Backroads Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 I'd like to hear what people are reading in the Word of Wisdom that makes them think it's a diet plan, or a way to avoid excess pounds.I have seen various nutritionists try to cash in on the WoW by writing diet books based on it. Usually winds up being a reasonably logical nutrition plan with occasional scripture-quoting. Really seems the WoW and the nutrition spectrum are separate.
MarginOfError Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Yes, and fornication is okay every 5th Friday.Can I quote you as an authoritative source at my disciplinary council?
MorningStar Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Yes, and fornication is okay every 5th Friday. I only fornicate medicinally.
Bini Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Is it suspicious to anyone else that Kaly started this thread and hasn't chimed in since?
skippy740 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 The Word of Wisdom is a spiritual law in regards to health... just as Orthodox Jews follow kosher laws... we follow a much simpler spiritual law. It isn't about the health merits (or lack thereof) of coffee, tea, alcohol & tobacco. There are plenty of articles for & against each of these substances all the time, let alone the LDS folklore about them as well. The LDS people are a peculiar people... and the Word of Wisdom is another area that makes us peculiar. It is another area where we separate ourselves from the rest of the world. Are there people who don't follow the WoW and are in great health? Of course. But are these people also considered temple-worthy? Uh... no. Because (at minimum) they are not following the Word of Wisdom with spiritual obedience. Too many people in the church confuse the purpose of the WoW. It's not JUST about abstaining from "dangerous" things. It's not just about eating more grains, etc. It's about following the commandments and showing our obedience even with our diet. Something to consider: Many people who are overweight lose weight by smoking cigarettes. Is it better to be overweight and not smoke? I think so, but that's just my opinion.
Vort Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 The word of wisdom is the biggest hypocritical doctrine of the churchSerious question: Do you understand what hypocrisy is?Sad that so many will disfellowship those that drink coffee, smoke or drink and yet not all the 2xxl and 3xl and 4 XL size people that don't follow the commandment.How many do you believe go about disfellowshipping coffee drinkers?Where is it "interpreted" that one is acceptable and one is not?In the practices of the Church and the teachings of its leaders.While I may live the word of wisdom, I don't have a testimony of it.Yet it is true, and many of us do indeed have that testimony. That you fail to have the testimony of its truthfulness says nothing about whether it's true, but a lot about you.
Backroads Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Obedience to the WoW has indeed become something of a standard of worthiness among LDS members. Note the key phrase is "obedience to". No one has their worthiness and spirituality judged on any results, physical or even spiritual, from following/not following the WoW. We are looking at OBEDIENCE and ACTION and CHOICE. Not results (though I believe the WoW promises a few nice ones).Your bishop is not there to check up your physical well-being in regards to the WoW. I've never seen a bishop's office equipped with medical equipment or even a scale. If your bishop happens to be a respected practioner of health/medicine/nutrition, the mannerly thing to do is to approach him for advice in a professional and non-church-related manner.
Wingnut Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) If we were Orthodox Jews instead of LDS, would we be okay IF we only had a bacon cheeseburger every once in a while?As Just_A_Guy eluded to: It's a spiritual obedience law and how well we are committed to following as much of the law that is clearly spelled out for us... as well as improving ourselves towards the spirit behind the commandments.Mmmm...bacon.I don't know about purple. Red maybe but not purple. Well, purple (or red) would certainly be more modest than white...coming up out of the water soaking wet, and all. White isn't very modest./me removes tongue from cheek.What they really oughtta do is come up with a fabric that is red when you go into the font, and white when you come back up again. Edited January 11, 2013 by Wingnut
pam Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 What they really oughtta do is come up with a fabric that is red when you go into the font, and white when you come back up again. Just fill the font with bleach.
Wingnut Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Just fill the font with bleach.Be sure not to swallow!
pam Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Just fill the font with bleach. Would bring new meaning to "washed clean of sins."
Guest Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Might have to change "washed" to "sterilized". Or "burned".
Guest Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Is it suspicious to anyone else that Kaly started this thread and hasn't chimed in since?We seem to be getting more than our regular dose of suspicious posts lately.
applepansy Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Obedience to the WoW has indeed become something of a standard of worthiness among LDS members. Note the key phrase is "obedience to". No one has their worthiness and spirituality judged on any results, physical or even spiritual, from following/not following the WoW. We are looking at OBEDIENCE and ACTION and CHOICE. Not results (though I believe the WoW promises a few nice ones).Your bishop is not there to check up your physical well-being in regards to the WoW. I've never seen a bishop's office equipped with medical equipment or even a scale. If your bishop happens to be a respected practioner of health/medicine/nutrition, the mannerly thing to do is to approach him for advice in a professional and non-church-related manner.Its a bit more than "something of a standard of worthiness". If you're not obeying the WoW and you're honest about it, then you won't get a temple recommend. So I would say it is very much a standard of worthiness. :)OK... now my rant: Not all extra large people are extra large because they aren't obeying the WoW. Obesity isn't always caused because someone can't control what they eat or refuse to exercise. Obesity can and is more often than not caused by other disease processes.Assuming someone who is overweight is not living the WoW just bugs the heck out of me. GRRRRRRR Let's just say that every person with thyroid issues or chronic pain must not be worthy. GRRRRROk... I'm done now.
