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I recently was introduced to the idea that the garments that were made for Adam in the Garden of Eden by God were handed down from father to son, stolen, and then recovered until they became what we now recognize as Joseph's Coat of Many Colors. See Stolen Garment, and Alma 46:24 Which then made me wonder how many different relics are out there that we believe in. Old Testament Ark of the Covenant 10 comandments - Deuteronomy 31:26 Aaron's Rod & Pot of Manna - Hebrews 9:4 Book of Mormon Brass Plates - Mosiah 1: 16 Urim and Thummin - Ether 3: 23 Sword or Laban Liahona

In my opinion it is implied. Just because there are only 2 groups that are listed does not mean that there are not other groups... Take for instance, Heaven. Many Christians believe that heaven in only one place. LDS group heaven into either 3 or 5 divisions. Depending upon how you look at it.

Yes it is a "third part". The 1828 definition of the word 'part' does not really bring any clarity to the discussion... I bet you that I can divide an orange into 5 unequal parts. I have never seen any mention of 2/3 part in the scripture.

No, I haven't heard any definitive commentary either way. The scripture in question says "third part" not one third. In my mind it is simpler to think of three groups. There have been multiple threads on this site discussing the difference between 1/3 and 3 parts. See http://www.lds.net/forums/lds-gospel-discussion/42560-1-3-1-3-part-cast-out-heaven.html One third part host all men? | Ask Gramps The point of this thread is to to discuss this third part that is not directly mentioned. Many have indicated that this third group coud have been fence sitters, but that concept never has sat well with me.

From Sunday AM conference Oct 2005, Richard G Scott, Truth Restored. "And they who keep their first estate [that is to be obedient in the premortal existence] shall be added upon; ... and they who keep their second estate [that is, to be obedient during mortal life] shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever." (Abraham 3:24-26)

Yeah, McConkie put forth this idea pre-1978. I never liked that idea. Moses 5:24 seems to imply that Cain was a rotten apple (way worse than a fence sitter) during the pre-mortal existence, yet He still chose Jehovah's plan. Just from general observation of our fellow human beings, I have come to the conclusion that there must have been a wide spectrum of Nobel - lukeware - scumbags that chose to follow Jehovah.

D&C 29: 36 states that a thrid part of the hosts of heaven sided with Lucifer. This third part is not 33.3% but a third part. If so, then it begs the question. What are the 3 parts? While having a discussion with my lovely wife this evening. I came to the realization... Group A - Those spirits who chose to follow Jehovah Group B - Those spirits who chose to follow Lucifer Group C - Possibly this group of Elohim's spirit children were satisfied with their level of progression. They did not want to leave the nest and chose to stay as spirits forever in God's presence.

"The proper way for a man to pray," ****Said Deacon Lemuel Keyes, "And the only proper attitude ****Is down upon his knees." "No, I should say the way to pray," ****Said Rev. Doctor Wise, "Is standing straight with outstretched arms ****And rapt and upturned eyes." "Oh, no; no, no," said Elder Slow, ****"Such posture is too proud: A man should pray with eyes fast closed ****And head contritely bowed." "It seems to me his hands should be ****Austerely clasped in front. With both thumbs pointing toward the ground," ****Said Rev. Doctor Blunt. "Las' year I fell in Hodgkin's well ****Head first," said Cyrus Brown, "With both my heels a-stickin' up, ****My head a-pinting down; "An' I made a prayer right then an' there-- ****Best prayer I ever said, The prayingest prayer I ever prayed, ****A-standing on my head." ************************************Sam Walter Foss.

Revelations 12:11 and they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Alma 43 & 44 can be read allegorically to give insight to the war in heaven: Moroni = Michael the Archangel Zerahemnah = Lucifer Alma 43:45 Nevertheless, the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for monarchy nor power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.

Sure. Avoid processed foods. Fresh fruits and vegetables are awesome. Eggs are great. Find foods you love and cook them yourself. Use a food diary. It is the best way to really understand what you are eating. I recommend Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com. It is free, easy, intuitive, and fun. They have apps for the iPhone and android. I have found a simple heart rate monitor watch indispensable for tracking and motivating my workouts. Diets don't work. Lifestyle changes do.

