Grunt

So is lying, fraud, and breaking covenants.  Some people prosecute the sins of others.  Some people defend them. 

She’s doing great!   After meeting her, it’s disappointing that she isn’t allowed here anymore.  
 
She brought her family and they were awesome to visit with.  

Wonderful!  Please do!  I hope all is well with her, her family, and her pens!   I miss seeing her on here.

I'm going to church with Antatess tomorrow.  I'll tell her you said hello.

I'm going to church with Antatess tomorrow.  I'll tell her you said hello.

Finally got around to watching this movie.  It's sad how many people (myself included) just go about their lives uninvolved in the suffering of those around them.  We just don't get fired up as long as our cell phone and internet works.

Finally got around to watching this movie.  It's sad how many people (myself included) just go about their lives uninvolved in the suffering of those around them.  We just don't get fired up as long as our cell phone and internet works.

If I were woke, I'd take offense to that.  Aren't you glad you're not talking to a woke Asian?

I trust God knows what He's doing.  I'm not interested in demographic pandering just for the sake of it.
 
It certainly reads that way to me.
 

Ok @old, I'm calling it.  We've let you have a good 6 pages of venting your issues about your ward and it's members, and your leadership.   I'll go ahead and close this thread now, I think everyone has had ample opportunity to weigh in, not only on the thread topic, but also your personal story.  Again, I'm not judging here, but I will take the opportunity to remind everyone of site rule #1, which everyone agreed to in order to post here:
 
If you feel like you still need a platform from which to voice your grievances anonymously and publicly, I can forward you to mormondialogue.org, which has no such rule.  But consider yourself put on notice, we're done with the bishop and SP bashing, and the theology and doctrine 2nd guessing. 
 

I've met a few people from this group that we don't see anymore.   I'm still a newb, though.

The Saints will be required to give all they have. All. There are no exceptions. Their fortune, their family, their very lives will be required at the hand of God. Just as certainly as Christ told the rich young man to give all he had to the poor and follow him, and just as surely as king Lamoni's father offered not only his sins, but all he had, even to forsake his kingdom—an offering he was in fact required to make—and just as surely as Christ required Amulek to forsake his fortune, his family, and his very life (only the last of which he was saved from), so Christ will require us to offer everything we have and everything we are on the altar of his worship.
Those who fail to give all, those who value possessions or titles or honor or glory of the world or even their own parents or siblings or spouses or children above Christ, will lose their exaltation and will instead receive what they are willing to receive. Those who are faithful despite their own weaknesses and imperfection will gain all that the Father hath, and in the end they will find that they lost nothing—unless you consider the abandonment of venality, pridefulness, selfishness, and corruption to be a loss.
Don't think you will escape the test of sacrifice. You will not. Embrace it. Thank God for it. Then live it.

100%.  Oddly, it's those who don't even attempt to keep their covenants, or have never made them, that seem to be the most vocal about the Church and those in it who are just trying to find their way.

It is worth it.
I trust in God that much. I trust accountability will be just.
How can one believe otherwise in today's world?
Either God is just or He is not.
The plain fact is that the garbage is unavoidable. And it's going to get worse. And worse. And worse.
It legitimately and truly frightens me, in particular for my children.
I'm going to run from it too...as much as possible, and as much as it doesn't mean betraying the covenants I made, which matter more to me than anything else.

I wrote up a large reply, but the more I consider the more I'm just not sure replying is going to be of much use. You don't seem to understand the import of covenants. Short of encouraging you to research and understand better... I'm just not sure what I can say. And saying more is probably only likely to offend further.
But as a starting point here's a link, as a reminder, that explains what covenants are made in the endowment, for example.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-endowment?lang=eng
Moreover, you're clearly struggling with faith and testimony. 
The church is true or it isn't. What people do in a ward or stake doesn't change that. You need to know that core thing. I encourage you to find out through study, prayer, and faith.
Beyond that, best wishes in your endeavors.

@old, clearly your experience in the Church and in the world has been very, very different to mine, so that we can read the same words and understand them very differently.  The Church you describe is nothing like the Church I've been going to for over 5 decades (my entire life).  I sincerely wish you all the best in your walk with God.