Wingnut Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) OK... now my rant: Not all extra large people are extra large because they aren't obeying the WoW. Obesity isn't always caused because someone can't control what they eat or refuse to exercise. Obesity can and is more often than not caused by other disease processes.Assuming someone who is overweight is not living the WoW just bugs the heck out of me. GRRRRRRR Let's just say that every person with thyroid issues or chronic pain must not be worthy. GRRRRROk... I'm done now. The ultimate moment of stupidity regarding this argument that I've ever experienced was a woman in my parents' ward who stated in Gospel Doctrine class once that President Monson clearly didn't adhere to the WoW because he has adult-onset diabetes.I got up and left. Loudly. Edited January 11, 2013 by Wingnut
NeuroTypical Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Heh - a lady in my ward called fat people to repentence one Fast Sunday.
Guest Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Sorry to laugh, but man, people are clueless sometimes.
Backroads Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 Heh - a lady in my ward called fat people to repentence one Fast Sunday.I like this was done on Fast Sunday, of all Sundays.
Wingnut Posted January 11, 2013 Report Posted January 11, 2013 I like this was done on Fast Sunday, of all Sundays.I also found that amusing.
skippy740 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 Yes, and fornication is okay every 5th Friday. Hmmm... looking ahead to March 2013...
Guest Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 I don't want to be responsible for that.
Guest DeborahC Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 Well, someday I wouldn't be surprised if "they" discover some hidden danger in coffee. After all, for years when I was a child, cigarette companies told us that science and our doctors recommended it for anything from nerves to weight loss. You can google vintage cigarette ads if you don't believe me! God knows things we just don't know. Point in case: Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. A horrible thing, you might say... until you read how his entire family was saved by him (Joseph) in the end. God just KNOWS things. You can either trust Him or not. It's your decision.
Vort Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 OK... now my rant: Not all extra large people are extra large because they aren't obeying the WoW. Obesity isn't always caused because someone can't control what they eat or refuse to exercise. Obesity can and is more often than not caused by other disease processes.applepansy, I don't believe obese people are breaking the Word of Wisdom, nor do I believe that obesity is a moral issue (at least not primarily so). But it is obviously true that pretty much 100% of obese people are obese BECAUSE THEY EAT TOO MUCH. There is simply no other way for the calories to enter their bodies. They don't absorb the calories through their skin. They don't breathe them in. They don't receive them through intravenous infusion or enemas. The fat is not injected transdermally. EVERY SINGLE CALORIE THEY RECEIVE is brought in THROUGH THEIR MOUTHS.No exceptions. I don't believe there is even a single person in all of human history who has gotten fat without eating the fat-causing food.No, obesity is not a moral issue, it's a health issue. But OF COURSE it's caused by eating too much. There simply is no other way around it. If you have a "glandular problem" that makes you fat, QUIT EATING SO MUCH. If you have an illness that limits your mobility, QUIT EATING SO MUCH. If you're in chronic pain so that you can't exercise, QUIT EATING SO MUCH.No, of course it's not as easy as all that. There are important psychological issues involved. I understand that. But the root of the obesity itself is OVEREATING. There simply is no other explanation possible.You don't get fat by eating only as much as you need. Not ever.
pam Posted January 12, 2013 Report Posted January 12, 2013 applepansy, I don't believe obese people are breaking the Word of Wisdom, nor do I believe that obesity is a moral issue (at least not primarily so). But it is obviously true that pretty much 100% of obese people are obese BECAUSE THEY EAT TOO MUCH. There is simply no other way for the calories to enter their bodies. They don't absorb the calories through their skin. They don't breathe them in. They don't receive them through intravenous infusion or enemas. The fat is not injected transdermally. EVERY SINGLE CALORIE THEY RECEIVE is brought in THROUGH THEIR MOUTHS.No exceptions. I don't believe there is even a single person in all of human history who has gotten fat without eating the fat-causing food.No, obesity is not a moral issue, it's a health issue. But OF COURSE it's caused by eating too much. There simply is no other way around it. If you have a "glandular problem" that makes you fat, QUIT EATING SO MUCH. If you have an illness that limits your mobility, QUIT EATING SO MUCH. If you're in chronic pain so that you can't exercise, QUIT EATING SO MUCH.No, of course it's not as easy as all that. There are important psychological issues involved. I understand that. But the root of the obesity itself is OVEREATING. There simply is no other explanation possible.You don't get fat by eating only as much as you need. Not ever. Not true. There really are some diseases that cause weight gain and it's not caused by overeating. Here are some:HypothydroismCushing's SyndromKidney issuesHepatorenal SyndromePolycystic Ovary MenopauseMedications used to treat depression can cause weight gainWeight gain is a side of effect from insulin for those that are diabeticSo making a blanket statement that obesity is caused by eating too much in all cases is just not true.
Vort Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 · Hidden Hidden Not true. There really are some diseases that cause weight gain and it's not caused by overeating. Here are some:HypothydroismCushing's SyndromKidney issuesHepatorenal SyndromePolycystic Ovary MenopauseMedications used to treat depression can cause weight gainWeight gain is a side of effect from insulin for those that are diabeticSo making a blanket statement that obesity is caused by eating too much in all cases is just not true.So then, what happens when the person suffering from hypothyroidism (for example) cuts down on how much he or she eats in order to keep from getting obese?Are you suggesting that a grossly overweight person suffering from e.g. hypothyroidism would starve to death if he did not eat enough to make him grossly overweight?I disbelieve it.
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