The point is that meat can be found in abundance at the church schools, the MTC, and even in temple cafeterias. Although the WoW mentions to eat meat sparingly it has never been enforced. Adam ate meat. A part of the old testament practice of sacrifice included the priests consuming the meat of the animals. How many shepherds are mentioned in the scriptures? Shepherds tended livestock not only for milk but for the flesh of the animals... I have B.S. in nutrition science. The USDA stock of poultry, beef, and pork are very safe. I personally prefer grass fed and hormone / antibiotic free beef, free range chicken, and my bacon thick cut and peppered! I believe that the greatest threat to the health of Americans is corn. Go watch the documentary King Corn if you want a good scare. The vast majority of the corn we raise is actually indelible. It is caloric dense and nutritionally deficient (high fructose corn syrup...) Judging by the waistline of Americans, Mormons included, we would be better off if the WoW recommended that we eat calories sparingly, and worked out every once in a while... A vegan diet is devoid of vit B12. Vitamin B12 deficiency can potentially cause severe and irreversible damage, especially to the brain and nervous system.

Bar-b-que at my house on the 4th! You know at BYU campus you have a hard time finding a soda with caffeine as an ingredient. But you can get pork, beef, or chicken at any time of day...

The answer is in D&C 76: 44-48

I droped my eldest son off at BYU-Idaho a couple weeks ago and found a caffiene free diet mountain dew. I think it was the worst beverage I've ever had. And thats saying alot...

I've thought about it too. I wouldn't be suprised if there were multiple other locations where other groups of His spiritual children are progressing through their own pre-mortal existence... If so, does each one of those groups have their own war in heaven and "only begotton son" that applies to them or does Jehovah provide the atonement for all?

Moses 3:4-7 Makes it pretty difficult to deny a spiritual creation of man...

Informed Consent is a legal term. It is a concept invented by lawyers not medical doctors. Im sure that we were all informed about our risks, benefits and options of the decision to embark upon the plan of salvation. Anacephalic births that survive on life support must at least have a brain stem. They may not have a forebrain but they are getting some feedback. There has also been some commentary by past general authorities that such children may be able to be experience more of a mortal existence during the mellinnium.

I found a 1909 official document with the phrase. The Origin of Man - Ensign Feb. 2002 - ensign

I cannot find the phrase "only begotten son of God the Father in the flesh" anywhere in our scriptures. I see the phrase all the time in church manuals and talks. Anyone know who or when we (Mormons) started using the the phrase? John 3:16, D&C 93:11, 2 Nephi 25:12 & Moses 6:52 are scriptures that are used to support the phrase but none of the verses actually really do.

So sorry, I don't feel qualified to answer this question...

lol, how do you urinate?

As long as you teach out of the manual and don't add your own doctrine into the lessons... On the drive home from church I ask all my children what they learned during class. Sometimes I just shake my head and have to correct some false doctrines that have been dispensed during primary class.

I would apply the terms of firstborn and birthright, in this thread, to our relationship to God not our earthly parents. Just to avoid confusion. To me our birthright means that we are children of God. That we have the opportunity to obtain a human body, experience sin, learn, become resurrected and then (depending upon our worthiness and dedication) be assigned to a kingdom of Glory that we are worthy of receiving. Firstborn is a much greater tittle. I believe that those that become members of the Church of the Firstborn, will be those that receive all that the Father hath. D&C 93:20-22 D&C 76:52-55, 94-95 D&C 78:17-22 In my opinion, if you are not a member of the Church of the Firstborn, you don't get much of an inheritance...

I agree. To those who are inspired by the Holy Ghost, Gospel truth can be found anywhere. And the classification and defination of doctrine are not very important. But for those who are not inspired (such as the news media) it is important that they know that the LDS Church bases its truth on the scriptures, not on a BYU professor's take on history, or for that matter on a random posters comments in a lds discussion board... Furthermore, if we enter into a discussion on these forums and one poster uses a personal ancedote whereas another poster uses the scriptures to support their position. The scripture quote should be viewed as a more credible source...

Nah, see next to last paragraph. The issue is that your personal revelation applies to you (and perhaps your family). Not to me or anyone else.