Palerider

Death is part of the Plan of Salvation........

I encourage all Parents with small children to give their children the Sacrament.....its a teaching opportunity......even at the age of 3yrs.......

THE ST.LOUIS BLUES are singing the BLUES this year.....wait till next year.......GO BLUES!!!!!!!

I love hockey myself..............LOL

I am from St.Louis Missouri.....home of the ST.LOUIS CARDINALS and RAMS and the up and coming ST.LOUIS BLUES..............LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You feel sorry for my family.....I must have missed something here.......

Thanks for sharing that......I also have a book that is quite good.....titled....the History of the Church in the British Isles....I think thats the name of it........

I served in the Leeds England Mission.......I was in Huddersfield and Whitehaven and Scarborough and Worksop....had a great time there as a missionary

I think that most of all Churches appear to be on the Conservative side.....one thingabout the Church Leaders of the LDS Church there are Democrats and Republicans mixed in the list of General Authorities.....the reason I asked abouit Maggie.....I was there from 1979-1981......

Pushka.....not trying to be a smart aleck but Maggie Thatcher ......wasn't she voted back into power a few times and won big if I remember correctly.

When I have time....I like to surf the Internet.....computers......read books...especially on Church History...also enjoy going to the Church History sites.....watching sports on TV....and attending High School Football and Basketball games....and love to watch all sports.....and read magazines....

PC.......not trying to take away from what you have shared with us....but Archie Bunker always said of the 10 Commandments...."They must be pretty important...after all God put it in the top 10"....just wanted to share a bit of humor//////

great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point was that he could've in all likelihood escaped with the aid of his friends and the smuggled pistol. But he didn't escape. He stayed in jail, knowing he'd die. That's the "voluntary" part. The fact that he only used his pistol when his friends were threatened, to me, simply highlights his loyalty and courage. It's as if he said, "Kill me and I won't resist, but try to harm my friends whom I've promised I'll protect, and the pistol comes out." So if he hadn't promised his friends that he'd protect them from harm, when the mob tried to break down the door I honestly see Joseph standing and facing them without resistance as they gun him down. Interestingly enough, as it turns out, Joseph had means of escape (pistol), but didn't use it for his own protection...only for the protection of his friends. Thus, he voluntarily laid down his life...in the process trying to save his friends, not himself. Absolutely. He could have also run to avoid being put into jail when he knew he'd be killed there. He suffered for his beliefs and died for them; of course he was a martyr. Very good points Apostle Night and Mom of...Palerider and everyone else.. My thought is that he not only could have run, but he could have had the Nauvoo Militia protect him. If it was needed, but actually didn't Joseph travel to Carthage on his own on the basis that he was told that he would be put under armed guard awaiting a trial? I might be mixing up my facts, but the point is that he went to CARthage Jail via GOD's will ....that is he went WILLINGLY to Carthage instinctively knowing that he was, in his words..." walking as a lamb to the slaughter"(a SPUNKY lamb, but a lamb none-the-less). How could he be a man and just allow his friends to be killed, when he knew all along that it was part of the fulfillment of a prophesy given to him by heavenly messengers for him to be persecuted in that way?*RETORICAL QUESTION*....anyways, thanks for the comments all! He did not go by himself........Joseph and Hyrum Smith and John Taylor and Willard Richards and all together there were 15 people that went to Carthage....The four of them were put in jail.

Teaching them to sit thru sacrament can be tough.....it helps alot when they start into the Nursery.....there they get to learn about reverence also.....for myself.....I know parents are often concerned with the noise their kids make.....I am a bit different.....you can look at me on the stand and I am grinning when the little ones make some noise.......

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I believe it was Willard Richards who had the cane.....he used it to knock the guns away as they were pointed into the room.....never knocked but a few away......Hyrum was shot instantly by leaning on the door....

Biggest majority of the people that were after him wanted him to deny everything that happened to him......he would not deny anything over the years he served as Prophet....and yes he laid down his life for it.......for what he seen and what he did and what he believed......

You need to read just how many shots he did fire.....then after reading....you will see more was done with a cane than a gun....and I believe Joseph Smith was not the one with the cane. One other point.....Porter Rockwell could not stand it that his friend and Prophet was in Carthage....he told Joseph if he gave him the word he would get enough men together and level Carthage....Joseph Smith told him no and not to bring anyone to Carthage.....those who don't want to believe he wasn't a martyr.....then don't believe it....I for one as I mentioned earlier do believe and know he was a Prophet of God and died a Martyr......and the people or mob......

After meeting my Mission President for the first time he asked me what he asked all Missionaries....this took place while in a interview with him....he asked...can you share with me your testimony of Jesus Christ....my reply was at that time.....I am not sure what you mean....he taught me about the Savior that day and shared with me his Testimony of the Savior. He also told me while here over the next 2 years I would learn much much more about Christ and that my testimony would grow and I would have many opportunities to share it with others....WOW...he was right....We should all make Jesus Christ the center of our homes and use his life and teachings as an example to us, when teaching our children and everything we do.

Makes me wonder what people like this do in there spare time.....LOL

Yes.....he was a Martyr......Joseph knew this as he was leaving Nauvoo en route to Carthage.....when he turns for that last look at Nauvoo "The City of Beautifull" as he was on horseback...ke knew then he would not be coming back....

Thats great Traveler........its always important to have the spirit with you......don't lower your standards for anyone.....

I went to LDS.org and downloaded something so I could watch conference on my computer ....It was great!!!!!!!...........the last session got cut short cause we had a tornado come thru....we lost power for several hours and very minor house damage.......it could have been much worse......

I believe for those who watched President Hinckley speak lastnight and today will notice that he looked fine....he does have some weight loss....after going thru the surgery he had I am sure thats a common thing...other than that he looked great and does plan on speaking in October.....