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I’m not sure anyone has had their mind changed after a debate. Especially an online one on such a loaded topic.

Do you have any idea how chilling this sounds? Who decides who is “stupid”? You? Ironically one of the most amusing ways to show the world that you have limited brainpower is by telling them that you think everyone is stupid.

Understand. Just to be clear, I think everyone here would give their lives to fight Nazism. So it’s not personal.

I totally agree with you there. 100%.

It might be, but rhetoric means nothing to the Jewish people that died. You sort of insinuated libertarians would be down with doing nothing while history showed that it was a Christian church that did exactly that. I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow. And yes, not every Catholic would have done the same thing. But you can’t change history.

I totally agree. Generally speaking you’ll see in others what you struggle with. If you struggle with lust, you think everyone does. If your heart is full of anger and hate, you’ll see that in everyone too.

I’m still not sure we’re bitterly divided. When I go out to Gators games, Disney and just around town I see people of all political stripes and ethnicities doing mutually enjoyable activities with one another. If we were truly divided that wouldn’t happen. Like all of us I’m a social media user big time but the world is nowhere near as divided as we see it.

You know me @Just_A_Guy, I don’t speak for all libertarians. But your question is dangerous one for religious people to ask. I’d be stunned if any libertarian endorsed murder. However, and since you brought it up, I’ll go there. Given that some churches WERE complicit in the holocaust or at the very least knew about it and did nothing (Google Pope Pious XII holocaust letter) I’d be far more likely to trust libertarians than churches with the life of Jews. Now, having said that, I have never seen an anti Semitic LDS person in my life. So I exclude the LDS church in what I just said. And yes, the majority of Christians are not anti Jewish. But if you ask me who I trust more with the safety of the jews-your average mainstream Christian church or Russell Nelson, it would be our prophet 100% of the time.

Ohio voters endorsed abortion rights. Latest election poll data: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

Nope. The justices that did overturn it were nominated by….republicans. Republicans wanted it decided by the states for years. There was a ton of people who voted for Trump strictly over the supreme court. They weren’t democrats. Republicans got exactly what they wanted. Charming. If someone said that about the right you’d play the victim in five seconds and talk about how vulgar it was. But you won’t admit it.

If that’s your hill I understand totally. The only word of caution I would offer is that your cause goes nowhere if you continue to lose. I’m with the WSJ 100% on this.

They made a huge mistake by overturning RvW and making it go “back to the states.” They energized the democrats better than Barack Obama did in 2008. Republicans found out that poking a bear with a stick isn’t the smartest thing to do. The bear has been mauling them lately.

There were republicans who warned everyone about this way back in 2016. No one listened.

Which is odd, given that Mormonism is (arguably) the most American faith.

Co-signed

You can also combine the two. I think I’ve “read” the entire BOM while running and working out via audiobook. I never touch weights though. Herschel Walker was right there.

I get the feeling you and I would get along really well because I also love to work out. I can totally see being obsessed it with it-I was obsessed with martial arts and hiking too about twenty years ago. Often I’d use vacation days at work to hike, go to karate six times a week, etc. I’d also run a lot too. I love your commitment, but it will have a price. You’ll begin to get so full of yourself and fascinated by your own abilities that it’ll stunt your growth in other areas. Believe me, I speak from experience. Do you think you could use your commitment and drive and commit to serving a mission? Or at least trying to serve a mission?

Oh, agree fully.

I’ve actually been thinking about that! Of course I think we should pray for one another. Like 99% of us here I think prayer works, have asked for prayers, given them-all that. So I don’t know what exactly “spiritual protection” really entails. I totally agree with your President Nelson quote. How’s this-I have great confidence in the saints to be smart enough to see false teachings. Even young people.

I’m so sorry you had to see that. Awful.

I totally agree there.

I get that. The “death by a thousand cuts thing.” I don’t fully agree but I understand where you are coming from.

I don’t think the average LDS needs the spiritual protection any of us here. Isn’t it sort of snotty and condescending of us to think they do? Most don’t fall for the :: ahem :: “teachings” of Denver Snuffer or that crazy lady who killed her kids. Same with political issues. Go to a ward in Utah and start arguing for gay marriage. You probably won’t get very far.

In my time in church I‘ve heard one speech that local leadership was worried about-and they were exactly right. The lady at a stake conference babbled about new age stuff and said other things that were flat out wrong. The SP gave a talk about it the next week. Other than that, no one has ever given a talk in church where they blaspheme from the pulpit. Never. I’d let the leadership decide when it’s time to protect the flock. It’s their job, not ours. I can’t shake the thought that “protecting the flock” really means “critiquing everyone who disagrees with me because if you don’t agree with me on everything, you must be evil.”

Okay. That has nothing at all to do with Hamas-Israel, but okay.