Jim108

I understand your view however let me add this. I believe that the works done by my hands are not my works, but rather Gods. He works through me. So why would I get rewards for His works. The glory is Gods. Not mine. Anyway the threads subject is about baptism, so I am going to go to bed now and I am sorry that we got off track. Thanks for the debate, Jim

Your point system is a reward is it not?

Relax, there is no room here for debate on these terms. I stand by my belief and I respect yours. (...and that is not to mean that I am giving you permission to have a belief or any other unintended foggy innuendo on my part.)

Pam, you know that is not what I mean. We have Jesus in us. We do what Jesus would do the best we can. We just do not expect reward. The glory is Gods. Just because you don't get a reward does not mean you stop doing good. I know you from your posts to know that you have Jesus in your heart and would do good for the only reason that it is the right thing to do. It's Love.

"...simply following the path of Jesus." Yes, that is well said.

"I kind of like to think that some of the good works I do is somehow getting me SOME points." Pam, no points, no score. Salvation has no scoring accept for thumbs up or thumbs down. Simple.

Ogre, here is my post "With my faith there is no celestial or terrestrial or glory. I am not interested in glory or rewards or any other kind of Earthly or Heavenly Pay Back. I am a servant of Christ with no expectaions of gain. His will be done." I do not mention LDS anywhere in it and I am not your mother to allow you to believe in what you want. I take acception with your putting words and meaning in my posts that do not exist. Debate my post yes, but do not add verbiage to my posts please. If I wanted to say those things I would have.

Ogre, please read my post again, I do not state any belief other than my own. I did not make any claims regarding the LDS or any other religion. Ogre you have a right to believe in what you want to.

I accept the concept of heeaven. I just do not accept that it is some kind of pay back for being a good little boy and doing my works. I am saved by grace alone and that is only afforded to me by my belief in Jesus. My works have no value toward my entry into heaven as my entry is allowed by grace alone. Appart from faith, entry into heaven is not of my own doing.

With my faith there is no celestial or terrestrial or glory. I am not interested in glory or rewards or any other kind of Earthly or Heavenly Pay Back. I am a servant of Christ with no expectaions of gain. His will be done.

"2. Testimony that the Book of Mormon is scripture from God" Why the book of mormon only. Lets add the bible too!!!

"You only need faith in Christ to receive Terrestrial glory." I agree, but would truncate your statement to say "you only need Christ"

AJ4U, that was one of the best explanations of babtism I have ever read. You are right on. Thank you so much for posting it.

"It seems to me that it is not possible to divorce our earthly life, thoughts, feelings and actions from becoming more Christ-like in our behavior." ...and the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Good one. Very funny!

Congrats, you should be very proud. WAY TO GO.

God Bless your son and family. May Jesus keep him safe.

Most of you gave answers of Earthly things. It's time to let go. Jesus gives my life meaning. Only by Him do I have eternal life.

I would rather just call you friend. Because thats what you are.

Great Post. I would also like to thank all of you have served to make this country the best place to live in the world. Your efforts have not gone unnoticed. May God keep you and your family safe and warm. God bless you all. Jim

The right things become easy when you are born again. You no longer care of Earthly things. Your camel no longer is weighted down and you can fit through the eye of the needle.

Bro. Rudick, this post most be a record for length. Way to go.

Yes it does. Thank you for bringing this up. Jesus is God.

I am with you, I don't get it either. Fall in love, get married and I don't care about differences in race, color, ear size, hair color, beer brand etc. This is silly.

"Afterwards he said to me, that he has also heard said, that some spirits from other words wanted to change over to Earth as we have Jesus." ....UUHHHH....Say What?