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https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/abortion This is all I found. I’ve never heard a GC talk about it (I’m not saying they don’t exist!) or a local one about it either. I do think the church paid more attention to gay marriage than abortion. It’s not a perfect saying but roughly I think gay marriage is to the LDS church what abortion is to the Catholic church.

Even discussing abortion brings out the worst in people. Want to see hedonistic selfishness? Talk to a hardcore pro chocier. Want to see priggish self righteousness? Talk to a hardcore pro lifer (even the non religious ones!). This could get ugly fast.

I didn’t really give the drawing that close of an examination. In fact, at first glance I thought YOU did it because it looked like the ones you do with fountain pens, lol!!!!!

Abortion is such a loaded topic that there is no chance whatsoever of this happening. Even abrasive political junkies like me don’t like discussing it unless I’m with my close friends.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem You are the conductor of a runaway trolley. You have to kill either five people or one. It’s all rhetorical of course but you can a have a fascinating discussion with friends about ethics. Done so many time. I’ll let @NeuroTypical take it from here.

Ironically in my business I see people who think they are geniuses get fleeced by guys who they thought couldn’t tie their shoes. It’s sort of cute, really!

Boom! Same here. I’m a Ronald Reagan conservative who would like my president to not get into twitter wars at 3:00 AM. So by todays standards, I’m a RINO.

I’m not sure anyone has had their mind changed after a debate. Especially an online one on such a loaded topic.

Do you have any idea how chilling this sounds? Who decides who is “stupid”? You? Ironically one of the most amusing ways to show the world that you have limited brainpower is by telling them that you think everyone is stupid.

Understand. Just to be clear, I think everyone here would give their lives to fight Nazism. So it’s not personal.

I totally agree with you there. 100%.

It might be, but rhetoric means nothing to the Jewish people that died. You sort of insinuated libertarians would be down with doing nothing while history showed that it was a Christian church that did exactly that. I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow. And yes, not every Catholic would have done the same thing. But you can’t change history.

I totally agree. Generally speaking you’ll see in others what you struggle with. If you struggle with lust, you think everyone does. If your heart is full of anger and hate, you’ll see that in everyone too.

I’m still not sure we’re bitterly divided. When I go out to Gators games, Disney and just around town I see people of all political stripes and ethnicities doing mutually enjoyable activities with one another. If we were truly divided that wouldn’t happen. Like all of us I’m a social media user big time but the world is nowhere near as divided as we see it.

You know me @Just_A_Guy, I don’t speak for all libertarians. But your question is dangerous one for religious people to ask. I’d be stunned if any libertarian endorsed murder. However, and since you brought it up, I’ll go there. Given that some churches WERE complicit in the holocaust or at the very least knew about it and did nothing (Google Pope Pious XII holocaust letter) I’d be far more likely to trust libertarians than churches with the life of Jews. Now, having said that, I have never seen an anti Semitic LDS person in my life. So I exclude the LDS church in what I just said. And yes, the majority of Christians are not anti Jewish. But if you ask me who I trust more with the safety of the jews-your average mainstream Christian church or Russell Nelson, it would be our prophet 100% of the time.

Ohio voters endorsed abortion rights. Latest election poll data: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

Nope. The justices that did overturn it were nominated by….republicans. Republicans wanted it decided by the states for years. There was a ton of people who voted for Trump strictly over the supreme court. They weren’t democrats. Republicans got exactly what they wanted. Charming. If someone said that about the right you’d play the victim in five seconds and talk about how vulgar it was. But you won’t admit it.

If that’s your hill I understand totally. The only word of caution I would offer is that your cause goes nowhere if you continue to lose. I’m with the WSJ 100% on this.

They made a huge mistake by overturning RvW and making it go “back to the states.” They energized the democrats better than Barack Obama did in 2008. Republicans found out that poking a bear with a stick isn’t the smartest thing to do. The bear has been mauling them lately.

There were republicans who warned everyone about this way back in 2016. No one listened.

Which is odd, given that Mormonism is (arguably) the most American faith.

Co-signed

You can also combine the two. I think I’ve “read” the entire BOM while running and working out via audiobook. I never touch weights though. Herschel Walker was right there.

I get the feeling you and I would get along really well because I also love to work out. I can totally see being obsessed it with it-I was obsessed with martial arts and hiking too about twenty years ago. Often I’d use vacation days at work to hike, go to karate six times a week, etc. I’d also run a lot too. I love your commitment, but it will have a price. You’ll begin to get so full of yourself and fascinated by your own abilities that it’ll stunt your growth in other areas. Believe me, I speak from experience. Do you think you could use your commitment and drive and commit to serving a mission? Or at least trying to serve a mission?

Oh, agree fully.