mordorbund

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    mordorbund got a reaction from Vort in So - Cloning?   
    YES! That is so weird.
     
    I'm fine with fraternals - I've had a roommate for most of my life and can see how having one in utero could be desirable. But I've NEVER wanted to change my appearance to match a roommate. That's just unnatural.
     
    And icky.
     
    [shivers]
     
    Please don't bring it up again.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from pam in So - Cloning?   
    YES! That is so weird.
     
    I'm fine with fraternals - I've had a roommate for most of my life and can see how having one in utero could be desirable. But I've NEVER wanted to change my appearance to match a roommate. That's just unnatural.
     
    And icky.
     
    [shivers]
     
    Please don't bring it up again.
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in Challenging church history question?   
    I am sure some do, but I think they're full of politically-correct baloney and should be summarily ignored. Not sure what you mean. Do you think it's not shameful to be a slut? Probably some, but a culture that encourages personal responsibility will always have some amount of victim-blaming.
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    mordorbund reacted to Just_A_Guy in Challenging church history question?   
    I'm going to be kind of blunt here. If any of y'all feel you may be triggered by bluntness on this topic, please feel free to skip. My intent is to offer what I see as a reality check, but I certainly don't want to cause undue pain.
    No. If you want to know what a "rape culture" looks like, I can link you to some Youtube videos of Yazidi women being auctioned off to the highest bidder that I promise will curdle your blood. That's rape culture. As Mormons we may have room for improvement in the way we talk about things, but I find it frankly offensive that someone would make such a cavalier accusation.And while I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that every priesthood leader deals perfectly with every sex abuse case, it doesn't hurt to point out that LDS bishops are barred by covenant and--in many cases--by law, from making the kinds of factual disclosures that would be necessary to refute specific accusations of misconduct.
    And, let's be honest--based on the article you cited, feminists generally have no problem with public shaming as a deterrent to behaviors you see as undesirable. The disagreement is merely regarding what kinds of behavior are worthy of shaming. And for my part--call me old-fashioned; but IMHO unchastity and lust, in both men and women, ARE shameful.
    Fair enough, but some things *have* to be said regardless of whether the hearer considers them "helpful" in the moment. And of course, there's a wider audience than just the immediate sufferer.Let us take a different analogy: let's say I went walking through Chicago's toughest neighborhood in a suit coat made of hundred-dollar-bills, and the predictable thing happens, and I get mugged. Yes, it's a highly violative experience that should never have happened. Yes, I have a fundamental right to wear my money coat wherever and whenever I want, and not be judged. Yes, society needs to change to the point where I will be safe and respected regardless of how desirable others may find me or my assets. But the reality is that there *are* things that people can do to reduce (not eliminate, but reduce) their chances of being mugged; and we don't stop talking about those things or shut down neighborhood watch programs just because it may trigger victims of past muggings to unduly blame themselves.
    There may be better ways to have these conversations about rape and self-defense and staying out of bad situations--but the conversations themselves do need to happen. Part of recovery from trauma is accepting (or at least acknowledging) the world in its imperfection, and not insisting on putting innocent people at risk just so that the victim doesn't have to confront his own insecurities.
    And when I see the most militant of these radical feminist activists demand we *not* train people to avoid situations where the likelihood of rape is increased, the cynic in me can't help but ask: which political and social groups benefit if the total number of rapes in this country maintains, or increases? Which groups lose their power and funding if sexual assault becomes less of a problem? Why would someone *not* want young LDS girls empowered with the knowledge that they can say "no" to a would-be sexual partner?
    Because, statistically, the forcible rape rate is down from 37.1/100,000 in 1995 to 26.4/100,000 today. Yet, we're being told that a problem whose incidence has actually been reduced by nearly 30% in twenty years, is somehow getting worse and that we need to tone down our discourse on chastity.
    Cui bono?
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Vort in A note on pronouncing the word "shew"   
    So it's this:
     

     
    Not this:
     

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    mordorbund got a reaction from SpiritDragon in Rudolph the red nosed reindeer add-on lyrics   
    As a mean-spirited person, I can tell you that you call a red-nosed reindeer 'pinocchio' because they both have strange noses. You may also try 'Cyrano' if you think the audience will know the reference. If you want to stick with the shiny, red nose, you may use 'Teddy Kennedy' instead.
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    mordorbund reacted to Iggy in Where were you ... when the ban was lifted   
    I was 26 years old, been out of the church for 8 years, living on the central Oregon coast. My sister, who has always been active in church. called me to tell me the news.
     
    In response I said: It is about time. 
     
    About 10 years later this white family moved into my town. Four brothers, wives, children and Pop & Mom. One of the DIL's came to work where I did. She was active in Church and her FIL allowed her to go to church as long as she didn't accept a calling. They had left the church after the ban was lifted. After meeting her In-Laws it was easy to understand. They were displaced KKK'ers. 
     
