clwnuke

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    clwnuke reacted to The Folk Prophet in Disney wokeness   
    Dude, you gotta lay off the peyote.
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    clwnuke got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    I think your bio mom was wise. Never confuse bedside manner with skillset competence. It's why job interviews are notoriously bad at predicting employee performance IMHO.
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    clwnuke reacted to LDSGator in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    Some do, some don’t. My bio mom was a nurse, and while that hardly makes her an expert on COVID, she had amazing insight on doctors.
     
    Her most insightful and interesting comment was that the biggest jerks are usually the ones you want operating on your daughter or father-while the nicest, sweetest doctors are often times the most incompetent. No, it’s not universal. But it is interesting. 
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    clwnuke reacted to LDSGator in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    It’s also worth noting that your average doctor is not an expert in communicable disease either. Just because he or she is a wonderful GP doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about when it comes to Covid. 
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    clwnuke got a reaction from LDSGator in The Holy War   
    We were north off of 20 in a little town called Lithonia. I had a cousin in Snellville back then too. My home teaching companion was the first Temple President in the Atlanta Temple, Bro. Joyner. Loved it there. Wished we could have stayed but jobs were scarce at the time.
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    clwnuke got a reaction from JohnsonJones in The Holy War   
    Oh, the disappointment on people's faces when I told them I was in grad school at Tech ;)
    But that was the year they tied for the National Championship so I guess it worked out all right. Tells you how old I am 😎
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    clwnuke reacted to LDSGator in The Holy War   
    The old saying that college football is a religion down here is still true. 
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    clwnuke got a reaction from JohnsonJones in The Holy War   
    I remember when we moved to Georgia after college. The first thing everyone in the Ward wanted to know was Georgia or Georgia Tech?!? Football was at a whole new level there.
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Anddenex in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    The Ivermectin Deworming Hoax - Part III: Poison Control Exposed
    by Justus R. Hope, MD
    https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/the-ivermectin-deworming-hoax---part-iii-poison-control-exposed/article_a553b7f2-1a31-11ec-881a-a7df53e98d65.html
    Dr. George Fareed is that doctor. Having graduated with honors from Harvard in 1970, he quickly rose to a young assistant professor at that institution and later worked in genetic recombinant DNA research. He worked briefly at the NIH. He was named the CMA California Rural Physician of the Year in 2015 for his excellence in treating patients.
    Early in the Pandemic, he innovated a repurposed drug treatment that saved his community's patients with almost 100% effectiveness. He wrote an open letter to Dr. Anthony Fauci to inform him to no avail.
    By the fall of 2020, he and his associate, Dr. Brian Tyson, together had treated nearly 2,000 patients with this repurposed drug cocktail.  They lost only one individual - and that person had come to them late - who had not received the full early treatment protocol. This account is legendary and has been published in multiple articles, books, and reviews. It is known as “The Miracle of the Imperial Valley.”
    This month, Dr. Fareed testified before the Italian Senate in Rome, Italy, and discussed this experience. He and Tyson have now treated a total of some 7,000 COVID patients. 
    Dr. Fareed explained that patients can almost always be saved when they start the early treatment cocktail within the first five to seven days of symptoms. 
    "We have now treated over 7,000 patients, and there has not been a single death in patients treated within the first five to seven days of the onset of symptoms. NOT A SINGLE DEATH. This (series) includes patients with multiple co-morbidities as well as patients in their nineties!"
    Dr. Fareed was clear in his testimony at both the US and Italian Senates:
    "No one needs to die from COVID-19."
    Perhaps the one physician in the United States who has directly treated more COVID patients than any other individual is also the most credible. He has no financial conflicts of interest. He has no reason to bend the truth. 
    However, the same cannot be said for Dr. Anthony Fauci, who does not directly treat patients with COVID. Dr. Fauci is not a front-line doctor; he is a bureaucrat.
    The CDC, FDA, and NIH agencies are, in essence, for-profit divisions of the pharmaceutical industry. Due to the patent laws, the researchers receive royalties from vaccines and treatments like Remdesivir, and the institutions also receive massive incomes.
