Trump (Or any Subject) Derangement Syndrome

[Carborendum]

3 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Another issue is that there's considerable overlap in the behaviors demonstrated by both "kid with ADD/ADHD" and "kid who is legitimately bored because they either already know the material or the teaching style is not one they respond best to". 

This is particularly problematic when you're talking about teachers who have to be corrected by their students.  Those are the people who are put in charge of reporting students that may be "too active."

[Ironhold]

2 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

This is particularly problematic when you're talking about teachers who have to be corrected by their students.  Those are the people who are put in charge of reporting students that may be "too active."

I only needed three math classes in high school: Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. 

I did well enough in Geometry, but struggled in Algebra. Because of this, I had no desire to take any more math courses. 

One of my brothers insisted that I take Pre-Calculus, this in spite of how I struggled in Algebra. I tried to explain that Pre-Calculus would likely be well beyond what I could do, and that if he was afraid of me getting out of practice I could take a math & money course that was being offered since I was already looking into possibly being a business major.

He talked mom into putting in the paperwork for me to take that Pre-Calculus class, as it was what the parents put in for that counted rather than what the students themselves asked for. 

Each class was 90 minutes. Starting with the second class, the teacher would spend the first 30 going from desk to desk and grading our homework on the spot so that she didn't have to do it on her own time. She then utterly failed to understand why we never finished the day's lesson before class ended, but nevertheless we had to finish our homework assignments as listed on the board and have them ready by next class. Anyone who had questions could just, as far as she was concerned, go to the before-school or after-school tutoring periods, which were always so packed that it was difficult to even get in the room. 

She had zero sympathy for anyone who fell behind, and even put a note on one of my tests that basically invited me to leave the class. 

Cue my parents blaming *me* for having a poor grade in that class despite my efforts, leading to autistic burnout that negatively affected my performance in my other classes. 

Finally, at the end of the semester, there was a four-way conference involving myself, my dad, the teacher, and the vice principal. It was only during this conference that anyone believed me when I talked about how we never finished the day's lessons because she insisted on grading papers desk by desk, how my somehow not answering a question to her satisfaction got me an 80% on a homework assignment (showing how arbitrary her grading could be), and how I was basically invited to leave the class. I was transferred out of that class immediately, placed into an intro to psychology elective that was far more towards my skill set, but the damage had been done.

I missed graduating in the top 10% of my class by 4 slots, a measly fraction of a fraction of a grade point. 

Here in Texas if you graduate in the top 10% of your class and you go to a public in-state college you can petition to have the state cover most or even all of your tuition costs. 

Yeah...

I understand that most teachers are legitimately trying to teach and want to see kids succeed, but hard experience tells me that there are also people who have no business teaching and that these teachers can do hideous amounts of damage before anyone catches onto what they're doing.

[NeuroTypical]

On 4/24/2025 at 12:41 PM, Carborendum said:

The police arrested him.  Then the Biden administration ordered him to be released without even giving him a ticket for the traffic violation.

[Backroads]

On 4/25/2025 at 8:09 AM, Ironhold said:

Another issue is that there's considerable overlap in the behaviors demonstrated by both "kid with ADD/ADHD" and "kid who is legitimately bored because they either already know the material or the teaching style is not one they respond best to". 

Individuals who are high-functioning autistic might also have tics or issues getting along socially that can be mistaken for ADD / ADHD (et al) even when they don't have it. 

It takes time, effort, observation, and a skilled professional to diagnose which is which. The problem is that modern society tends more towards "any kid who doesn't sit neatly and quietly is inherently defective" and so the first instinct is to punish and medicate rather than evaluate.

You're not wrong. I bet there's more confusion and misdiagnosis than people care to realize. I have friends in the ADHD/autism crowd, and they say if it's "cured" by changing foods, getting ears checked, etc, it probably wasn't ADHD or autism. A mild example, but hopefully the picture is coming across. 

Random story: I have a student this year in online school who was quite exasperating. Without diagnosing, I'd bet five bucks she has ADHD or autism or something. She spent half the year interrupting and lately seems to color and play with markers instead of listening to me. Despite the exasperation, I soon found her quite endearing. 

The other day she attempts to lead a lesson, one that is fairly routine, and I had spent the year assuming she had completely tuned or spaced out this entire thing. She did an awesome job. 

[Ironhold]

15 hours ago, Backroads said:

You're not wrong. I bet there's more confusion and misdiagnosis than people care to realize. I have friends in the ADHD/autism crowd, and they say if it's "cured" by changing foods, getting ears checked, etc, it probably wasn't ADHD or autism. A mild example, but hopefully the picture is coming across. 

