NeuroTypical

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    NeuroTypical reacted to LDSGator in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    Same. I’ve only met one openly liberal faithful LDS. A former democratic congressmen. I’ve never met an LGBT active member. 
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    NeuroTypical reacted to mordorbund in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    If they aren't canonized then how would you know if Joseph, Brigham, or Russell received one? The point was that Joseph received "thus saith the Lord" revelations and they were never presented to the Church for a sustaining vote. If Joseph Smith were alive today you would have the same concern.
    I'll state again that I think it's worth checking our assumptions about what constitutes "revelation" versus "inspiration". I think the fact that Joseph's revelations needed editing before publication shows that there's a level of wiggle room even for "thus saith the Lord" revelations. And baptisms for the dead seemed to progress as they were practiced. I don't think revelation is as strong as you think it is, nor inspiration as weak as you think it is.
    No, I'm suggesting that just because we do not have the text of a revelation that does not mean that the revelation did not happen. The testimony of the apostles present make it clear that the lifting of the temple and priesthood ban came about because of revelation. The canonized record is the conclusion of such a meeting and not the revelation itself. That does not discount that a revelation was had. I do believe, and am suggesting that properly run council meetings become conduits of revelation and meeting minutes should reflect that. Joseph seemed to think the Lord sustained the high council's decisions enough to warrant including them in the Doctrine and Covenants. And although the practice of baptisms for the dead are mentioned in a revelation, the proper execution of the ordinance is explained in epistles -- not textual revelations. If Joseph Smith were alive today you would have the same concern.
    On the contrary, I believe there have been. I don't think they've warranted canonizing in the Doctrine and Covenants. I've seen saints stare in confusion when they read D&C 16 after reading D&C 15. What percentage of the D&C should we devote to the thousands of mission calls extended every year? Should we plan on adding a fresh revelation every time the First Presidency is reorganized? You'll notice the Doctrine and Covenants starts out with many revelations giving specific assignments to specific individuals, but once the assignment has been outlined the assignment revelations fade out. If Joseph Smith were alive today you would have the same concern.
    I think that's debatable.
    Let me see if I can make my point clearer. President Nelson, in his inaugural talk as prophet, says
    The word of the Lord came unto me and said, My servant Russell, I have heard thy petitions and thou hast found favor in my sight this day. Inasmuch as you have sought my will concerning who should serve as your counsellors, verily I say unto thee that thou shalt appoint from thy fellow-servants Dallin H. Oaks and Henry B. Eyring; This is my word and will for the First Presidency. And now, as for thy concern over who shall sit among thy brethren the apostles, thus saith the Lord, Gerrit W. Gong and Ulisses S. Soares have I called for this work; And they shall serve as special witnesses to my name and testify of me. I will be with them and with thee in thy councils with the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve. If ye will gather in my name, esteeming thy brother as thyself, then I will pour my power upon thee that thou shalt speak by the power of the Holy Ghost.
    President Nelson would either have to speak like this his entire talk, or find a way to smoothly transition to it. This style seems to have fallen out of the common tongue early in the 20th century. Instead he said the following:
    I testify that the Lord instructed me to select President Dallin H. Oaks and President Henry B. Eyring to serve as my counselors in the First Presidency.
    In like manner, I testify that the Lord inspired the call of Elder Gerrit W. Gong and Elder Ulisses Soares to be ordained as His Apostles. I and we welcome them to this unique brotherhood of service.
    When we convene as a Council of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve, our meeting rooms become rooms of revelation. The Spirit is palpably present. As we wrestle with complex matters, a thrilling process unfolds as each Apostle freely expresses his thoughts and point of view. Though we may differ in our initial perspectives, the love we feel for each other is constant. Our unity helps us to discern the Lord’s will for His Church.
    In our meetings, the majority never rules! We listen prayerfully to one another and talk with each other until we are united. Then when we have reached complete accord, the unifying influence of the Holy Ghost is spine-tingling! We experience what the Prophet Joseph Smith knew when he taught, “By union of feeling we obtain power with God.” No member of the First Presidency or Quorum of the Twelve would ever leave decisions for the Lord’s Church to his own best judgment!
