martybess

It will make some man and women feel awkward to see men crying but most will understand and will be all the better for it.

Vort the gospel/church is not the military or police force. We are not trained to hold feelings in so we can accomplish our objective. If you were put into a situation where lives depended on your valor then yes weeping is not exceptable. I just had a son marry a wonderful women (well I have three boys marry this year) but this one has had a hard life. His mission to mexico city just about killed him. He came home standing 5' 11" tall and only 120 pounds. He's now 29 years old and a newlywed I was asked to speak a bit about him during a dinner with the in laws and I cried like a baby. I was pretty embarrassed about it so I know where your coming from but I just tell myself it's that time in life for me. BTW I have seen members of the 12 and president Hinckley weep. Yes some in your ward might of thought what a baby but I can guarantee you more were touched by it. -Marty

Where on earth do these scrolls come from??? Looks hand done, are they yours? -Marty

It sounds to me were all on the same page here. We all agree that doubting is not necessarily a bad thing. That not doubting can be a good thing and a bad thing depending. I think if one doubts than they need to put it to the test. If I doubt the gospel is true than I must either confirm my doubts or confirm it's true or somewhere in between until I receive that witness that it's right or it's wrong. One must put it to the test and be on the path to knowing true or it's not true. That is way the scriptures say "be believing" for that is the way to confirmation. That's the key ingredient as far as the gospel is concerned, why because God has promised it so and he does not lie. In the world however we can be deceived so we MUST DOUBT. It's a shame it has to be so but it is. -Marty

To me doubt and not knowing can be different. I can not know something for myself but believe without doubt in faith. But then again maybe this is knowing because in this situation I feel the spirit confirming it to me. I guess????

Yes that had to be the case. Humility can border on doubt I guess in a way. I guess that's way there's so many scriptures about his help for our weaknesses/doubts. Sorry for so many scriptures. I felt like reading a bunch tonight. Tee Hee. Psa 4:5 KJV - Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD. Psa 18:2 KJV - The LORD [is] my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, [and] my high tower. Psa 34:22 KJV - The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. Psa 37:40 KJV - And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him. Psa 73:28 KJV - But [it is] good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works. Psa 91:2 KJV - I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Pro 3:5 KJV - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Pro 28:25 KJV - He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat. Ouch..... I don't want the fat part. Pro 29:25 KJV - The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe. Mosiah 7: 33 33 But if ye will aturn to the Lord with full purpose of heart, and put your trust in him, and serve him with all bdiligence of mind, if ye do this, he will, according to his own will and pleasure, deliver you out of bondage. -Marty

Amen!

A question.....can satan even abide on a terrestrial realm? Also will the earth be put back into a telestial realm and HF spirit removed for a finale testing at the end of the 1000 years? Was not his spirit withdrawn from the Savior while in the garden? The total withdrawal would kill us all off but the withdrawal of that which will be upon the earth during the millennium putting the earth back to it's telestial state. Na, really mother earth could not bare it and would break up. hmmmmmm

Oh wow! Awesome quote!!! I think having doubt is having an open mind too. If I believe my father lets say when he tells me blacks (sorry not singling anyone out here) are bad than I become a racist. That might be a bad example but you get the point. President Kimble doubted his abilities and his calling as prophet. -Marty

Amen! Look unto me the savior said! Doubt not! Fear not! Go forth in faith, BELIEVE! But keeping in mind doubt can also be a good thing many times for it here that answers, strength and conviction are born! It is the process! Do not follow like sheep, you will not grow past apathy. -Marty Ps. Great scriptures and quotes changed!

True!-Marty

Is doubt ok? I know doubt is spiritual poison that stunts eternal growth and that we must first feel our way before we can see it with any clarity. I have often wondered if the real problem with members including myself is Doubt. How much does it play in stunting ones progress? We like Thomas, are prone to forget the evidences of Christ’s matchless life and power. Thomas would not believe until he had seen the resurrected Savior himself. But is this bad we ask ourselves? It is a negative emotion related to fear but when you look at the life of Joseph Smith, did he not doubt the other sects were wrong? Possibly Joseph Smith greatest attribute indeed was faith. At the age of 14 did he just give up in the mist of his doubt and the pressures from others in his community, no. One must have doubts in life but the key is a solid belief in our Lord and Savior and that through a life of struggles in time those doubts will be replaced with belief. This is key in our development to push forward even in difficult situations and in time the answers will come. Most often than not those answers come after much time has passed and more likely then not we wont be taken up to a high place and tempted by satin to jump to prove to ourselves we are the one but none the less satin will temp us in a like manner. I must keep this in mind at all times and doubt not in the Lord and his ways. So what is the key here? Doubt or doubt not? -Marty

Why would he not be the literal son of God if Mary was not a virgin? I am not the first born in my family but that does not change who my father is. Please explain. -Marty

This may be kind of a weird way of thinking about intelligence but I think of intelligence this way: Do you remember the Borg’s in star trek and how they all had the same objective? They traveled the universe looking to assimilate technologies, life forms, planets etc? They were all one, together in their (objective). They were all different then each other though, they were all doing different things throughout the galaxies but all had the same (objective/intelligence). Well it’s a good way for me to kind of comprehend what intelligence is. The more were united with HF, the more were in tune with his desires (objectives/intelligence), the more we do his will and the more we grow in a portion of his (objectives/intelligence). It governs all because it holds the keys (knowledge and intelligence) to all and how everything works or (is). The more in tune we are with the collective (him) and the more we do (his) will (the collective’s objectives) the more the spirit (his knowledge/power/intelligence) on how everything works and is with us. We gain in intelligence (the force). ThEN! pure knowledge starts to flow!!!! Yeah for pure knowledge!!! Think when you’ve received a bit of pure knowledge flowing into you did you not feel power? Were you not invigorated? The HG, priesthood and the light of Christ are connected. They are all part of what HF has assimilated is. It’s is really the essence of (him). It's Hemi's moto "moving forward together" this is key. Think of the temple. He telling us the key to it all in the temple. -Marty

N Eldon Tanner Conference 1970 -Marty

This is from the OT and it hurts. -Marty

Hmmmmm maybe we are deceiving ourselves? Maybe we should be looking inward? Maybe I am hiding something from those in my ward? Am I my true self all the time? Am I worried about what others might think if I don't take the sacrament and so I do? Hmmmmmm __

Really though it has to be a problem for an apostle to talk about it in conference.

This is a great point. I've been pondering upon this for some time now. I know someone who works at the church office building who really is on the edge of apostasy because of his feelings about those who work there. I don't get this at all.

Would this not be asking for drama? "Your religions baptism doesn't stand because......" It might be better to ask: "What makes your baptism qualified?"

It all bowls down to Keys as traveler states. Those keys start Christ and then the prophet and so on. All in order and within strict protocols to ensure one is in authority to preform the ordinance and that it has been approved or it does not stand.

I cried and still do every time I see it. I need to download it and save it. It's a real shot in the arm when feeling overwhelmed or discouraged.

Born sinless but perfection is impossible without Christ. _

Here's the link to the audio. Just right click and "save as" to download. :) http://speeches.byu.edu/freefiles/provider2/type2/Holland97.mp3 -marty

Man I really got crap from my sons when they returned from their missions about the pop verses soda thing. LOL I now call it soda. GRRRRR No hell fire and damnation but a gallon of it a day will not be good. All things in moderation.