Suzie

I put the quotes on my previous messages.

So what exactly do you suggest he should have done? Put handcuffs on them?

The guy in question told the BS to wear the uniform. He THEN learned of the prohibition, told them and complied but a few others chose to wear it regardless.

He learned of the prohibition AFTER and he complied. Why he should pay for the CHOICE others made?

Guys, are you all aware of what exactly happened? Please correct me if I am wrong but based on what I understand, Mr. Brownstein yes, encouraged the Boy Scouts to wear the uniform BEFORE he got the instruction that they shouldn't wear it and he complied, he didn't wear one neither his son. It was the choice of the OTHER scouts to wear the uniform knowing they were told NOT to. How is Mr.Brownstein's fault then and why he should be removed? Boy Scouts can't wear uniforms at gay pride parade, official says - U.S. News

No, he isn't a member. I read quite a few things authored by his father, I found lots of his writings to be informative however I tend to disagree with some of his conclusions but good reading nonetheless. He presented quite a few papers for the Mormon History Association and he has done extensive research on Plural Marriage.

Bytor2112, he also worked for a guy called John Koyle who claimed to have a vision of a gold mine in the Wasatch Mountains, he was a firm believer of the relief mine. Also I would like to say that attempting to call this man ( who is now dead or his son) "sour" and find it amusing is kind of disrespectful IMO.

Kate knew the other girl was 14 so she knew what she was doing was illegal. She was obviously not thinking straight and made quite a few poor choices such as allegedly have sex in the school bathroom? She broke the law and needs to pay for it, however not sure if 15 years in prison and being registered as a sex offender for the rest of her life fits the crime she committed but yet again, she didn't accept the great deal they offered. I don't know who is counseling her but obviously they don't seem to know what they are doing.

It doesn't mean it is a religious organization. I am guessing you know quite a bit about the history of BSA, and you know that part about duty to God is up to interpretation and in some countries the word God is even omitted. I am NOT in disagreement in encouraging young boys to follow their religion views, I have a problem with forcing the entire organization to agree with your moral-religious compass and discriminating gays from membership and leadership. But I explained this a million times already, I don't think I have anything more to say.

Yes, trying to force a non-religious organization to accept and implement their moral/religious views.

Your post reminds me to a good Catholic friend of mine from work. Let me explain. She has been married for the past 15 years, separated from her husband for about 8 years after he cheated on her several times and sexually abused several of their children. When she realized what was happening, she moved out with her children to her parent's house. Their children have serious psychological scars due to the abuse. The guy is in jail and she shares your exact same sentiment that a marriage is a lifetime commitment and that NO SITUATION, NONE whatsoever will cause her to abandon her marriage. I must admit I struggle understanding this concept in situations such as this. For me, once you hurt my children in such horrible and despicable manner the deal is OVER.

Great news. Congratulations and all the best. :)

Again, the mention of African Americans or Latinos wasn't about race or skin color but was about groups who faced/face discrimination just like gays do and I absolutely disagree with the idea of a separated scout group for homosexuals. But reading more into your statement, are you indirectly implying that perhaps homosexuals should "hide" who they really are and also believe that they can "change" their sexual orientation? Honest question, trying to understand your reasoning. No. What is morally objectionable is a matter of opinion on this particular issue. This is not Church, this is the BSA.

Nope. I disagree with the attempted pressure of some religious folks (who describe themselves as such) trying to impose their moral standards to a non-religious organization but you already knew that.

Because all these groups are/have been discriminated at some point AND because I do believe having a separate scout program for gays is discriminatory, just like if we would have one for African Americans, Jews, Latinos or Special Needs people. The whole issue here is that people seems to erroneously think that the BSA is a religious organization and it is NOT. They do partner with religious bodies but that's not make them religious in nature. What I am seeing is that some people are just trying to force/pressure the BSA to fit/accept their moral standards to the WHOLE organization. I have problem with that.

I read all the posts. Just a couple of thoughts: 1. Gay men just happen to feel attracted to people of their same gender, doesn't prevent them from fulfilling what society perceives as other gender based roles. Most gays I know are content and happy with their own gender and they are not less "men" just because they attracted to Shawn instead of Shawna. Believing that gay men want to be "girls" or wish to be "women" is knowing very little about homosexuality. 2. BSA is NOT The LDS Church. 'Nuff said. 3. Boy Scout program for gays? Seriously? Fantastic idea, let's separate them. I propose one just for African-Americans and of course one just for Latinos too, and let's not forget about those Jews!

Forgiving ourselves is one of the hardest things to do because we live in a constant state of remembrance and anger about our past actions floating inside our heads and making us feel terrible. Overall, we seem to do an excellent job at beating up ourselves when we do wrong things but just like we have that little annoying voice that reminds us of all the bad things we did, we also need to counteract it with a softer one that tells us that we can do better and that we are capable of enduring this trial and forgive ourselves for what we have done. The result when we forgive ourselves? A feeling of relief, a burden taken away from our shoulders. Give it to the Lord and let Him carry it for you.

Nah nah nah..that's sacrilegious. Me hungry after a party? No way!!! You can do the talking, I'll do the eating.

Is that a good disaster or a bad disaster?

Call JAG but he charges by every letter he types...like most lawyers.

Several children in a situation like this? Losing your own home and in heavy debt paid by your inheritance? And he did it again so he could spend it on porn and strip clubs? This is way more than just financial infidelity. I'm sorry but if it was me, I would be calling my lawyer to file for divorce, not only for my own sake but for the protection, safety and well being of my children.

That's because you didn't invite me, I assure you if you did, I would have talked to you all evening :) to the point of having to tell me to shut up.

Please define exactly what do you mean by "spiritual choice".

I think a lot of us got it from Primary where we have been taught to show reverence by folding our arms and it has become a sort of tradition.