Hypothetical male vs. female confrontation questions

[Vort]

7 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Technically, I think we are talking about “battery”, not “assault”.

My understanding is that not all states make the distinction.

[LDSGator]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1MaF8HNjzy/?mibextid=wwXIfr

here’s another highly skilled guy who chooses not to engage with others. It’s validating to me that he shares my opinion, he even brings up permanently injuring someone. Not worth it. 

Edited February 22 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

I raised my kiddos to think about things like this:   When we think about danger and staying safe, we practice 100 things. 

- 80 ways to 'not be there in the first place'.  We live in safe areas, go safe places, don't make ourselves targets of opportunity.

- 15 ways to 'run the other way'.  Leave situations.  End conversations and walk away.  Take a different route.

- 3 ways to hide.  Become invisible.  Get behind a locked door.  Disappear into a crowd. Go into a police station.  

- 2 ways to fight back.   Krav Maga and sticks and mace and pressure points are the first one.  The last one involves a weapon and stopping the threat as quickly as possible.

So if you ever come to me and say you had to hurt someone to escape danger, you should come ready to explain why the 99 other things we always practice didn't work.

[LDSGator]

58 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

So if you ever come to me and say you had to hurt someone to escape danger, you should come ready to explain why the 99 other things we always practice didn't work.

May I steal this? Seriously-I think it’s great to tell the students at TKD this. 

[NeuroTypical]

24 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

May I steal this? Seriously-I think it’s great to tell the students at TKD this. 

Absolutely.  And then it's your solemn duty to convert them all to Glockhood for that last one.   

[mirkwood]

I carry a gun for a living.  I pretty much carry one all the time and have done so for 30ish years now.  In all those years there has been only one time I thought about pulling my gun while not at work.  I had gone out with a buddy who worked for a different department for an evening and was in plain clothes.  We had a run in with some gang members.  One particular one did not like us much.  A couple weeks later I was with my wife in a Sears.  We were walking towards the parking lot and I saw that same gang member with a group of his buddies.  They were on the escalator going up to the second floor.  We made eye contact and he clearly recognized me.  I immediately knew he was going to turn around and come right back down.  My wife was looking at something and was not ready to leave.  I had two options.  Leave or likely end up pulling my gun on a half dozen turds.  I opted to leave.  As we headed out the doors I looked back and saw the group coming right back down the escalator as I expected.  The one I had already had a run in with was scanning the area I had been standing just a minute earlier.

 

Not using force whenever possible is the best option.

[Traveler]

58 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

I carry a gun for a living.  I pretty much carry one all the time and have done so for 30ish years now.  In all those years there has been only one time I thought about pulling my gun while not at work.  I had gone out with a buddy who worked for a different department for an evening and was in plain clothes.  We had a run in with some gang members.  One particular one did not like us much.  A couple weeks later I was with my wife in a Sears.  We were walking towards the parking lot and I saw that same gang member with a group of his buddies.  They were on the escalator going up to the second floor.  We made eye contact and he clearly recognized me.  I immediately knew he was going to turn around and come right back down.  My wife was looking at something and was not ready to leave.  I had two options.  Leave or likely end up pulling my gun on a half dozen turds.  I opted to leave.  As we headed out the doors I looked back and saw the group coming right back down the escalator as I expected.  The one I had already had a run in with was scanning the area I had been standing just a minute earlier.

 

Not using force whenever possible is the best option.

I wanted to post thanks to you and others like you for choosing the profession that you have.  I do not believe that force is ever an option when they are angry with rage.  I could not or should not do your job for a different reason.  Force should be avoided at all costs if it feeds into an adrenaline rush.

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

28 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Force should be avoided at all costs if it feeds into an adrenaline rush.

Amen. Adrenaline makes your brain stop thinking. 

[Traveler]

11 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Amen. Adrenaline makes your brain stop thinking. 

Who told you that?  The human brain never stops thinking – even during the different cycles of sleep.  It is just a specific part of the brain that produces adrenaline and kicks in a different kind of thinking.  🤪

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

5 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Who told you that?  The human brain never stops thinking – even during the different cycles of sleep.  It is just a specific part of the brain that produces adrenaline and kicks in a different kind of thinking.  🤪

 

The Traveler

Very true! 

[mirkwood]

You can create stress inoculation if you train (or do) something sufficiently.  This lets you control the adrenaline to a great extent.

[NeuroTypical]

Like this?

[Carborendum]

On 2/22/2025 at 9:26 AM, NeuroTypical said:

I raised my kiddos to think about things like this:   When we think about danger and staying safe, we practice 100 things. 