    Dr. Fareed's early cocktail employed a combination of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and nutraceuticals, including zinc, vitamin D, and C. He explained this in his remarks in Rome,
    "Eighteen months ago, in March 2020, I, along with my colleague Dr. Brian Tyson, began treating COVID-19 patients early in the course of the disease with a combination of medications, initially primarily hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin or doxycycline, and nutraceuticals including zinc, vitamin D and C.
    As Dr. McCullough explained, medications such as hydroxychloroquine act as ionophores to allow zinc into the cell to interfere with viral replication. 
    As time progressed, so did our treatment, and we added drugs such as Ivermectin, fluvoxamine, and monoclonal antibodies, as well as aspirin and budesonide (steroid) to treat the other aspects of the disease."
    To put Dr. Fareed's results in perspective, his county, Imperial, located in Southern California, has experienced 30,000 total COVID-19 cases and 750 deaths. Drs. Fareed and Tyson treated over 20% of them, some 7,000 patients, and simple mathematics would have predicted their group would have had their share, or 150, of these deaths. Arguably they had one casualty. Thus, they saved at least 149 patients or 99% with their protocol. Had the United States adopted it when Dr. Fareed advised the United States Senate on November 19, 2020, we could have saved 500,000 of the 650,000 deaths that occurred after his announcement.
    However, many consumers, especially those who do not study medicine, will trust what the government agencies preach through the media. As a result, many will fall prey to the disinformation campaign perpetrated by Big Pharma.
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    clwnuke got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Disturbances and Disllusionment regarding Church Bureaucracy and administration   
    The Church has insurance for their activities and it is not a big issue to ask the Bishop to assist in making a claim IMHO. Don't really know the circumstances so it's hard to say, but as a long-time Scoutmaster I can say I never saw an adult try to downplay an injury. Usually we were the last to know.
    @JohnsonJones You are not alone when you say "I feel like I am the glue holding my family in the Church to a degree these days, and I am afraid of what may happen when I am gone.  I want something to happen to help them because I don't know if all of them will remain in the Church once I am no longer here to try to keep them in it." There are many noble men and women holding fast to the rod and helping their loved ones hang on to the faith. Thank you for being one of them.
    The war in heaven was a war of ideas about agency. Lucifer fought long and hard to convince a third of our family that the bullying, unfairness, cruelty, vice, hate, discrimination, racism, and endless multitudes of other kinds of evils that would accompany a world with free agency was not worth it.
    Those of us here on earth fought together to allow agency because we trusted that Jesus would become our Christ and Savior and would make everything right in the end. I imagine that when Heavenly Father and Jesus taught us about the evils that the natural man would be capable of, we likely couldn't believe what we were hearing. Unspeakable cruelties, and nobody would be exempt from experiencing them - not even the Savior himself. He would be crucified and killed, by some of us in the congregation of the Heavenly Hosts. In fact, all these cruelties would be committed by those of us in the audience. But somehow, we knew the blessings of Eternal Life would be worth the suffering. We could never become Celestial without this earth life.
    Satan knows this, and though he lost the war in Heaven, he is actively promoting the same falsehoods here on earth - that the Church, the doctrines, the leaders, the members, and all of Jesus and Heavenly Father's plan was and still is unfair and incredibly cruel. Sadly many of the valiant are falling for the second wave of Satan's propaganda machine.
    I pray constantly that people can remember that they are loved sons and daughters of God, who knew the risks of coming to earth and chose to come anyway. I pray that when the waves of frustration and anger hit us in this life, that we will be able to find a thread of faith to hang onto until the last day.
    @JohnsonJones you are one of those living and saving threads of faith for your family. Hang in there!
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    clwnuke reacted to JohnsonJones in Disturbances and Disllusionment regarding Church Bureaucracy and administration   
    Using the above as a launch off point to a broader context, I think there are many who are having little problems these days affect their testimonies.  Instead of looking at the broad picture of the gospel truths and the salvation we are seeking, they let little small stumbling stones trip them up.  The question that stems from this that I started pondering, especially in light of my more recent travels, is how much the Church is or should be doing in fixing such things.
    In the above example, I think part of the problem is that the Youth Program right now is really lax.  That is good in some instances, but there may need to be stricter guidelines on safety and leadership than there are presently.  Adult leaders NEED to take responsibility more serious, and though I am sure some are, in some locals I am also sure they do the least they can.  We are all busy and leadership is a hard thing, but letting youth under your care get injured and not care is an entirely different level of carelessness.
