Future Preparations of the Church Against Pornography?

[Guest MormonGator]

29 minutes ago, person0 said:

#1 100% guaranteed easiest way to solve a pornography addiction:  Watch the eclipse without any special glasses!  Guarantee you will never look at pornography again! 

Can you believe that people actually have to be told NOT to stare directly at the sun? 

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

Can you believe that people actually have to be told NOT to stare directly at the sun? 

And, apparently, the Public Library and Public Schools will not hand out the solar glasses unless you attend a seminar about not staring directly at the sun.  Yep!

[zil]

24 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

And, apparently, the Public Library and Public Schools will not hand out the solar glasses unless you attend a seminar about not staring directly at the sun.  Yep!

Right, because it's better to let them be both ignorant and unprotected, than risk that they'll have the protection, fail to use it, and then sue you for their own ignorance. <sigh>

[Guest MormonGator]

8 minutes ago, zil said:

Right, because it's better to let them be both ignorant and unprotected, than risk that they'll have the protection, fail to use it, and then sue you for their own ignorance. <sigh>

So far, it's been sort of anti-climatic here. A day like any other day. 

[zil]

19 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

So far, it's been sort of anti-climatic here. A day like any other day. 

My hope that the world would end was apparently in vain...  The good news is that SBRE Brown released another fountain pen review, so the day isn't a total loss...

[person0]

39 minutes ago, zil said:

Right, because it's better to let them be both ignorant and unprotected, than risk that they'll have the protection, fail to use it, and then sue you for their own ignorance.

Be careful there, that's basically the same argument used to promote sex education in our schools, and free condom programs.  

[zil]

9 minutes ago, person0 said:

Be careful there, that's basically the same argument used to promote sex education in our schools, and free condom programs.  

OK.  Did it sound like I was arguing in favor of the mandatory seminar?  It might make sense to give kids the glasses as an eclipse relates to scientific education.  Condoms and sex ed (as opposed to biology) don't.  Of course, I'd be perfectly happy if we got rid of public education and the Prussian model we now use, but that won't ever happen.

[Vort]

28 minutes ago, zil said:

My hope that the world would end was apparently in vain...  The good news is that SBRE Brown released another fountain pen review, so the day isn't a total loss...

What makes you think the world didn't end?

[Midwest LDS]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

Can you believe that people actually have to be told NOT to stare directly at the sun? 

I remember my astronomy teacher at BYU always ended his lectures by saying, no matter what we were talking about, "Remember don't look at the sun."

[zil]

2 minutes ago, Vort said:

What makes you think the world didn't end?

Hmm.  Well, I'm still sitting here at work with all my co-workers.  I'm thinking we wouldn't be here if the world had ended.  Are you trying to imply we were left behind?

[Vort]

7 minutes ago, zil said:

left behind?

[zil]

Just now, Vort said:

[picture]

So what you're saying here is that you're being a pain in the butt?

[Vort]

3 minutes ago, zil said:

So what you're saying here is that you're being a pain in the butt?

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, zil said:

Of course, I'd be perfectly happy if we got rid of public education and the Prussian model we now use, but that won't ever happen.

I can't believe you said that.  How dare you condemn the public school system and our beloved Prussian model...

[zil]

6 minutes ago, Vort said:

This is clearly over my head.  But he's kinda cute.

[person0]

4 minutes ago, zil said:

This is clearly over my head.  But he's kinda cute.

It's a trick!  Behold the truth!

Edited August 21, 2017 by person0

[Vort]

29 minutes ago, person0 said:

It's a trick!  Behold the truth!

Except Joe is a camel, not a donkey. And he's smoking a cigarette, not holding chalk.

Edited August 21, 2017 by Vort

[Mike]

On 8/19/2017 at 8:51 PM, clbent04 said:

I am an advocate for seeing the church dedicate more resources to the battle of pornography.  

Every ward should have a designated pornography support group held on a weekly basis ... should have a calling for a male member to be appointed to anti-pornography leader who leads the weekly group meetings

Children should first be warned of the evil of pornography beginning when they are 10 years old

More Firesides and special events ... Education 

Help members become more open about this problem ...

Forgive me if you feel like my "boiling down" the essence of the OP is incorrect. I'm having difficulty agreeing that a dedication of more resources beyond what the church currently does would make a real dent. It's also interesting to me how obesity got so much thread press, which makes me wonder about pornography compared to all the others terrible things in the world that didn't make the thread as obesity did. 

Edited August 21, 2017 by Mike

[omegaseamaster75]

I still want to see where it says that upwards of a third of LDS men have a problem with porn.

