Jack Chick on Quantum Field Theory

[Jamie123]

This must be the most blatant (and unintentionally very funny!) example of the "God of the Gaps" argument, much criticised by Richard Dawkins et al. In a tract supposedly about evolution, Jack Chick "debunks" quantum field theory (of all things!) and thereby "proves" Christianity:

Edited September 15, 2010 by pam
Links to a site that promotes books that are Anti Mormonism

[Orrinian]

And even if the gluons were responsible for keeping the nucleus (including the positively charged protons) together, and they were not only a "made-up dream", I wouldn't mind or reject this scientific realization. It wouldn't affect my faith. Researches on quantum field effects and phenomena still are going forward, and there will even be more answers given to the scientists of fundamental research stepwisely, but constantly (remember CERN in Switzerland, which is the worldwide biggest and efficient particle accelerator, where important experiments will be carried out).

One might be a good electrician ("Like charges repel each other!") but a bad scientist - why should not even equally charged electric particles love each other and hold desperately together, when they are so immensely tiny within the nucleus of the atom? They might be afraid of loosing themselves in the untold space.

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[Dravin]

That is one horrible scientist. I don't know is a perfectly acceptable answer scientifically speaking, and the physical evidence for gluons, even if there is none (not my field so I don't know) is no less concrete than saying Jesus does it.

Oh well, I don't think anyone has ever accused dear Jack of accurate portrayal of his foils.

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[mnn727]

Jack Chick -- a real 16th century kinda guy.

Were he back in Galileos' time he'd make a comic about the Earth being the center of the universe

[Orrinian]

Jack Chick -- a real 16th century kinda guy.

Were he back in Galileos' time he'd make a comic about the Earth being the center of the universe

Seen from our point of view the Earth might even be the center of the universe ... and by the way who could exactly define where the center of the universe should be located?

[mordorbund]

Wait, so Jack Chick worships a gluon?

[Orrinian]

Wait, so Jack Chick worships a gluon?

Not exactly. As far as I know there might exist eight different ones of them. (See under quantum field theory). So he worships eight instead of one, and that's what will make it more difficult for the clever electrician.

[prisonchaplain]

Seen from our point of view the Earth might even be the center of the universe ... and by the way who could exactly define where the center of the universe should be located?

The center of the universe is approximately 14 miles due east of Springfield, MO, USA. However, it is also about 2 miles below sea level, so I doubt it's worth the trip.

[pam]

Here I thought the center of the universe was in Sandy, Utah where I live. I mean..aren't I the center of everyone's universe?

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[Orrinian]

Here I thought the center of the universe was in Sandy, Utah where I live. I mean..aren't I the center of everyone's universe?

I wouldn't agree. But at least it might be possible that one is one's own center of his own universe.

[Orrinian]

The center of the universe is approximately 14 miles due east of Springfield, MO, USA. However, it is also about 2 miles below sea level, so I doubt it's worth the trip.

One question: how did you locate it? By inspiration or science? And it's also 2 miles below sea level? It might be the hell? So the hell is under Missouri?

[prisonchaplain]

Orrinian, you are right about everything...except, rather than learning it be science and inspiration...it was more of a perspiration thing.

[prisonchaplain]

Here I thought the center of the universe was in Sandy, Utah where I live. I mean..aren't I the center of everyone's universe?

Yes. You are right. Of course. Now that the thread is resolved, should I go ahead and close it?

[Dravin]

One question: how did you locate it? By inspiration or science? And it's also 2 miles below sea level? It might be the hell? So the hell is under Missouri?

Having been to Nauvoo (not far from Missouri) in the summer I'm inclined to think it more likely that hell is Missouri (even sounds like misery, what further evidence could you want?).

[Orrinian]

Having been to Nauvoo (not far from Missouri) in the summer I'm inclined to think it more likely that hell is Missouri (even sounds like misery, what further evidence could you want?).

The official device of the State of Missouri is Salus populi suprema lex esto;

that means the salvation of the people is the highest national objective. Not misery.

[pam]

I think humor is being lost in the translation.

[mordorbund]

Not exactly. As far as I know there might exist eight different ones of them. (See under quantum field theory). So he worships eight instead of one, and that's what will make it more difficult for the clever electrician.

There's only 1 gluon you heretic.

(although, now that I try to see your side of things, I can see how you could think there were 8 based on the configurations of the 3 in the 1 gluon).

[Dravin]

The official device of the State of Missouri is Salus populi suprema lex esto;

that means the salvation of the people is the highest national objective. Not misery.

I'm not sure if there may be a language/culture barrier* (or you may have noticed and not found it funny, that's a possibility too) but I was making fun of the climate and how the name of the state is pronounced not their motto.

P.S. The translations I'm seeing say, "Let the welfare of the people be the supreme law."

* This cuts both ways.

[Orrinian]

I'm not sure if there may be a language/culture barrier* (or you may have noticed and not found it funny, that's a possibility too) but I was making fun of the climate and how the name of the state is pronounced not their motto.

P.S. The translations I'm seeing say, "Let the welfare of the people be the supreme law."

* This cuts both ways.

I think your translation is much better than mine. But I surely found it funny (Missouri sounds like misery, but I didn't catch it was because of the climate there). But I found the state device (when I looked for Springfield and read s.th. about the history) so obviously profane that I wanted to joke about it. That's all. There are good jokes and not so good ones. That's a real misery.

[Orrinian]

There's only 1 gluon you heretic.

(although, now that I try to see your side of things, I can see how you could think there were 8 based on the configurations of the 3 in the 1 gluon).

ok - but no one can say I haven't tried it.

It's only one, but strong enough for eight - agree?

[Moksha]

Elder McConkie did not specifically condemn Gluons, nor shall I.

[JohnnyRudick]

The center of the universe is approximately 14 miles due east of Springfield, MO, USA. However, it is also about 2 miles below sea level, so I doubt it's worth the trip.

"About 2 miles below sea level":confused:

[JohnnyRudick]

Having been to Nauvoo (not far from Missouri) in the summer I'm inclined to think it more likely that hell is Missouri (even sounds like misery, what further evidence could you want?).

The home of Chiggers, Ticks, Brambles, . .

[prisonchaplain]

"About 2 miles below sea level":confused:

Sigh...humor is not funny if it must be explained. Nevertheless...my point is that the center of the universe may not be a very important or signficant location. There may be little meaning to the find--at least on a theological level.

[Traveler]

Sigh...humor is not funny if it must be explained. Nevertheless...my point is that the center of the universe may not be a very important or signficant location. There may be little meaning to the find--at least on a theological level.

Since this was all meant in humor I was not going to comment - but since there is some serious thought. The general theory is that the universe was created from singularity from what is called the Big Bang. The universe is expanding into what many believe is a 4 dimensional sphere. If this is the case then all points are both center points and boundary points of the universe.

I do not know if there are any religious implications concerning these scientific theories but one possible note is that if G-d is a multiple dimension individual then he could be directly connected to every point of our universe that makes it possible for him to sort of be present everywhere.

The Traveler