    Going beyond that though, I noticed most recently that we had trouble with Church in other parts of the World.  When they were meeting in many instances it was via electronic or other means.  What was MORE bothersome though was that some of the branches I used to attend have now been closed and the nearest meeting groups are many hours away in many instances.  I was not completely out of contact with some of the members and I've gotten an idea of some of these small stumbling blocks which I'm not sure if they even SHOULD be stumbling blocks.  They are very similar to what has always been, but the way the church has changed things up in some instances seem to me to be aggravating some of these instances where perhaps a change of things may help.
    I am wondering if some of these things are making it harder for those in other parts of the world to attend, and thus join the church in some instances.  We were BOOMING in the late 20th century with the creation of wards and new members, but today that seems to be flagging (and has seemed to be decreasing to smaller and smaller percentages since the turn of the  millennium).
    So, in that light of my disturbing thoughts tonight, I'm addressing what I think would be the top 5 items.
    A.  We have always had those who had to work odd times and spaces.  Sometimes the Church caters to the differences in culture and work periods.  In other nations for example, the Sabbath is sometimes observed on a different day than Sunday in accordance with the customs and traditions of those areas. 
    In the past (it's been a while though...longer than I remember it being, it's been decades, many of you may not have been alive when this occurred) we used to have meetings at different times of the day and the week.  Sacrament was not just done during the main meeting (most of the ones I attended at the time had the main Sacrament meeting as you would call it in the evening), but also at Sunday School (in the morning) and sometimes during the middle of the week.  For those who were Blue Collar workers and worked odd times, or those in general, this gave several opportunities to receive this sacred ordinance. 
    When we combined all the meetings it did well at first.  I'm not so sure it works for today's worlds.  The increase of young people working odd hours make it much harder for them to attend a set time period in many cases.  Trying to make a sacrament meeting at 9 AM works well for a white collar middle and upper class membership, but can be unnecessarily hard for those who are outside that class and work varied hours. 
    This may seem a small stumbling block, but when it seems impossible for one to go to church, it can become the first step in inactivity.  This was not a problem I saw when I first joined the church, but it seems (especially in some parts of Europe today) like it could be a stumbling block for many today, especially those investigating the church who do not have work schedules that allow them to attend the church, even if they had a desire at some point to do so.
     
    B.  Most of what I have to post from here on our pertain to a PR problem I see the Church is having, nothing more.  Problems with Church History that people claim to have is really just PR coming from other groups outside the Church.  This is one area I think the Church COULD do ALOT better at...whether at a local or higher level.  They are getting devastated on the PR front by many others.  I'd hire the BEST PR organization out there to build up a better name if I could (but I'm not the person to make those choices).  Someone in the Church Bureaucracy really needs to make a serious investment into PR..as I see that's where the failing on most fronts are.  It's not about the history of the Church, or this or that...it's strictly HOW the CHURCH presents itself vs. the power that those who are detractors are attacking it.  This boils down to PR and PR work.  The Church needs a better organization to run it's PR department.
    I have a book that was written during the mid 20th century that I turned to read tonight after reading some of the Book of Mormon to calm down.  Normally I prefer the words of the Prophets and books by them, but tonight I felt to read it and stumbled across a passage I feel is extremely relevant.  It is The Restored Church by William Edwin Berrett, copyright Deseret Book Company 1961, Fourteenth Edition 1969, pg 61.
    pg 65.
    Detractors have ALWAYS been there.  The arguments I hear today against the Church are the same arguments I have heard over my lifetime.  Until my Father passed away I was almost always given anti-mormon tracts when visiting family. 
    People argue the difference today is the availability of the internet, but in the past, especially as my children grew up, it seemed finding literature against the Church was easier than it is today.  Many churches would give such junk to any they could convince to get it, and the books and articles abounded. 
    The ONLY difference I see is HOW the Church approached it, and it boils down to PR and PR work.  I think a GREAT deal of the things that people are having problems with are more with the APPEARANCES that they are given, and when nothing is given to counter it in the same fierceness and bluntness as the enemies of the Church give, they fall to the PR from the other side.