There's still a lot modern medicine doesn't know about autism, but what they do know is that it's comorbid with a *lot* of other mental, emotional, and physical health conditions. 

There are indeed anecdotal reports that people with autism / ADHD have had their tells & whatnot *eased* by dietary changes, suggesting that the dietary changes actually eased a comorbid health situation that was further bogging them down mentally & emotionally. 

It's like in my case, I've noticed that if I don't have at least one good serving of meat protein a day my body doesn't quite feel right and my energy levels wane. Protein shakes don't do the job, and in fact one time I tried to use protein shakes as a substitute for what I was eating on the run I had to stop because after a while I started having odd cravings for baked beans. I could never go vegetarian, let alone vegan, for any length of time.

This is telling me "something is causing my body to burn through a higher than normal amount of protein as well as other nutrients that meat protein has in far larger quantities than supplements alone can compensate for", which is likely being caused by an as-yet undetermined physical or lifestyle situation. It could be that this increased protein intake requirement is somehow tied to a comorbid health issue, or it could just be that it's a fluke I'm dealing with both at once.

[Backroads]

20 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

There's still a lot modern medicine doesn't know about autism, but what they do know is that it's comorbid with a *lot* of other mental, emotional, and physical health conditions. 

There are indeed anecdotal reports that people with autism / ADHD have had their tells & whatnot *eased* by dietary changes, suggesting that the dietary changes actually eased a comorbid health situation that was further bogging them down mentally & emotionally. 

It's like in my case, I've noticed that if I don't have at least one good serving of meat protein a day my body doesn't quite feel right and my energy levels wane. Protein shakes don't do the job, and in fact one time I tried to use protein shakes as a substitute for what I was eating on the run I had to stop because after a while I started having odd cravings for baked beans. I could never go vegetarian, let alone vegan, for any length of time.

This is telling me "something is causing my body to burn through a higher than normal amount of protein as well as other nutrients that meat protein has in far larger quantities than supplements alone can compensate for", which is likely being caused by an as-yet undetermined physical or lifestyle situation. It could be that this increased protein intake requirement is somehow tied to a comorbid health issue, or it could just be that it's a fluke I'm dealing with both at once.

Nutrition is a fascinating thing.

I am a little wary of those who claim it is everything. I've made no secret of my distaste for anti-vaxxers and Big Natural Health, who I find to be for the most part grifters.

[Ironhold]

6 minutes ago, Backroads said:

Nutrition is a fascinating thing.

I am a little wary of those who claim it is everything. I've made no secret of my distaste for anti-vaxxers and Big Natural Health, who I find to be for the most part grifters.

When it comes to the anti-vax side of things, they got a significant boost from the controversies over the Covid vaccines. 

The rollout of the Covid vaccines quickly went from "we know they didn't have proper medical trials, but there's no time for that" to "get the shots or we'll destroy your life". As part of it, initial reports of side effects or adverse incidents were forcibly suppressed by various social media platforms; even licensed and credentialed medical doctors found themselves silenced when they tried to tell the public that something was wrong. But by then, the US government and several other governments had already passed legislation that shielded the pharma companies from legal consequences. 

It wasn't until 2021 / 2022 that anyone realized the Covid vaccines were far less safe than we were assured, that an untold number of people were looking at a lifetime of compromised health, and that the lives of people who refused the shots or tried to blow the whistle were destroyed for nothing. 

I've even seen ex-members cite the church's support of the vaccines as part of the reason why they left, feeling that the church leadership should have known that the vaccines were dangerous. 

This has so utterly, totally, and completely destroyed trust in *all* vaccines that the anti-vax movement seemed logical in hindsight, hence why we now have a measles epidemic in West Texas. 

[LDSGator]

24 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

I've even seen ex-members cite the church's support of the vaccines as part of the reason why they left, feeling that the church leadership should have known that the vaccines were dangerous.

Same. For a brief time the church took more punches from the right than the left.

[Backroads]

One of my favorite LDS mom group horror stories was a lady who claimed she had received revelation that she was on a higher spiritual plane than the prophet and that's why she didn't vaccinate her kids (any vaccines) and knew the prophet would one day be punished for allowing vaccines.

 

[Backroads]

26 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Same. For a brief time the church took more punches from the right than the left.

There is some far right conservative stuff that is quite the apostasy mess.

[LDSGator]

18 minutes ago, Backroads said:

There is some far right conservative stuff that is quite the apostasy mess.

