Trump (Or any Subject) Derangement Syndrome

[Ironhold]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

This is a halfway decent look into the similarities and differences.   https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/flu-vs-covid19.html   It's hardly perfect and gets some things wrong, but no, the lab-engineered covid wasn't/isn't "just another flu".   There's no such thing as long-haul flu, flu doesn't give you blood clots or MIS, for example. 

 

The humans will probably be arguing for the next decade, not just about the impacts and how many people have died of covid, but the efficacy and tradeoffs of all the measures govts took in response.   I think there's growing consensus that closing the schools was a bad idea that will have negative ripple effects for the next decade or two as our children grow.  There will never be a consensus about the government writing stimulus checks after sending us all into quarantine and the link to 14% inflation, because there never is a consensus about economics.  And most everybody has already forgotten about the various horror stories about nonvaxxed getting fired, people arrested for walking on an empty beach, criminalizing religious gatherings while protecting riots, etc.   2020 and 2021 were such crapfest years.

Trust me - there are people who remember. 

[Ironhold]

In all seriousness, the town I live in is relatively peaceful. 

In a normal year, we have 1 - 2 homicides, and the police generally crack the case within a reasonable amount of time. 

In 2020, we had 6+ homicides. 

...With most of the deaths coming from a family annihilation. 

...That has been attributed to the lockdown. 

That's what is going to stick with me more than anything else, the fact that the stress caused by the lockdown led to an entire family no longer being alive. 

[mirkwood]

6 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

It's hardly perfect and gets some things wrong, but no, the lab-engineered covid wasn't/isn't "just another flu".   There's no such thing as long-haul flu, flu doesn't give you blood clots or MIS, for example. 

 

Good point.

 

@Carborendum's response has good points as well.

Edited May 6 by mirkwood

[Ironhold]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-hogg-vice-chair-vote-dnc-democrats/

Young Democrats voted twenty-something gun control advocate David Hogg into a senior leadership position in the hopes that he would reform the party from within by forcing it to listen to younger voices. 

Older Democrats have now made it clear they intend to void his election due to a "procedural error" in what I'm already seeing some people speculate is retaliation for his efforts to upset the current order. 

Yeah, I'm thinking that 2026 isn't going to go as the Democrats want.

[NeuroTypical]

16 hours ago, Ironhold said:

David Hogg

 

In other news, 1979 saw the release of the movie Pink Floyd's The Wall, a musical warning about how a traumatized person could accidentally trigger the rise of fascism in Great Britain. 

 

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Older Democrats have now made it clear they intend to void his election due to a "procedural error"

Apparently, the procedural error is that Hogg is a male. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/us/politics/david-hogg-dnc-democrats.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/12/hogg-dnc-leadership-election-vote/

(Both are behind a paywall for me, but according to Wikipdeia, his election was a "violation of DNC rules requiring gender diversity for party officers".

Edited Wednesday at 02:09 PM by NeuroTypical

[Ironhold]

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

In other news, 1979 saw the release of the movie Pink Floyd's The Wall, a musical warning about how a traumatized person could accidentally trigger the rise of fascism in Great Britain. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall#Plot

The original album is a *lot* different, with Pink hallucinating that he's a fascist leader after having been forced out of his hotel room and given drugs so that he could perform, leading to a meltdown on stage. 

The movie is a lot more surreal in nature, leading to a lot of what the album was trying to say being inadvertently lost in translation.  

 

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, Ironhold said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall#Plot

 

Yeah, I grew up with both the album and the movie.  The wiki entry doesn't do it justice.  This one does a little better: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Flesh%3F/In_the_Flesh

My WWII vet dad (and a lot of his generation) spent quite a bit of time trying to educate us kids about how fascism took hold in Germany and how it could happen again.  Teenage me in the early '80's marveled at how Pink Floyd was basically telling the same story to the pot smoking hippies, that my dad and his generation were telling to their children.   The movie did an okay (not great, but okay) job of showing how an angry charismatic leader can capitalize on the shared trauma and problems of a postwar society, and rise to power by riling up the youth against imagined enemies in their midst.   