    It's not just on historical matters but other items as well.  It used to be, even beyond the Utah, Arizona, and Idaho frontier that we would see Commercials for the church in the media quite regularly.  We would see advertisements and many other things.  If nothing else, it was just to broadcast a good advice and idea on the part of the Church to give the Church a good name.  Like any advertising does, it was to spread the appearance of the Church in a good fashion.
    I'm sure there are things that could be done to be effective PR today, but I don't see that PR being utilized as well today and I think many are stumbling because of it.  It is a SMALL AND MINOR thing in most instances, but it hurts some investigating the church and I see an increasing number of members stumbling on account of these small items which have always been there, but today seem to be far more effective in making people stumble then they have in the past.
    I can only think it's PR work, someone stellar in PR needs to be hired or something.  Normally these are foolish things that I see (qualms about the historical aspects of the Book of Mormon for instance is one that people have today, when in truth it was never intended to be a profane history of the Americas, nor does it claim to be, it is a book based upon faith and truth, rather than historical facts and figures.  The Book of Mormon's power is in the Spirit and the Spirit revealing truth to you, not in the non-spiritual, but the spiritual) and do not truly relate to the gospel itself (IN MY OPINION).  That things are seemingly hitting the Church harder today than in the past seems to indicate that perhaps we need to have PR work a different angle similar to what we did in the past than what we are doing today...but that's just a thought that occurs to me this evening while I am troubled than anything more.
     
    C.  As the Church has spread to other parts of the World, I see the gospel presentation stay the same in some instances.  This has little relevance to those who are not Christians at times.  In Europe you have more and more who are not Christian, but instead are atheist, and agnostic at best.  Trying to build upon a common belief in Christianity will, in many instances, fail with those who feel like this.  They NEED something in common.  There needs to be a common background.  I see a growing trend in the US with the same ideas...appealing to their love of the Lord and the Bible will not work with these individuals in most cases.  Other areas of common ground need to be built. 
    Furthermore, I think the FAR RIGHT wing of the Church is hurting the Church in converting people.  I love my Conservative brothers and sisters, but most of the older Conservative folks have their minds made up.  Some may join, but for the most part, they are not going to leave their believes.  They are conservative for a reason.
    On the otherhand, the more freethinking younger folks may investigate the church, but not if they are turned off by the Far Right who they think govern the church (prime example, there is a very strong anti-vaccination feeling coming out of many Church members today.  The broadcast that they are against vaccines and rail against vaccines.  This is OBVIOUSLY AGAINST THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE CHURCH, but these people are very loud.  It is not a problem that is really WITH the church at all, but with members.  In fact, a LARGE number of the things I bring up in this post has to deal with how a small number of members are influencing things very badly within the church for those investigating the church). 
    This goes again to the PR angle above (I don't have much of a solution, my only thought is to hire the best PR group out there to solve this), but it's not really a problem with the Church, but with some people within the church.  We need to show the Church is more politically  neutral. 
    If a young person were to come to this site, for example, they would probably guess that the Church is a bastion of the FAR RIGHT rather than being more neutral in regards to the World political stances, or even the US's political stances.  This does NOT build common ground with the freethinking younger folks that are more likely to investigate the church.  If anything, it probably turns them off.
    If they never start investigating, they never get to the point to pray, which means they never build a testimony. 
    I think we need to find more common ground with the world around us.  Not that we adopt their fashions or trends, but where we can actually understand each other and they become more interested in us and the Church once again.
    D.  This is the primary thing that I started thinking on when I started this entire line of thought this evening.  After discussing with my daughter it seems the rules and guidance on how to lead youth programs is just not there, it doesn't exist in a very strong or stringent fashion.  I think there needs to be an investment in the members of the Church.   There needs to be an investment in the PEOPLE.  Rather than seeing them as a business and them as customers, rather than just seeing numbers, SEE THEM as people.  They are not just there to make numbers on a spreadsheet, they are there to bring salvation and exaltation too. 
    The WAY you invest in the members is seen by those outside the church as well.  If you do NOT invest in the programs and the people of the Church, why should people invest themselves in the Church?  It can become a two way street and it is a two way street that non-members see as well. 
    This of course will differ TREMENDOUSLY from local area to local area.  This is more a local problem in many places than a "Church problem" other than perhaps a more universal guidance and measures need to be put in place.  One Ward and Stake may have GREAT activities monthly with tremendous leadership and great care put into the youth.  Another may have it where the Bishopric is FAR overworked to think about the young men in any great detail, the young Woman leaders have not time or budget, and the primary is barely hanging on. 