 

22 minutes ago, Backroads said:

One of my favorite LDS mom group horror stories was a lady who claimed she had received revelation that she was on a higher spiritual plane than the prophet and that's why she didn't vaccinate her kids (any vaccines) and knew the prophet would one day be punished for allowing vaccines.

 

It’s fascinating and sad. Fascinating because the shoe is on the other foot. The right essentially said “shut and listen! I doubt your faith! Obedience! Obedience! Obedience!  ”  to liberals squirming over gay marriage and abortion. Now liberals said “shut up and listen” in 2021 and of course, all we got from conservatives was excuses, how it’s different this time, etc. 

Sad for obvious reasons.  

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, Ironhold said:

It wasn't until 2021 / 2022 that anyone realized the Covid vaccines were far less safe than we were assured, that an untold number of people were looking at a lifetime of compromised health

Well, to be honest, I still haven't realized any of that jargle, even after looking seriously for something to substantiate it for years.  I mean, the vaccines were far less effective than we hoped (and the government pushed).  And it's now becoming more accepted that 'vaccine' isn't an accurate description of it - it's better thought of as a 'therapeutic'.  But far less safe?  What's your data for that?  The thing has gone into literally billions of arms.  Every nation on earth has a health service or ministry or center of some sort - you'd think it would be easy to find.    The negative impacts are indeed 'told', but the last I checked, it was a similar rate to any other sort of related therapeutic.

I mean, you can't find it in the December '24 House report, full of Republicans more than willing to pin dirt like that to Biden.  It claimed "The COVID-19 Vaccine, While Largely Safe and Effective, Had Adverse Events That Must be Throughoughly Investigated"   It's chart, when compared with the billions of doses given, is pretty weak sauce: 

With 5.6 billion doses given worldwide, 10,000 deaths means the vaccine is safer than driving a car.  You've got a better chance of being hit by lightning, twice, than having a serious negative covid vax event.  Especially considering that any lying agenda driven yayhoo was able to submit an entry to VAERS on the topic.  

 

 

[Ironhold]

10 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Well, to be honest, I still haven't realized any of that jargle, even after looking seriously for something to substantiate it for years.  I mean, the vaccines were far less effective than we hoped (and the government pushed).  And it's now becoming more accepted that 'vaccine' isn't an accurate description of it - it's better thought of as a 'therapeutic'.  But far less safe?  What's your data for that?  The thing has gone into literally billions of arms.  Every nation on earth has a health service or ministry or center of some sort - you'd think it would be easy to find.    The negative impacts are indeed 'told', but the last I checked, it was a similar rate to any other sort of related therapeutic.

I mean, you can't find it in the December '24 House report, full of Republicans more than willing to pin dirt like that to Biden.  It claimed "The COVID-19 Vaccine, While Largely Safe and Effective, Had Adverse Events That Must be Throughoughly Investigated"   It's chart, when compared with the billions of doses given, is pretty weak sauce: 

With 5.6 billion doses given worldwide, 10,000 deaths means the vaccine is safer than driving a car.  You've got a better chance of being hit by lightning, twice, than having a serious negative covid vax event.  Especially considering that any lying agenda driven yayhoo was able to submit an entry to VAERS on the topic.  

 

 

...Except, now I'm wondering what the safety numbers are for other traditional vaccines...

[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, Backroads said:

One of my favorite LDS mom group horror stories was a lady who claimed she had received revelation that she was on a higher spiritual plane than the prophet and that's why she didn't vaccinate her kids (any vaccines) and knew the prophet would one day be punished for allowing vaccines.

That's pretty messed up.

I just figured that the advice was a mortal advice from a mortal doctor.  And I treated it as such.  

Sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're wrong.  Most of the time their advice is more educated than a layperson.  But it doesn't make it gospel.

I believed that Pres Nelson made the announcement because (as far as I heard) there were far too many Saints who were claiming a religious exemption, when it had nothing to do with our religion.

The big concern I had was about the myocarditis and pericarditis.  People raised the question, and no one seemed to be answering.  They just blew it off without explanation.  Just denial, denial, denial.  That's what got me worried.

I never claimed that I was sure the jab was causing it.  But I was concerned that no one was addressing it.

Now, after all the panic and hoopla is over... after Pfizer made their billions already and don't push it anymore... we find two interesting pieces of information.

Normally, we see incidence of myocarditis in about 10 per 100,000.  And it normally affects young men (regardless of health).

But during the height of the jab, we saw this jump to 20 per 100,000.   And it still predominantly affected young men.