Anyway, David Hogg surely is doing his best "angry charismatic leader trying to capitalize on the shared trauma and problems" of gun violence in America.  And he certainly looks similar to dictator Geldof.  If the DNC is kicking him out, I'm ok with that. 

Everyone needs to remember who the brownshirts were, their tactics, their impacts.  

Edited Wednesday at 07:32 PM by NeuroTypical

[Phoenix_person]

22 hours ago, Ironhold said:

Yeah, I'm thinking that 2026 isn't going to go as the Democrats want.

It's a rebuilding year.

51 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Anyway, David Hogg surely is doing his best "angry charismatic leader trying to capitalize on the shared trauma and problems" of gun violence in America.  And he certainly looks similar to dictator Geldof.  If the DNC is kicking him out, I'm ok with that. 

How about an angry charismatic leader trying to capitalize on the xenophobia of his base? I can pull fascist narratives out of thin air too.

51 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Everyone needs to remember who the brownshirts were, their tactics, their impacts.  

Recent news stories have offered a pretty clear reminder.

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-battle-mom-baby-chaotic-video-worcester-2070027

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:21 PM by Phoenix_person

[NeuroTypical]

4 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said:

55 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Everyone needs to remember who the brownshirts were, their tactics, their impacts.  

Recent news stories have offered a pretty clear reminder.

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-battle-mom-baby-chaotic-video-worcester-2070027

Oy.   Such a tragically, emotion-based, nonserious take, FP.   I mean, yes, my Bragg/Pink Floyd comparison was mostly nonserious as well, so if you intended your post to be a reflection of mine, then I can understand and appreciate that. 

Up until your comparisons about the brownshirts.  

In one situation, ICE agents (or any law enforcement body, for that matter), scuffling with people intent on hampering the execution of lawful actions.   In the other, an informal group of party bodyguard agitators who beat up dissenters at party rallies and beat up shopkeepers and invade/disrupt/bring violence to opposing parties events, eventually form the paramilitary wing of the notzie party under control of Oberster SA-Führer Hitler.  

No really - this should span political sides and ideologies.  We should remember who the brownshirts were, their tactics, their impacts. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

[Phoenix_person]

2 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Oy.   Such a tragically, emotion-based, nonserious take, FP.   I mean, yes, my Bragg/Pink Floyd comparison was mostly nonserious as well, so if you intended your post to be a reflection of mine, then I can understand and appreciate that. 

Up until your comparisons about the brownshirts.  

In one situation, ICE agents (or any law enforcement body, for that matter), scuffling with people intent on hampering the execution of lawful actions. 

ICE is making arrests without warrants and deporting people without due process, and Trump is calling it legal. The actions of the SS were considered lawful actions by the German government, and they didn't start with herding people into trains. They started with things like this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/05/10/trump-stephen-miller-habeas-corpus-constitution/83554334007/

2 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

 In the other, an informal group of party bodyguard agitators who beat up dissenters at party rallies and beat up shopkeepers and invade/disrupt/bring violence to opposing parties events, eventually form the paramilitary wing of the notzie party under control of Oberster SA-Führer Hitler.  

You mean like this?

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/idp-and-partners-release-briefing-guide-on-ices-secretive-citizen-academy-programs-with-documents-uncovered-through-foia-litigation/

2 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

No really - this should span political sides and ideologies.  We should remember who the brownshirts were, their tactics, their impacts. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

I agree that there it's important to look for red flags in both major political parties, and my disdain for the DNC shouldn't be a secret at this point. I don't know that David Hogg would be my pick to lead a far left reform movement, mainly because his gun views align more with liberal Dems than leftists, and that could swifly become a problem in today's political climate. Trump has created a lot of 2A enthusiasts on my side of the fence.