    President Nelson quoted the Lord directly using more modern language and you missed it. "[T]he Lord instructed me to ...." I wonder if there's something specific you're looking for that's blinding you to what's already in front of you.
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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from Jamie123 in Tasteless and offensive joke that no decent human being would ever laugh at   
    Why did @Vort go fishing?
    Just for the halibut.
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Carborendum in Eclipse   
    Travel there was not too bad.  Google rerouted us a couple of times to shorten our travel.  Instead of the predicted 2:30h trip, it was about 2:50. We stopped by the Target for a pit stop.  The bathrooms were fine. The parking lot was normal -- nowhere near full.  It was about what you'd expect on a Monday morning. We went to a city park just south of the freeway from there.  The parking lot was nearly full.  But we managed to park two cars.  Plenty of room to layout and get a table. I got several shots at different stages.  And I got the perfect video of the totality.  I'll post when I'm at an appropriate interface. The cloud cover was actually the perfect level for photography. I happened to switch to video just as the last crescent was showing.  Then the totality. The red dot was, indeed a solar flare or sunspot.  There was a professional eclipse chaser at the park about 40 ft from our table.  My 12 y.o. liked his scope setup and got curious. They traded contact info and now, this man ("Lloyd") is going to be a distance mentor for my son on the subject of astronomy. The trip home was horrendous.  We thought we'd miss rush hour.  But there were major accidents on every route home.  That delayed us long enough that we hit rush hour.  Then that slowed us down to get us home in 4 hours.  But that was soon enough to get my visiting BIL to the airport, just in the nick of time. My wife had told me that the few minutes of totality would be like nighttime.  Not really.  It was like late twilight. But it was dark enough that the park's automatic lamps turned on.
    I often wonder why there is a difference between seeing photos or video vs actually being there in person.  The actual event as a memory frozen in time is no different to me.  But the overall experience is different.  When we were there we had to deal with the clouds on again - off again behavior.  We were afraid that the 3 to 4 minutes of totality would be denied us.  But there was a happy medium that was better than we expected just as the totality occurred.  That slight layer of clouds made it perfect.  Then there were the interactions we had because "an event" was happening.  We simply wouldn't interact that way if it was just a photo or video.
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Carborendum in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    If I were to make a rough guess, I'd say that I've given close to 1000 blessings in my life.  Healing, comfort, promise of blessings, & prophecy.
    Of those, I'd guess about 10% were very clear blessings where I KNEW there was power there.  About 10% were clearly empty.  I was "practicing the forms without the power."  Finally, the great majority were something in between.  I really couldn't tell.  I didn't necessarily feel like there was power there.  But it also didn't feel empty.
    As you can imagine, those where I clearly felt the power -- these were always fulfilled.  Those where I knew were empty were never fulfilled.  Of the remaining?  Maybe 50% if I'm lucky were fulfilled.
    I think you can draw some parallels.
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Jamie123 in Tasteless and offensive joke that no decent human being would ever laugh at   
    What did one earwig say to the other earwig when they both fell of the wall for the tenth time that day?
    Earwig go again!
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    NeuroTypical reacted to mordorbund in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    AskGramps posted some thoughts on this subject. In summary:
    1. Not all of Joseph Smith's revelations were canonized (either narrowly-scoped, redundant, or the revelation simply wasn't recorded) and many of today's revelations are of the same sort
    2. You seem to draw a distinction between "thus saith the Lord" revelation and "inspiration". When Elijah (representative of "the Prophets") receives revelation as "a still small voice", I think it's worth checking our assumptions about what constitutes "revelation" versus "inspiration".
    3. Even meeting minutes are records of revelatory experience. One example has even been canonized.
    4. Elder Widtsoe classified latter-day revelation as "foundation" - doctrines and Church offices that need to be revealed only once -- and "daily guidance" which has the narrower scope -- given for a specific circumstance, time, or person.
    Gramps concludes that if Joseph Smith were alive today you would likely find yourself asking the same question of him.
    I would add that given the decline of biblical literacy in recent history, modern revelations are not going to be couched in King James formatting. Instead of "thus saith the Lord" we may instead hear something more like:
     