So, what are we to determine from this?  The rate jumped by about 100%.  But it is still an extremely small percentage of the population.  Based on that data, I don't really know either way.

Since a standard (that I've seen, anyway) is that if a drug/medication/etc. causes a mortality rate of 1/1,000 it is of concern.  Sometimes 1/10,000 is enough to actually investigate further.

If it is at a rate of 1/100, then they don't recommend the medication. And over 2% is automatically pulled off the market.

Well, by that standard, it looks like the jab was on the borderline of being safe or not.  And it is largely a matter of opinion.

AFAIK, this information was available during the pandemic.  Why didn't they just share this with us?  I'd bet it would shut up a lot of conspiracy theorists. 

I just wanted to know the facts.  But All I heard was that "you're too ignorant to understand that we're doing what is good for you."  Yeah, that bugged me.

Edited yesterday at 10:23 PM by Carborendum

[mirkwood]

Speaking to the non covid shot.  I think we give too many vaccinations to infants too quickly.  I think they should be spaced out over a longer period of time.

 

@Carborendum nailed it on the head in regard to Pres. Nelson and his urge to take the Covid shot.  Then a whole crapton of LDS went on a self righteous tour of the world if you did not take the prophetically revealed Covid shot.  

[NeuroTypical]

16 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Normally, we see incidence of myocarditis in about 10 per 100,000.  And it normally affects young men (regardless of health).

But during the height of the jab, we saw this jump to 20 per 100,000.   And it still predominantly affected young men.

So again, 5.6 billion doses went into ~5 billion humans.  If the world suddenly saw an extra quarter million myocarditis cases, as that unsourced factoid claims, do you not think various national and world health organizations would have written a paper on it?  I mean, they can't all be sharing the agenda to keep you in the dark, can they?

[LDSGator]

6 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

So again, 5.6 billion doses went into ~5 billion humans.  If the world suddenly saw an extra quarter million myocarditis cases, as that unsourced factoid claims, do you not think various national and world health organizations would have written a paper on it?  I mean, they can't all be sharing the agenda to keep you in the dark, can they?

you are correct of course, but that doesn’t matter. If someone wants to believe in some grand conspiracy where the WHO is controlling everything there’s precious little you can do to convince them otherwise. 
 

If I was more diabolical I’d spend my time making up wild claims, labeling them as “conspiracies”, telling people large groups are out to get them, sit back and watch. Maybe some day. 

[Ironhold]

In my personal case? 

At the end of February 2021, I got really sick for a few days. I'd just had to put my cat of 16+ years down due to cancer, I'd had to pet-sit the surviving family cat while my parents were out of state, we'd just survived three days without power due to the grid shutting down in Texas, et cetera. I didn't know what I was dealing with, just that it was knocking me for a loop. I was just fine and dandy on Wednesday when we got power back, and Thursday I was suddenly so sick that I had to call for help to finish handling the incoming newspapers that week. That's how rapidly it got me.

I wasn't able to simply sit back and do nothing, however, as a day or so later dad got a far more wicked version of whatever I was dealing with, to the point that I had to crawl up off of the couch to give him a blessing. 

I have no idea what that was, just that for about a week after I was sensitive to the amount of salt that was in the food I was eating and my stomach was queasy. It could have been Covid, it could have been a consequence of smoke inhalation or something else relating to the blizzard and loss of power. 

Well, August 2021 was Bell County Comic-Con in Belton, Texas. A childhood hero was going to be one of the guests and I wanted more than anything to go. However, my car was already beginning to have mechanical issues of the kind that wouldn't have allowed me to make the trip on my own, and so I needed to use the family truck. Given how sick dad and I were in February, mom basically pressured dad into saying that I couldn't use it unless I got the jab. 

I go to the local Wal-Mart pharmacy. I tell them I have an arrythmia. They have to look it up to see if they can give me the Moderna vaccine. They find nothing to indicate that there are problems with giving the jab to someone who has arrythmia. 

I get the first shot. I'm almost immediately as low as I was back when I got sick that February. We go to Comic-Con, during which she goes into hysterics demanding that I wear a cloth mask for the entire duration minus celebrity photos despite knowing full well my sinuses are so screwed up from old injury that I need to breathe through my mouth. I stumble through everything, get back to the family truck, take that cloth mask off, and there's an instant shower of blood from my nose as the strain of trying to breath through those damaged sinuses was too much. It literally takes the sight of my shirt and the seatbelt covered in my own blood for mom to realize that she should have listened to me. 

