., - in my opinion, and from what i've seen, this is actually not uncommon. And i actually think the example of your friend's sister is a good one that illustrates that what the world would see as a homosexual living situation can actually be a lot more complex. But i guess i'm just saying that a same sex marriage is very often as much about sex as a heterosexual marriage is - meaning nowhere remotely close to 100%. Anyways, sorry if i didn't answer your question. That was all i was looking at doing. Not getting into another disagreement in which even agreeing to disagree is often lofty a goal.
  11. You might be saying this already, but i don't believe that mtDNA and the X Chromosome are really related. mtDNA exists outside the nucleus of a cell. For females, X chromosomes come from each parent, recombine, and then one of them is silenced. And in males, comes from their mother (where recombination did occur) - so not an unbroken line. At least this holds generally true unless you start talking about the various sex chromosome aneuploidies like Turners or Klinefelters. Though some recombination (or perhaps more accurately, translocation), between X and Y in males is not unheard of (example XX male, where SRY gene translocates from Y to X, and sets in motion the cascade of biological processes that result in male physical characteristics).
  12. At the risk of sounding obtuse, i am pretty sure news-worthiness is not a criteria used in selection of content to display on most news sites. The articles that lead to the most clicks right now and in the future get put up. And i could be misunderstanding, but does anyone's mtDNA or yDNA have a time to live of more than 1? Maybe, if you're really lucky, your child's mt/Y DNA is 100% like yours. But most likely, it is 100% less a handful of mutations. And if you don't have a male/female child, go a generation or two back, reversing those couple of mutations a couple times, and there is someone with your same mt/y DNA. Occasionally, you had a very successful combination of mutations, which were able to perpetuate - and those are the haplogroups. And i guess the problem with tracing anything back, is that you've got to decide where to stop natural processes and call in that which cannot be explained. Most Christians regress to back to mt-MRCA and call her Eve and to Y-MRCA and call him Adam before calling it a day. And scientists take that a lot further back - but eventually dead-end themselves, too. Or such is my understanding at least.
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    Investigator Question

    @Grunt It's very kind of you to care about your friend as you do. All this is just my opinion. i guess that's always true, but it feels correct to acknowledge it every time. If we are God's children (i assume your friend believes this), then unless God is the most narcissistic, self-serving, jerk of a parent, then your friend is not going to be consigned to hell for doing their best with the knowledge they have. It would be like a parent keeping notes on how many times a child fell down trying to learn to walk so they could punish them later. And not just punish them, but punish them without end. That isn't God. That's the idea used by enterprising churchmen to empty the pockets of their parishioners that's been peddled as something way above it's pay grade. If they draw closer to God by getting baptized, then go for it! i mean, isn't that what religion is for, anyways? Edit: if this is offensive in any way, please let me know, and i'll remove it. Wasn't my intent, but i can see how it might be.
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    Christmas Music

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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    Thanks @The Folk Prophet Maybe one day we'll be able to gaze into one another's hearts and each understand the other. Know that things are not at all how they appeared from the outside. But i doubt that anything like that will be made more likely by continuing this thread. Regardless, it's definitely not worthy of Christmas Eve. Anyways, Merry Christmas!