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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    There's also a hefty dose of good old fashioned Old Testament-ey prophetic warnings and calls to action in it:
    The forces working against the family are pretty much everywhere now.  Plenty of voices decrying outdated European models based on an oppressive patriarchy, plenty of sympathetic ears.
     
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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from Maverick in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    There's also a hefty dose of good old fashioned Old Testament-ey prophetic warnings and calls to action in it:
    The forces working against the family are pretty much everywhere now.  Plenty of voices decrying outdated European models based on an oppressive patriarchy, plenty of sympathetic ears.
     
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Vort in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    A distinction without a difference.
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Maverick in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    No, it isn’t. Boyd K. Packer said in Conference back in 2013, I believe, that it should be considered a revelation, but then in the printed version of the talk it was changed to “inspired council.”
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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from LDSGator in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    There's also a hefty dose of good old fashioned Old Testament-ey prophetic warnings and calls to action in it:
    The forces working against the family are pretty much everywhere now.  Plenty of voices decrying outdated European models based on an oppressive patriarchy, plenty of sympathetic ears.
     
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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from Carborendum in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    There's also a hefty dose of good old fashioned Old Testament-ey prophetic warnings and calls to action in it:
    The forces working against the family are pretty much everywhere now.  Plenty of voices decrying outdated European models based on an oppressive patriarchy, plenty of sympathetic ears.
     
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Jamie123 in Tasteless and offensive joke that no decent human being would ever laugh at   
    What do you call a woman who throws all her bills onto the fire?
    Bernadette
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    NeuroTypical reacted to LDSGator in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    My question is ignorant and I apologize for it, but is the family proclamation also considered revelation? 
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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from Maverick in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    It's a fine question.  I think one without any doctrinal answer, but one we can speculate and opine about.
    I think about dispensations and folks setting off into new uncharted territory needing guidance from the Lord.  We are a relatively young restored church - a scant 200 years.  The restoration kicked off something that doesn't need a bunch of changes.  The D&C is a record of those changes. 
    I think about how things get canonized, sometimes a lifetime or three after the record is actually made.  It makes me wonder, as the Proclamation on the Family approaches turning 30, if it might become part of the D&C eventually. 
    I also think about Enos, Jarom, and Omni, books documenting ~300 years of BoM history, and how they get only 3 short chapters.  Enos gains a solid testimony.  The Lamanites resist missionary efforts. Prophets keep prophesying same old stuff. Oh look, it's Zarahmelans.  3 centuries, that's it.  
    Omni gets 3 verses.  One verse saying "I'm writing something because my dad told me to."  One saying "I fought a lot, and wasn't a good person."  One saying "Lotta peace, lotta war, nothing much else to say. Wrote this down because it's tradition, so here's my son Amaron for you."   Amaron's record is equally as short and unremarkable.  Holy, sacred scripture at it's most routine and unremarkable.  Omni certainly didn't think anything about him or his record should have been thought of as holy or precious, other than he was an unimportant part of an important story.
    It makes me think about what 2020-2024 would look like in scripture.  "A new plague crossed the entire world and killed many of the old and sick.  In the church, there were some disputations about how the sickness should be dealt with, but mostly the saints did their best to practice their religion in safety.  I, Russel M. Nelson, being a doctor by trade, urged the world to receive a medicine, but nevertheless to love all no matter their choice.  The sickness did not stop us from our missionary work, nor did it slow our work of building new temples at a fast pace across the world.  Nevertheless, the dark one took advantage of the disruptions caused by the sickness, sowing much confusion and dissention among the children of men, with some men crying "lo, I am a woman", and others crying "because of injustice of one, it is not just to be subject to laws enforced by many".  And these notions did confuse and anger many, including amongst the saints."   A heck of a lot more interesting than Omni, if you ask me.  
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Traveler in Eclipse   
    The wife and I went to visit our daughter and family in Indianapolis to experience the eclipse.  The last bit of it may still be going on but the totality is over.  It has been worth the trip.  My iPhone camera did not work well at all.  As long as just one point of the sun was exposed the amount of light was amazing and is most likely why iPhone camera will not work.  Totality is a little creepy.
    I am impressed that in the search for extraterrestrial life there has not been another planet located with a moon large enough and in the right place  so that anyone can experience an eclipse anywhere except on this earth.   So I got to experience something quite rare in this universe.
     
    The Traveler
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    Also, folks in Florida be like:

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    Also, folks in Florida be like:

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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from LDSGator in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    It's a fine question.  I think one without any doctrinal answer, but one we can speculate and opine about.
    I think about dispensations and folks setting off into new uncharted territory needing guidance from the Lord.  We are a relatively young restored church - a scant 200 years.  The restoration kicked off something that doesn't need a bunch of changes.  The D&C is a record of those changes. 
    I think about how things get canonized, sometimes a lifetime or three after the record is actually made.  It makes me wonder, as the Proclamation on the Family approaches turning 30, if it might become part of the D&C eventually. 
    I also think about Enos, Jarom, and Omni, books documenting ~300 years of BoM history, and how they get only 3 short chapters.  Enos gains a solid testimony.  The Lamanites resist missionary efforts. Prophets keep prophesying same old stuff. Oh look, it's Zarahmelans.  3 centuries, that's it.  
    Omni gets 3 verses.  One verse saying "I'm writing something because my dad told me to."  One saying "I fought a lot, and wasn't a good person."  One saying "Lotta peace, lotta war, nothing much else to say. Wrote this down because it's tradition, so here's my son Amaron for you."   Amaron's record is equally as short and unremarkable.  Holy, sacred scripture at it's most routine and unremarkable.  Omni certainly didn't think anything about him or his record should have been thought of as holy or precious, other than he was an unimportant part of an important story.
    It makes me think about what 2020-2024 would look like in scripture.  "A new plague crossed the entire world and killed many of the old and sick.  In the church, there were some disputations about how the sickness should be dealt with, but mostly the saints did their best to practice their religion in safety.  I, Russel M. Nelson, being a doctor by trade, urged the world to receive a medicine, but nevertheless to love all no matter their choice.  The sickness did not stop us from our missionary work, nor did it slow our work of building new temples at a fast pace across the world.  Nevertheless, the dark one took advantage of the disruptions caused by the sickness, sowing much confusion and dissention among the children of men, with some men crying "lo, I am a woman", and others crying "because of injustice of one, it is not just to be subject to laws enforced by many".  And these notions did confuse and anger many, including amongst the saints."   A heck of a lot more interesting than Omni, if you ask me.  
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    NeuroTypical got a reaction from zil2 in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    It's a fine question.  I think one without any doctrinal answer, but one we can speculate and opine about.
    I think about dispensations and folks setting off into new uncharted territory needing guidance from the Lord.  We are a relatively young restored church - a scant 200 years.  The restoration kicked off something that doesn't need a bunch of changes.  The D&C is a record of those changes. 
    I think about how things get canonized, sometimes a lifetime or three after the record is actually made.  It makes me wonder, as the Proclamation on the Family approaches turning 30, if it might become part of the D&C eventually. 
    I also think about Enos, Jarom, and Omni, books documenting ~300 years of BoM history, and how they get only 3 short chapters.  Enos gains a solid testimony.  The Lamanites resist missionary efforts. Prophets keep prophesying same old stuff. Oh look, it's Zarahmelans.  3 centuries, that's it.  
    Omni gets 3 verses.  One verse saying "I'm writing something because my dad told me to."  One saying "I fought a lot, and wasn't a good person."  One saying "Lotta peace, lotta war, nothing much else to say. Wrote this down because it's tradition, so here's my son Amaron for you."   Amaron's record is equally as short and unremarkable.  Holy, sacred scripture at it's most routine and unremarkable.  Omni certainly didn't think anything about him or his record should have been thought of as holy or precious, other than he was an unimportant part of an important story.
    It makes me think about what 2020-2024 would look like in scripture.  "A new plague crossed the entire world and killed many of the old and sick.  In the church, there were some disputations about how the sickness should be dealt with, but mostly the saints did their best to practice their religion in safety.  I, Russel M. Nelson, being a doctor by trade, urged the world to receive a medicine, but nevertheless to love all no matter their choice.  The sickness did not stop us from our missionary work, nor did it slow our work of building new temples at a fast pace across the world.  Nevertheless, the dark one took advantage of the disruptions caused by the sickness, sowing much confusion and dissention among the children of men, with some men crying "lo, I am a woman", and others crying "because of injustice of one, it is not just to be subject to laws enforced by many".  And these notions did confuse and anger many, including amongst the saints."   A heck of a lot more interesting than Omni, if you ask me.  
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    NeuroTypical reacted to Maverick in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    One of the boldest claims the church makes is that the church is led by continuing revelation from God to the President of the church, who along with his counselors and the Quorum of the 12 apostles, we sustain as prophets, seers, and revelators. 
    While I don’t doubt that our leaders have often received inspiration and guidance in their callings, my question is why there hasn’t been a single revelation where the direct words of the Lord have been quoted added to our scriptural canon since the revelation Brigham Young received in 1847 in Winter Quarters (D&C 136)? This is literally the last “thus saith the Lord” type revelation quoting the words of the Lord directly added to our scriptures. This was 177 years ago. 
    Why hasn’t there been any more revelations like this since? 
    I understand that revelation doesn’t always have to come this way and that making prophecies of the future and declaring “thus saith the Lord” first person revelations isn’t all true prophets, seers, and revelators should be expected to do. But why hasn’t there been any of this in such a long time?
    This is not a criticism of the brethern. It’s an honest question that has puzzled me for some time now. Any thoughts?
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    NeuroTypical reacted to SilentOne in Resurrect Your Life!   
    I will be going to the temple more often