- 80 ways to 'not be there in the first place'.  We live in safe areas, go safe places, don't make ourselves targets of opportunity.

- 15 ways to 'run the other way'.  Leave situations.  End conversations and walk away.  Take a different route.

- 3 ways to hide.  Become invisible.  Get behind a locked door.  Disappear into a crowd. Go into a police station.  

- 2 ways to fight back.   Krav Maga and sticks and mace and pressure points are the first one.  The last one involves a weapon and stopping the threat as quickly as possible.

This seems reasonable to me except for the last one.  You are actually a large guy compared to me.  You have no idea how easy it is for a larger guy with no fight training (who is simply determined) to disable a guy my size.

I've got mid-level belts in 4 different martial arts.  I can break boards (inanimate objects).  But a determined big guy would still get through that if he was simply fast and agile.  I could have multiple black belts and it wouldn't do anything to him.  Pressure points?  I know a few.  And, yes, they work.  But if I get a guy with about 1/2" of fat and 1" of muscle on him and he won't feel a thing.  And that's IF I can get close enough to accurately hit that point before he uses his size to simply suplex me with one hand.

That is why I spend a lot of time at the range.  God made all men.  But Browning/Colt made them all equal.

Edited February 27 by Carborendum

[NeuroTypical]

I'm totally missing your issue with the last item.  The old adage doesn't go "never bring a knife to a gunfight, but bringing a large guy is just fine", does it?

Edited February 27 by NeuroTypical

[LDSGator]

6 hours ago, Carborendum said:

And, yes, they work

No, they don’t. Unless your opponent is asleep, incapacitated, or you sucker them with a grab and you know exactly what you doing with 40 years of experience .
 

And even then adrenaline can kick in, rendering your “pressure points technique”  largely useless.      

Edited February 27 by LDSGator

[LDSGator]

https://martialarts.stackexchange.com/questions/9280/is-pressure-point-striking-a-useful-skill-to-know-in-a-street-fight
 

“In summary, the pressure point knock-out stuff is either over-hyped or outright nonsense.” 

Edited February 27 by LDSGator

[LDSGator]

The reason so many martial arts geeks are so passionate about debunking “chi”, “pressure points”, and “no touch knockouts” is because it can get the believers really hurt. If you try any of this nonsense in a real self defense situation, you could get yourself seriously injured. 
 

It also dismisses the hard work that some of us have put in our craft. Some of us have been working at our art form for over a decade and to think you can walk into our world and pretend you can beat us with pressure point silliness is  insulting. 

[mirkwood]

5 hours ago, LDSGator said:

you can beat us with pressure point silliness is  insulting. 

 

What about acupuncture?

 

 

[LDSGator]

20 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

 

What about acupuncture?

 

 

 

Beat this one Officer Pressure Point. 

[Carborendum]

 

[Carborendum]

17 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I'm totally missing your issue with the last item.  The old adage doesn't go "never bring a knife to a gunfight, but bringing a large guy is just fine", does it?

OK, my turn to be confused.  The "last item" was spending time at the range.  What does that have to do with "bringing a large guy"?

[NeuroTypical]

3 hours ago, Carborendum said:

OK, my turn to be confused.  The "last item" was spending time at the range.  What does that have to do with "bringing a large guy"?

Me: "The last one involves a weapon and stopping the threat as quickly as possible."

You: "This seems reasonable to me except for the last one.  You are actually a large guy compared to me.  You have no idea how easy it is for a larger guy with no fight training (who is simply determined) to disable a guy my size."

Me: "I'm totally missing your issue with the last item.  The old adage doesn't go "never bring a knife to a gunfight, but bringing a large guy is just fine", does it?""

You: "OK, my turn to be confused.  The "last item" was spending time at the range.  What does that have to do with "bringing a large guy"?"

I gave a list of 100 things I think about self defense.  #100, the last item on the list, is employing a weapon to stop an impending threat of grievous bodily harm, when none of the other items on my list will work.  #99 is fighting back empty handed, or with something unlikely to cause serious harm.    So, you took issue with #100, and talked about how big people are better than they know at winning a physical fight against a smaller opponent.  I am missing your point.   #100 is when solving things physically isn't an option.  An example would be a scrawny 16 yr old 105 lb gang banger wannabe with a gun showing up to kill someone in my house in order to gain the respect of his gang.  He's got his gun out and is getting ready to shoot me and/or mine.  Me being big won't help me in that situation.  That's why #100 is on the list.

Does that resolve your confusion? 

Edited February 28 by NeuroTypical