    I remember when my kids were growing up we had great programs.  Roadshows, Youth camps, inspirational talks and firesides, all manner of involving and deep devotionals and activities each week.  Now...I see the deacons playing nerf guns or hide and seek each week, the young women having planning meeting after planning meeting and movie nights, and primary having very few primary activities in my local area (as I said, it may vary GREATLY from area to area).  What has happened?  There are some areas that I think are not investing that heavily in their members, and I think over time this is going to show.
     
    E.  The Church needs to be special.  People are drawn to that which is different.  If the Church ends up like any other generic Christian Church out there...what sets us apart?  Why should they be a member of our  Church?  It needs to be special in a GOOD way though (not in a way which our adults are more careless about children and youth than other churches, but one where perhaps FAMILY is more important and a focus).  We need to have that catch.  There ARE still Christians in Europe and the US, and if we are just like any other Christian Church, if they are dissatisfied with what they have already...what will make them seek us out?  We NEED to be unique.  We need to be in the world...but not OF the world. It may seem contradictory to what I said above (increasing number of Atheists or those who are NOT christian) but both can be true.  Even then, for those who are NOT christians, what sets us apart from the REST of Christianity.  What is it about us that makes them interested in US?
    Again, it's down to PR.  In fact, most of this probably boils down to PR. 
    Because I can't fight my kids each week over why they need to avoid the small stumbling stones and stay true to the gospel.  Because I don't feel good when I argue with them.  Because eventually I'll be gone, and I fear for my kids and grandkids.  I already have had a LOT of things occur over the past few years, things I never imagined would happen with a few of my family and difficulties they are having with the gospel and the church...and I don't know what will happen when I am gone. 
    I feel like I am the glue holding my family in the Church to a degree these days, and I am afraid of what may happen when I am gone.  I want something to happen to help them because I don't know if all of them will remain in the Church once I am no longer here to try to keep them in it.
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    clwnuke reacted to Just_A_Guy in Free will   
    I don't think Mormonism has ever really preoccupied itself with the supposed "sovereignty" of God in quite the way many other Christian denominations seem to have.  We're quite comfortable, in principle, with the notion that there are some things that God just can't do.  For example, we believe the Atonement of Christ was necessary because God was obligated to bridge the gap between/satisfy the demands of both justice and mercy--He couldn't save us unless He was willing to sacrifice His own Son.  And while it's not "officially" doctrinal, we also speculate heavily on the notion that God was once a mortal as we are now--a supposition which which suggests that He had other mortal peers, some of whom may have attained godhood as He has, but over whom He presumably has no dominion. 
    I don't think we really subscribe to the idea that our God must be the only/mightiest God in all the eternities and the infinite universes that ever have or ever will existed.  Nor does our faith require that our God be absolutely all-powerful within the realm that is His own.  Really, we envision a council of gods who are each supremely mighty within their own spheres (and only One of which with whom, as Brigham Young put it, "we have anything to do"); and it is enough for us that God is spectacularly more powerful than we are and that He invites us to become as He is.  As for humankind's "free will" or "agency" (and frankly, I think within Mormon discourse we often conflate those two concepts, but that's another discussion):  God, like any parent, has kids who develop independent consciences and wills; and who can only be controlled in accordance with certain principles (and even then, only to a limited degree).  In fact, in Mormonism, the kernel of each individual's identity--the "intelligence"--is co-eternal with God Himself.  God can organize and refine intelligence, but He cannot create it.  The will of the intelligence (or, in its later states, the spirit or the human) is subject to God's power, but is not really subject to God's will unless the intelligence/spirit/human chooses to become so.  
    Within Mormonism, I think the more intriguing question isn't whether our "free will" is bound by God's omnipotence, but whether it is bound by His omniscience.  If He can see all things past, present, and future as "one eternal now", as Joseph Smith taught--then in a sense, is my future already written?  Am I just pantomiming a role in a play whose ending is already known?  In my experience, that's the question that tends to keep philosophically-minded Mormons up at night.
