bytor2112 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Sex infections still growing in the U.S., says CDC "If you are a man who has sex with men you ought to be getting a battery of STD tests every year," Douglas added. Edited November 17, 2009 by Gwen Quote
pam Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Why do you bring up only that line? Did the article single out gay men only? No..the article talked about a variety of ways that STD's are passed. Happens just as much in heterosexual activity as it does in homosexual activity. * Adolescent girls 15 to 19 years had the most chlamydia and gonorrhea cases of any age group at 409,531. Interesting..most cases yet you bring out something to do with gays. Quote
Wingnut Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 What made you choose that particular quote to pull out of the article? The article is about STDs in general, not about STDs among homosexuals. Quote
Gwen Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 i noticed all the stuff about teens.... like this part.... Overall, CDC estimates that 19 million new sexually transmitted infections occur each year, almost half among 15- to 24-year-olds. thought about blaming those numbers on puberty... but that would be going back to the 'born that way' argument. i guess most young ppl are just perverts, no biological variables influencing decisions.that being said i think it's a very good article and brings out some very important points. it's information we need and should be talking about as a society. Quote
Misshalfway Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Well, monogamy has its benefits. Quote
bytor2112 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Why do you bring up only that line? Did the article single out gay men only? No..the article talked about a variety of ways that STD's are passed. Happens just as much in heterosexual activity as it does in homosexual activity. Interesting..most cases yet you bring out something to do with gays.It just stuck out to me.....the way it was worded. Seems like that if men were born gay....that wouldn't be such an issue, and they were kind of singled out in the article. If you are doing this you had better do this.......OR...maybe I was just trying to cause CONTROVERSY! Edited November 17, 2009 by bytor2112 Quote
Wingnut Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Well, heterosexuals are born "that way," right? And they were singled out in the article. Quote
pam Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 I vote for the latter. But you must see how this could come off as offensive to a particular group of people. Being singled out in an article that is not even about them. Quote
Gwen Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 having a slew of tests isn't uncommon at all anymore. my ob/gyn insisted, if he was delivering the baby you had a battery of tests run. he didn't want any surprises, for his safety or the baby's. due to that i've had 3 hiv, etc tests done. he delivered 4 of my kids. after the first 3 he decided he could trust that i was clean and didn't require it for #4. part of life. Quote
bytor2112 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 I vote for the latter. But you must see how this could come off as offensive to a particular group of people. Being singled out in an article that is not even about them.Why would it be offensive? Maybe they will go....."thanks Bytor!" and go get some tests and reform there wicked ways.:) ( I could have posted some of the stats about blacks, BUT, didn't think it right or fair to single out a race...so I opted for the other) Quote
pam Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Why not single out the girls that are in the largest bracket of people? Why not say we need to get more education out there for this group? Why not campaign for monogomy as Miss 1/2 said it's best. Actually why even single out anyone from the article? Quote
bytor2112 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 Why not single out the girls that are in the largest bracket of people? Why not say we need to get more education out there for this group? Why not campaign for monogomy as Miss 1/2 said it's best. Actually why even single out anyone from the article?Are you angry with Bytor, Pam?????? Why even mention that men who have sex with other men should get tested? Why can't I comment on it if that stuck out to me? Hmm? If my comment or post is making you upset at Bytor...then please, delete, undo or whatever would bring joy to your soul......I am ok with it.:):) Quote
bytor2112 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Posted November 17, 2009 Well, heterosexuals are born "that way," right? And they were singled out in the article.Black people are born that way too....and they are singled out also...... Quote
talisyn Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 What's really sad is these kids in the quote Adolescent girls 15 to 19 years had the most chlamydia and gonorrhea cases of any age group at 409,531. won't really know how much damage they allowed until they're trying to have kidlings of their own. Quote
Gwen Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 i think part of the problem was the rise of teen pregnancy. when i was in school all the teaching was about the need for condoms for the prevention of std's. pregnancy was also there but not the focus. now they seem to focus on teen pregnancy, girls carry the baby dolls around for teaching tools, etc. so the girls or their parents put them on the pill to prevent that. so they think they are having "safe sex", i wonder if most of them know what "std" stands for to begin with... Quote