[Mike]

2 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

I still want to see where it says that upwards of a third of LDS men have a problem with porn.

I thought about that, too. Then I wondered what it means to have a problem with porn. I have my own ideas but not much to base them on beyond my own approach to dealing with opposition in all things along with what I know about other men within my circle of influence. 

[Vort]

4 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

I still want to see where it says that upwards of a third of LDS men have a problem with porn.

That does seem high, but I wouldn't be too surprised. Ten or twelve years ago, that seemed like the only thing our stake presidency ever talked about.

It certainly depends on what you mean by "a problem". In my mind, any interest in pornography, even reflexive, is a problem -- which would suggest than the vast majority of men, LDS or otherwise, have a "pornography problem". The problem lies not in the man, but in the pornography. It's like saying we have a "cyanide problem" because cyanide, you know, kills us.

[omegaseamaster75]

10 minutes ago, Vort said:

That does seem high, but I wouldn't be too surprised. Ten or twelve years ago, that seemed like the only thing our stake presidency ever talked about.

It certainly depends on what you mean by "a problem". In my mind, any interest in pornography, even reflexive, is a problem -- which would suggest than the vast majority of men, LDS or otherwise, have a "pornography problem". The problem lies not in the man, but in the pornography. It's like saying we have a "cyanide problem" because cyanide, you know, kills us.

I guess my issue is that there seems to be a number assigned to the porn "problem" I have an interest as to what the reference says constitutes a problem and how they came up with that number. 

I am with you @Vort any interest in porn or consumption there of is a "problem" but to what level?  

[person0]

33 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

I still want to see where it says that upwards of a third of LDS men have a problem with porn.

I found this:

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Men admitting to accessing pornography at work is 20 percent; it is 13 percent for women.  (Church News - LDS.org)

Then I also found this:

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• More than seventy percent of men ages 18 to 34 visit a pornography site on the internet in a typical month.
• "We suspect that the LDS community is not any different from the rest of society when it comes to prevalence or magnitude of sexual addictions.” (Dan Gray - specializes in helping Latter-day Saints deal with sexual addictions)

(The Silent Seventy Percent of Men with a “Little Porn Problem”)

None of this is sufficient evidence on it's own, but it certainly would lead one to believe that a 30% estimate is reasonable.

[Guest]

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Men admitting to accessing pornography at work is 20 percent; it is 13 percent for women.  (Church News - LDS.org)

I find this statistic shocking simply because most offices have filters.  And if you're accessing it at work, that is just plain messed up.
 

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• More than seventy percent of men ages 18 to 34 visit a pornography site on the internet in a typical month.
• "We suspect that the LDS community is not any different from the rest of society when it comes to prevalence or magnitude of sexual addictions.” (Dan Gray - specializes in helping Latter-day Saints deal with sexual addictions)

(The Silent Seventy Percent of Men with a “Little Porn Problem”)

I didn't read the whole thing.  But I believe that first bullet point may be skewed.  "Visiting a pornography site on the internet" could include the accidental visits.  I've interviewed not a few young men and found that many of them wonder if they did something wrong if they accidentally clicked an apparently innocent button on the browser.  I tell them that it is like breathing side stream smoke.  As long as you don't inhale...  You know what I mean.

Regardless, I'm not sure what the "real number" is.  But it is apparent that it is everywhere present.

The second bullet point???  I'm not sure.  I'd certainly like to think that our numbers would be at least somewhat better than society as a whole simply because there is a HUGE portion of society that doesn't believe it is wrong.  Not "Any different"?  I find that difficult to believe.  Where did that quote come from anyway?  There's no link, reference, or footnote.

[Grunt]

8 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I find this statistic shocking simply because most offices have filters.  And if you're accessing it at work, that is just plain messed up.
 

I didn't read the whole thing.  But I believe that first bullet point may be skewed.  "Visiting a pornography site on the internet" could include the accidental visits.  I've interviewed not a few young men and found that many of them wonder if they did something wrong if they accidentally clicked an apparently innocent button on the browser.  I tell them that it is like breathing side stream smoke.  As long as you don't inhale...  You know what I mean.

Regardless, I'm not sure what the "real number" is.  But it is apparent that it is everywhere present.

The second bullet point???  I'm not sure.  I'd certainly like to think that our numbers would be at least somewhat better than society as a whole simply because there is a HUGE portion of society that doesn't believe it is wrong.  Not "Any different"?  I find that difficult to believe.  Where did that quote come from anyway?  There's no link, reference, or footnote.

I don't find it shocking at all.  I can only speak for my circles, but people I know don't view porn in the same light as Mormons.  To them it's just not a big deal.