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Free will   
    Romans 8:5-7 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
    As taught in the book of Mosiah in the Book of Mormon, the natural man is an enemy to God. You are right when you say we can't control the flesh. No matter how hard we think, we can't make a hair grow on our head or stop hormones from surging through our bodies. No man or woman should ever feel guilt for their appetites - they are by design. But they can still choose.
    The fact that your true self, your spiritual self, can stop and yield to the enticings of the Holy Spirit means you have every bit of agency that was promised in the pre-earth council. However, pre-mortal existence is not a widely held doctrine outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints so our members may benefit from that faith where others do not.
    Keep 🙏 and doing good!
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Jamie123 in Free will   
    Romans 8:5-7 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
    As taught in the book of Mosiah in the Book of Mormon, the natural man is an enemy to God. You are right when you say we can't control the flesh. No matter how hard we think, we can't make a hair grow on our head or stop hormones from surging through our bodies. No man or woman should ever feel guilt for their appetites - they are by design. But they can still choose.
    The fact that your true self, your spiritual self, can stop and yield to the enticings of the Holy Spirit means you have every bit of agency that was promised in the pre-earth council. However, pre-mortal existence is not a widely held doctrine outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints so our members may benefit from that faith where others do not.
    Keep 🙏 and doing good!
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    clwnuke got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Free will   
    Romans 8:5-7 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
    As taught in the book of Mosiah in the Book of Mormon, the natural man is an enemy to God. You are right when you say we can't control the flesh. No matter how hard we think, we can't make a hair grow on our head or stop hormones from surging through our bodies. No man or woman should ever feel guilt for their appetites - they are by design. But they can still choose.
    The fact that your true self, your spiritual self, can stop and yield to the enticings of the Holy Spirit means you have every bit of agency that was promised in the pre-earth council. However, pre-mortal existence is not a widely held doctrine outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints so our members may benefit from that faith where others do not.
    Keep 🙏 and doing good!
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Anddenex in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    @Godless looks like the vaccination rate mentioned is based on getting both doses according to Harvard's Covid site. 90 million people have the first shot, but only 16 million have the second. Even with 90 million we are only talking a 37.5% vaccination rate. I think you are brushing off the data without analysis.
    Here are some August 5th, 2021 stats from Johns Hopkins for different India states with and without the use of Ivermectin. They show a clear difference. You are right - we are all not informed about Ivermectin because the FDA/CDC and media are doing everything in their power to suppress information that contradicts their narrative. You are not being given a fair picture. The question is why?
    Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin:  Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 26
    COVID Daily Deaths: 3
    The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 127,108
    COVID Daily Deaths: 574
    Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:
    Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 61
    COVID Daily Deaths: 2
    Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 24
    COVID Daily Deaths: 0
    Now look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin (like Utah). Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.
    Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states. Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.
    Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 1,997
    COVID Daily Deaths: 33
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Grunt in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    @Godless looks like the vaccination rate mentioned is based on getting both doses according to Harvard's Covid site. 90 million people have the first shot, but only 16 million have the second. Even with 90 million we are only talking a 37.5% vaccination rate. I think you are brushing off the data without analysis.
    Here are some August 5th, 2021 stats from Johns Hopkins for different India states with and without the use of Ivermectin. They show a clear difference. You are right - we are all not informed about Ivermectin because the FDA/CDC and media are doing everything in their power to suppress information that contradicts their narrative. You are not being given a fair picture. The question is why?
    Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin:  Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 26
    COVID Daily Deaths: 3
    The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 127,108
    COVID Daily Deaths: 574
    Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:
    Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 61
    COVID Daily Deaths: 2
    Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 24
    COVID Daily Deaths: 0
    Now look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin (like Utah). Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.
    Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states. Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.
    Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 1,997
    COVID Daily Deaths: 33
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Anddenex in Free will   
    Romans 8:5-7 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
    As taught in the book of Mosiah in the Book of Mormon, the natural man is an enemy to God. You are right when you say we can't control the flesh. No matter how hard we think, we can't make a hair grow on our head or stop hormones from surging through our bodies. No man or woman should ever feel guilt for their appetites - they are by design. But they can still choose.
    The fact that your true self, your spiritual self, can stop and yield to the enticings of the Holy Spirit means you have every bit of agency that was promised in the pre-earth council. However, pre-mortal existence is not a widely held doctrine outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints so our members may benefit from that faith where others do not.