    They left town in the middle of the night, leaving behind unpaid bills, and jobs only partially done. Some in town figured them to be Gypsy's - scamming the locals with bogus contracting work. After being in her FIL's house and seeing all the KKK crap laying around, figured they weren't Gypsy's. 
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    mordorbund reacted to David13 in Where were you ... when the ban was lifted   
    I was not a member of the church at the time, so it didn't mean much to me when I heard  it and don't rmember how or where.  Probably just a newspaper article.
    In Institute (adult gospel study, also) the instructor said bro David probably remember where he was.  But then he learned why I didn't think much of it.
    He said he heard it on the radio (in Utah) and didn't believe it because he thought it would be announced only in Sacrament meeting or something, not on the radio.
    Then he described some reactions he saw and heard of, some good, some bad.
    dc
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in Where were you ... when the ban was lifted   
    Note that the revelation did not prove "all the theories wrong", only those that specified something directly contrary to the fact of the revelation (e.g that no man with African blood would receive the Priesthood until the Second Coming or something of the sort). I don't buy into the various theories of the time, but it is incorrect to say that they were all proven false by the 1978 revelation. They were not.
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    mordorbund reacted to Anddenex in Where were you ... when the ban was lifted   
    I would have been two years old when this revelation and proclamation was received; however, my mission president was a bishop for the black wards.  He shared wonderful experiences he had while serving as a bishop, and when called as a General Authority his first talk highlighted some of those experiences.
     
    In one of our Zone Conferences he shared how he was serving as a bishop for one of these wards when the announcement was made.  He received the letter, opened it, and instantly tears filled his eyes.  Upon reading the letter, he exited his office and located some of the black members in his ward.  He said it was about 4 other people, all black.  He read the letter.  He described the immense feeling in that room and how the Spirit testified of its truthfulness.  When he finished reading the letter one of the members shared how his PB mentioned he would receive the priesthood; although, he interpreted his PB as specifying in the next life, as he didn't think he would live to see the Millennium.  Once they shared their feelings, my mission president placed his hands upon one member, and then the next, and then the next.
     
    As each were ordained and set apart they then would assist in the next person receiving the priesthood.  He described his thought as his hands were laid on their heads, and then to see his black brothers with hands on top of his was wonderful!  He describes it as one of his most memorable experiences in the Church.
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in Where were you ... when the ban was lifted   
    I was at a regional activity where the youth in much of eastern Washington were preparing for a dance performance. I think it was at the Pasco High School football stadium. People started whispering excitedly about the supposed "revelation", and no one knew what to think. Later that day, we heard it on the radio, which of course meant it was true. I remember thinking that we must certainly be in the last days when all things shall be fulfilled.
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    mordorbund reacted to LeSellers in Where were you ... when the ban was lifted   
    The first Saturday in June, 1978, my wife and our four small children were in the car waiting for me to go grocery shopping at the commissary in Naples, Italy. It was a few minutes past the hour, and the Armed Forces Radio was just finishing the hourly news broadcast. (That's why I was still in the house: I don't like missing the news, and over there it was even more important.)
    The announcer said, "The Mormon Church has just lifted its hundred fifty-year-old ban on Blacks holding the Priesthood." That was all. We talked about it on the way to the commissary, and for hours after that.
    The next day, our branch president read the letter in Sacrament Meeting.
    It was a few days before I received spiritual confirmation of the change. This was a policy that had been in place for my entire life, and I had read McConkie and many others whose interpretation of the ban was that it would be lifted only during the Millennium.
    Some people I know would likely have felt so strongly that they might have felt the Church had apostatized and thus would have left themselves. That's sad, but I have heard the Brethren say that it is easy to tell how long a person has been a member of the Church by how long it takes to accept new doctrine and practices. For us old-timers, it can be a make-or-break event.
    Lehi
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    mordorbund got a reaction from mirkwood in Membership in the Great and Abominable Church   
    Oh?
     

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    mordorbund got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Membership in the Great and Abominable Church   
    Oh?
     

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    mordorbund got a reaction from The Folk Prophet in What If...? OD #3   
    In the spirit of TFP's response to 2&3, what about
     
    Official Declaration #5 - Repeal of OD2. A brief explanation is given tying OD2 to the law of Samuel (when the people reject the Lord's will, the Lord will let them pursue their own courses).
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in Do you love the temple?   
    In that sense, baptism and Priesthood ordination are part of "the endowment", as well.
     
    When we speak of the endowment, we are speaking of a specific ceremony in the temple and the covenants associated with it. If we widen the meaning of "the endowment" to include every covenant we make, then we have lost the specific meaning and any way to refer to that set of covenants, ordinances, and ceremony.
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    mordorbund reacted to Palerider in BYU Football   
    And you will notice I didn't make the list either ....what's up with that ??
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    mordorbund got a reaction from pam in BYU Expulsion Policy   
    Beefche, would you mind sharing what you had to do to get your Ecclesiastical Endorsement signed and where you attended services while on campus?
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Vort in BYU Expulsion Policy   
    Beefche, would you mind sharing what you had to do to get your Ecclesiastical Endorsement signed and where you attended services while on campus?
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    mordorbund reacted to zil in Words that drive you crazy...   
    Can you odd?
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    mordorbund got a reaction from mirkwood in Constitution Hanging by a Thread Fulfilled?   
    I could have told you that. There's no way you're getting Mirkwood's Glock. You could try prying it from his cold, dead hands but you'll quickly discover that's he's switched allegiance to the zombie horde. Also, you've been shot.
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in Words that drive you crazy...   
    Just remember: You can't have manslaughter without man's laughter.
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    mordorbund reacted to mirkwood in 3 wishes   
    I avoid wishes...cause I've played D&D and seen how wishes that are not carefully phrased can go wildly astray.  Wishes scare me.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Jamie123 in A note on pronouncing the word "shew"   
    So it's this:
     

     
    Not this:
     

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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in 16 things in a disaster   
    They're an important part of your food storage.