A few weeks later I'm due for the booster. Well, dad didn't read the calendar. He's building a brick shed out back, just brought home a 400+ pound front door for the shed that he welded together from scrap iron at work, and I have to help him move it the same day I'm due for my booster because he scheduled a load of gravel (which you have to mix in with the concrete mix he bought) to be delivered and the door plus the truck it's in the bed of are in the driveway where the gravel needs to go. 

By the time everything is said and done I can feel my blood pressure throughout my entire body, and I'm low for even longer than that mystery sickness left me. 

I tell mom I'm not getting any more shots. 

That October, the Associated Press runs a story noting that the medical boards of Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark have put various restrictions on the use of the Moderna vaccine while they investigate reports of cardiovascular side effects in patients who received it, this at the same time as the FDA here in the US is swearing on a stack of Communist Manifestos that the Moderna vaccine is perfectly safe for children. 

I make it very, very clear that there will be no more Covid vaccines, and that as far as I'm concerned I just got poison in my veins. 

It's four years later, I've had a slew of stress-induced cardiovascular health episodes to include what may or may not have been an actual heart attack, and mom is still trying to defend her decision to coerce me into getting the jab even though she's gone with me to several cardiology appointments. 

Yeah...

Is it any wonder I'm one of the great many people who want a full investigation into the Covid vaccines and is taking the blanket pardons issued during the final days of the Biden regime as retroactive proof that the government did us all dirty?

[LDSGator]

1 minute ago, Ironhold said:

I'd just had to put my cat of 16+ years down due to cancer,

That’s awful. I’m so sorry bro. I lost two dogs to cancer and it’s a staggering blow. 

[Ironhold]

13 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

So again, 5.6 billion doses went into ~5 billion humans.  If the world suddenly saw an extra quarter million myocarditis cases, as that unsourced factoid claims, do you not think various national and world health organizations would have written a paper on it?  I mean, they can't all be sharing the agenda to keep you in the dark, can they?

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-denmark-public-health-health-453163d8f93618fde90c06d3474921a0

Note the date on this article. 

While Finland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, and Denmark were all putting various restrictions on the use of the Moderna vaccine so they could investigate reports of cardiovascular side effects, the US government was swearing on a stack of Communist Manifestos that the Moderna vaccine was 100% safe for people of all ages. 

So yes, there were investigations. They were just inconveniently timed, however. 

[Backroads]

53 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

you are correct of course, but that doesn’t matter. If someone wants to believe in some grand conspiracy where the WHO is controlling everything there’s precious little you can do to convince them otherwise. 
 

If I was more diabolical I’d spend my time making up wild claims, labeling them as “conspiracies”, telling people large groups are out to get them, sit back and watch. Maybe some day. 

 Then there's me who really does think there is a Big Natural Health conspiracy that is intentionally trying to reintroduce diseases.

[LDSGator]

I try not to attribute to malice what I can attribute to ignorance and stupidity. The natural health people mean well but are way off base. 

I think a minority of conspiracy theorists are the same. Mostly well meaning, but that doesn’t mean they are right. 
 
I absolutely think the majority of conspiracy theorists want to show off, pretend they are smarter than everyone else, have a martyr complex, etc   

[LDSGator]

17 minutes ago, Backroads said:

 Then there's me who really does think there is a Big Natural Health conspiracy that is intentionally trying to reintroduce diseases.

I do think some hawk “natural cures” and know it’s snake oil. We all have families to feed but those are type of people are lower than common thieves. At least a thief doesn’t tell you he can cure your stage 4 cancer with peach pits. 

[mirkwood]

There were some of us at work who did not get the covid shot.  Pretty much everyone in the agency caught covid and many had it more than once.  100% of the hospitalizations from covid in my agency had taken the shot.

Let me repeat that: 100% of the hospitalizations in my agency took the shot. 

 

I also took ivermectin while being treated.  Seemed pretty dang effective to take an anti-viral for a virus.

Edited 6 hours ago by mirkwood

[Carborendum]

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

So again, 5.6 billion doses went into ~5 billion humans.  If the world suddenly saw an extra quarter million myocarditis cases, as that unsourced factoid claims, do you not think various national and world health organizations would have written a paper on it?  I mean, they can't all be sharing the agenda to keep you in the dark, can they?

You seem to have missed the very next sentence and how that further shaped my position/reaction.

My complaint was not that it was a conspiracy.  It was that no one was even looking at the time.  No one in power even cared what the "facts" were.

It turned out that the numbers were indeed very large.  But the percentage of people was very low.  That would have been (or at least should have been) a satisfactory answer.  But the fact that they simply blew off the question without really looking was objectionable.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carborendum