    Keep 🙏 and doing good!
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    clwnuke got a reaction from mirkwood in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    @Godless looks like the vaccination rate mentioned is based on getting both doses according to Harvard's Covid site. 90 million people have the first shot, but only 16 million have the second. Even with 90 million we are only talking a 37.5% vaccination rate. I think you are brushing off the data without analysis.
    Here are some August 5th, 2021 stats from Johns Hopkins for different India states with and without the use of Ivermectin. They show a clear difference. You are right - we are all not informed about Ivermectin because the FDA/CDC and media are doing everything in their power to suppress information that contradicts their narrative. You are not being given a fair picture. The question is why?
    Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin:  Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 26
    COVID Daily Deaths: 3
    The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 127,108
    COVID Daily Deaths: 574
    Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:
    Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 61
    COVID Daily Deaths: 2
    Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 24
    COVID Daily Deaths: 0
    Now look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin (like Utah). Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.
    Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states. Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.
    Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]
    COVID Daily Cases: 1,997
    COVID Daily Deaths: 33
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    clwnuke got a reaction from askandanswer in Free will   
    Romans 8:5-7 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
    As taught in the book of Mosiah in the Book of Mormon, the natural man is an enemy to God. You are right when you say we can't control the flesh. No matter how hard we think, we can't make a hair grow on our head or stop hormones from surging through our bodies. No man or woman should ever feel guilt for their appetites - they are by design. But they can still choose.
    The fact that your true self, your spiritual self, can stop and yield to the enticings of the Holy Spirit means you have every bit of agency that was promised in the pre-earth council. However, pre-mortal existence is not a widely held doctrine outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints so our members may benefit from that faith where others do not.
    Keep 🙏 and doing good!
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    clwnuke reacted to askandanswer in Free will   
    I think this arguement only becomes possible because of a slippery and unjustifiably broad definition of the term wants. Many people perform their duty, whether they want to or not, and the performance of their duty has nothing to do with what they want. I think that faith, beliefs, values, and knowledge, seperated from our wants, are equally powerful drivers of actions. Wants are temporal, fleshy, earhly drivers of our actions, and we should all be striving for our actions to be driven by higher things than just what we want. One of Satan's main tools it to tempt us through our wants, and one of God's main tools is to influence us through our conscience. I have difficulty seeing how it could be said that both God and Satan attempt to influence us by appealing to our wants.  
    I also disagree that we have do not freedom to control our wants. I think it is perfectly possible to arrive at a wholly logical decision, completely uninformed by any personal desires, and to then act in a manner consistent with that decision.  
    We always have the freedom to decide if and how and to what extent we will be influenced by our wants and whether or not we will ever notice or respond to them. I think it would be unwise to try and limit or downplay human capacity or freedom.
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    clwnuke reacted to mikbone in Free will   
    Ser also Alma Chapter 42
    See also Korihor, Alma 30: 6-60
    These are the best LDS responses that I can link to the above perception of “free will.”
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Anddenex in Biden's Mandate may be a tad too far   
    People shouldn't have to check their parents out of a hospital to get low-cost effective medicine

    Dr. and Mrs. Morros got Covid-19. Dr. Morros (a radiologist) went to their local hospital for outpatient treatment with Regenron. He was admitted from the outpatient clinic after receiving Regeneron and after worsening symptoms. The hospital refused to allow Dr. Morros to receive Ivermectin. Their daughter, Kristina Morros, flew from The Netherlands to the US to help her parents. Kristina is a nurse anesthetist and she helped nurse both her sick parents back to health with the I-MASK+ protocol (includes Ivermectin) at home in collaboration with a family member who is also a doctor. This is their story.
    https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/Morros_Family_Testimonial_for_Ivermectin:5
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    clwnuke got a reaction from LDSGator in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    @Traveler Yep!  I can hear some of them now when the heavens are opened saying - "Oh my, you let clwnuke into the Celestial Kingdom?? You blew that judgement. He hated cats, listened to disco music, snored at church, and had a secret picture of Jaclyn Smith in his wallet. No way I'm going in there!".
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    clwnuke got a reaction from Jedi_Nephite in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    In principle we abandoned the Constitution long ago IMHO. If it is still hanging, it is by nanoscale spider silk that has been stretched to infinity.