[NeuroTypical]

I'm ok with (more than ok with, I'm enthusiastically in favor of) people reading the history of the brownshirts and leveling comparisons against whomever they wish.   When it fits, it's an indication something needs to change. 

This doesn't fit: 

29 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said:

You mean like this?

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/idp-and-partners-release-briefing-guide-on-ices-secretive-citizen-academy-programs-with-documents-uncovered-through-foia-litigation/

lol "secretive": https://www.ice.gov/outreach-programs/citizens-academy

This article is a poorly reasoned hit piece, full of inflammatory language, written by people who are not in favor of the law when it comes to laws being enforced against folks they know.    Imagine being mad that a government agency is so transparent, they actually put time/effort/budget into teaching whoever wants to learn all about what they do.  Imagine refusing to actually attend a class, and then writing a hit piece against it.

You wanna know how to turn @Phoenix_person into a fan of ICE?  Have him do a ride-along with ICE agents.   Similar to this phenomenon: 

In related news, I've been something of an afficionado of my local law enforcement citizens academies.  I've attended 3 - local small town, Colorado Springs, and my county's academies.   Pretty interesting things.  I found all three of them to be genuine attempts at outreach to the communities served by these agencies.  All three were welcoming and receptive of criticisms/complaints/issues/suggestions.   I volunteered for a taser demonstration at one, because I honestly didn't know what I thought about police using tasers.   I am a fan after having one used on me.  

I should say, I've attended 4 - but the one put on by my local government was SO BORING I stopped going after the 2nd session.  Sitting through a budget appropriations meeting is boring enough.  But sitting through a class about how they do budget appropriations?  It was like torture. 

So to answer your question, no, @Phoenix_person, not like that.   Drawing analogies between ICE citizens academies and the hitler youth or the brownshirts is sort of the height of nonserious accusation that folks have come to expect from the hysterical manipulative left.   If 2025 is supposed to be a rebuilding year, I think figuring out how to be better at making ludicrous analogies isn't going to get you the results you're hoping for. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:30 PM by NeuroTypical

[Carborendum]

4 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Everyone needs to remember who the brownshirts were, their tactics, their impacts.  

Like vandalizing any products associated with one's political enemies?  And having such vandals get off without any punishment?

Like having government officials hire mobs of protesters to help them physically attack their political enemies and make sure to blame the opposition for any wrong doing?

Edited yesterday at 12:17 AM by Carborendum

[Carborendum]

More Brownshirt activity:

Colorado prosecutor offers unlicensed and undocumented teen probation after deadly crash - CBS Colorado

Allowing "useful idiots" to avoid justice "just because."

Edited yesterday at 05:51 PM by Carborendum

[LDSGator]

22 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

don't know that David Hogg would be my pick to lead a far left reform movement, mainly because his gun views align more with liberal Dems than leftists,

That’s a losing issue for the dems, just like gay marriage is for the republicans. Your average non political young person (especially rural) wants to keep their guns, thank you-and doesn’t understand why someone is so against Mike and Jeff getting married 

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, LDSGator said:

23 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

gun views 

That’s a losing issue for the dems

[sobs in Coloradan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/semi-automatic-firearms-colorado-restrictive-gun-law-signed-governor-jared-polis/

[LDSGator]

56 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

[sobs in Coloradan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/semi-automatic-firearms-colorado-restrictive-gun-law-signed-governor-jared-polis/

I’m very disappointed in him. He had that libertarian vibe. 

[mirkwood]

2 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

[sobs in Coloradan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/semi-automatic-firearms-colorado-restrictive-gun-law-signed-governor-jared-polis/

Come back to Utah.  We love guns here.

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, mirkwood said:

Come back to Utah.  We love guns here.

Fortunately, the county housing my city continues to be deep red.

https://www.facebook.com/EPCSheriffsOffice/posts/pfbid0cKgviN3WNWXkXKpFBVEqtLQHsFZ7ybjhhgxJ3tH5epKaC8QzCs7qqwCjf2WzMooBl