I don't believe this statement is correct.  There may be some members of the Church who think and teach this - like the ones in your ward - but I don't see this teaching coming from the First Presidency or the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.  If someone can find a citation otherwise, one that I can go and read for myself, I'd like to read it.
IMO, right now there's a struggle in the Church with members who cannot figure out what to say or how to say it and who fear to offend man more than they fear to offend God.  But that's some members, not all, and not the leading quorums of the Church.

Would that members would stay and be the faithful resistance.  If not strong enough for that, would that they make the sacrifice, with faith, of finding and then moving to a place where the saints were faithfully striving to follow the Lord (even if that exercise takes years of searching and planning).  If those who believe in the doctrine (?) just leave the Church (don't understand how such a person could, but that doesn't mean they can't), that doesn't help anyone but Satan.
There's the gospel, there's the Church, and there are the people in the Church.  The first two require your testimony, the last of the three are flawed and you shouldn't put faith in them, though we are obligated to sustain our leaders unless they are leading the members astray.
The Church is where the priesthood, keys, ordinances, and covenants reside.  You cannot get these anywhere else and these are critical parts of Christ's teachings and gospel - were they not, why should He have restored the Church?  Go away from the Church and soon enough your faith in the restored gospel, in prophets and apostles, in the Book of Mormon will start to dwindle.  I'm sure one can delay this by daily study in the Book of Mormon and General Conference talks, and with sincere fasting and prayer.  One can continue in the home to use the Come, Follow Me and other programs (freely available to all on the web and in apps).  But eventually, you will lose temple access, and that will hurt.  Eventually, being unable to partake of the sacrament will hurt.
Were it me suffering the persecution described, I would first do all that I described above, without leaving the Church - fasting, prayer, repentance, daily time in the Book of Mormon, GC, bearing testimony (nothing like bearing testimony to bring the Spirit), and as much time in the temple as I could manage.  I would do all that to strengthen and humble1 myself and my family and to receive direction from the Lord.  I would try to open my heart to every possibility so that I could receive that direction.  Then I'd do as the Lord instructed, or my best judgement until he instructed.
1One thing that has stood out from this round of studying the Book of Mormon with Jamie is that when division began within the Church, the faithful were always humble and submitted to the persecution at first, until the leadership came in and set things right - or the Lamanites showed up to war.  Since the BofM is for us, I think we should try to follow every lesson therein.
But that's today me.  20-something me might well have gone inactive (or my stubborn streak might have kicked in and I might have gone up every fast Sunday and called everyone to repentance - heaven knows).

What would happen if he didn't sustain the Bishop or Stake President.   If, during his Temple Recommend interview, he answered positively to everything except that, then explained why?

ETA:  Now I'm curious and need to start reading.   I've never encountered this.

Wait.....having an MBA makes me an academic?  Hot diggity dog!

Yeah.  I always say "see below" if I want them to read the email.

100%.  Oddly, it's those who don't even attempt to keep their covenants, or have never made them, that seem to be the most vocal about the Church and those in it who are just trying to find their way.

If nothing else, it would initiate a potentially interesting discussion.  Were I going to do that, and I'm the sort of person who just might, I would go armed with the Family Proclamation and having dug up those scriptures (particularly from the New Testament) about leaders who aren't doing their duty.
My guess is that it would result in your temple recommend not being renewed - assuming the Bishop and Stake President support the ideas in question - that's not entirely clear to me.  (Really, nothing about this situation is entirely clear to me.  I'm not in favor of members "kicking people out of the Church" just because they suffer from sins, temptations, and weaknesses we don't like; but I'm also not in favor of tolerating or staying silent when members teach, promote, or "celebrate" things that are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.)

What would happen if he didn't sustain the Bishop or Stake President.   If, during his Temple Recommend interview, he answered positively to everything except that, then explained why?

ETA:  Now I'm curious and need to start reading.   I've never encountered this.

What would happen if he didn't sustain the Bishop or Stake President.   If, during his Temple Recommend interview, he answered positively to everything except that, then explained why?

ETA:  Now I'm curious and need to start reading.   I've never encountered this.