ADoyle90815 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 Another issue is that not all spouses stay faithful, so someone who was being cheated on might find that they have an STD that their spouse gave them. Quote
Vort Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) Why do you bring up only that line? Did the article single out gay men only? No..the article talked about a variety of ways that STD's are passed. Happens just as much in heterosexual activity as it does in homosexual activity.This is demonstrably false. For example, one study (15 years old) found that 18% of homosexuals in SF are HIV-positive; heterosexual HIV-positive rates are a small fraction of that. Another, more recent, study found that homosexual men had a higher rate of infection with rectal gonorrhea than bisexual men.Why, exactly, would any Latter-day Saints be offended at fellow Saints pointing out the obvious -- that homosexual activity brings disease and destruction on those who practice it and on the societies that champion it? Edited November 18, 2009 by Vort Quote
pam Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) I guess it depends on what part of the article again you pick out. Adolescent girls 15 to 19 years had the most chlamydia and gonorrhea cases of any age group at 409,531. That to me would mean more heterosexual than homosexual.This is demonstrably false. For example, one study (15 years old) found that 18% of homosexuals in SF are HIV-positive; heterosexual HIV-positive rates are a small fraction of that. Another, more recent, study found that homosexual men had a higher rate of infection with rectal gonorrhea than bisexual men. You are talking about two different kinds of std's here. That's hardly a percentage overall when you consider STD's as a whole. You are also basing a statistic on a certain sexual preference of men. But there are numerous heterosexual men that get STD's as well. Edited November 18, 2009 by pam Quote
Moksha Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 Bytor with those numbers, we should caution our fellow posters to not be teenagers. Is everyone up for that pledge? Quote
Elphaba Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 "If you are a man who has sex with men you ought to be getting a battery of STD tests every year," Douglas added. Pam asked you why you chose to highlight the above statement, to which you responded:It just stuck out to me.....the way it was worded. Seems like that if men were born gay....that wouldn't be such an issue. . . .Why wouldn't this be an issue if they were born gay?Elphaba Quote
SMG Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 Those numbers are pretty... frightening. While speaking on the subject of STDs, one of my nursing professors happened to mention that our (my) county has the highest rate of chlamydia in the state! *shudders* In reality, EVERYONE who is sexually active, monogamous or otherwise, should get tested routinely! Quote
MarginOfError Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 This is demonstrably false. For example, one study (15 years old) found that 18% of homosexuals in SF are HIV-positive; heterosexual HIV-positive rates are a small fraction of that. Another, more recent, study found that homosexual men had a higher rate of infection with rectal gonorrhea than bisexual men.Why, exactly, would any Latter-day Saints be offended at fellow Saints pointing out the obvious -- that homosexual activity brings disease and destruction on those who practice it and on the societies that champion it?The problem with the statistic you quote is that HIV is a chronic disease that we've gotten very good at treating. Add to that the fact that before homosexuality was openly accepted, homosexuals (especially men) were typically far more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior than heterosexuals. The willingness to engage in risky behavior is attributed to the need for anonymity, and so they typically had more partners and less protected encounters than their heterosexual counterparts.Now that homosexuals can openly live their lives and commit themselves to a partner, STD rates seem to be on the decline. A lot of those HIV cases you cite are old cases from the early days--a testament to the triumph that we've advanced far enough with HIV to treat it indefinitely. If you wanted to know if a homosexual and heterosexual were as likely to contract an STD, you should look at incidence of new cases.Besides, in Africa, rates of HIV between homo and heterosexual people are pretty similar. Quote
bytor2112 Posted November 18, 2009 Author Report Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) Pam asked you why you chose to highlight the above statement, to which you responded:Why wouldn't this be an issue if they were born gay?ElphabaI don't think article said " if men are having sex with women they should be tested for std's every year."Notice the contrast:Douglas said children and teens need to know about condom use, and should limit their number of sex partners and avoid sex with people who do have many other sex partners."If you are a man who has sex with men you ought to be getting a battery of STD tests every year," Douglas added. Edited November 18, 2009 by bytor2112 Quote
Vort Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 In reality, EVERYONE who is sexually active, monogamous or otherwise, should get tested routinely!Nonsense. I have never been tested for an STD in my life, nor do I see the necessity of ever being so tested. Quote
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