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    SpiritDragon reacted to Carborendum in Likely daguerreotype (photo) of Joseph Smith discovered.   
    I'm curious about this.  Help me understand.
    I realize many people would find this really exciting.  You're apparently one, as are many on this forum.
    For myself, I don't get it.  It's a photograph.   Whether real or not, what does it actually do for us?  I don't understand it.
    I understand historical records.  So, yes, put it in a museum or archive for preservation. I understand "memories".  Photographs can often spark memories of events and feelings during those events.  And if it is a memory that has faded, the photo can spark those memories and feelings anew.  Sound great.
    But this is a person we have no living memory of.  We know "about" him from books, writings, stories, etc. All those things we have access to without the aid of a photo that was taken in a studio that we have no memory of.  So, what is the deal?
    Maybe it is one of those things that comes from a person of my background.  But I just don't get it.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Vort in Ruth and The Feet   
    While we're on the topic of euphemisms, the phrase "to cover one's feet" does not mean "to take a nap". It means "to defecate". So when Saul went into a cave to "cover his feet" and David cut off a piece of his robe, Saul was not taking a nap, as so many commentaries seem to want to say. He was pooping, and thus very vulnerable; had David wished to do so, he could easily have killed Saul. Similarly, when King Eglon was disemboweled by Ehud, Ehud told the servants that the king was "covering his feet". That's why the servants waited so long (because they were embarrassed to interrupt the king—"ashamed" is the word the KJV uses) before finally going in and finding him dead.
    Also, for the record, the phrase "pisseth against the wall" (as used by David to talk about the revenge he would take on all the males of Nabal's household) was not necessarily vulgar. The Anglo-Saxon-derived verb "to piss" simply meant (and means) the same as the Latin-derived "to urinate". Which is why we have the baby-talk word "pee"; it's the first letter of "piss".
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Still_Small_Voice in Sacrament Meeting Fail   
    Open mouth and insert foot.  Ouch.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Fether in Is there a word for this?   
    I love this 👍 this is probably the closest thing, if not exactly, what I was describing
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Fether in Is there a word for this?   
    Hi Fether, I don't believe the term is used largely by others, but I've come across the concept in studies of environment and behavior that may match what you're looking for. I call it the proximity impulse. Basically, when something we desire is close and easy to access we are more likely to engage in the desire. A classic example is a study called the Office Candy Dish, where visible, open, candy dishes in close proximity to workers leads to more candy consumption than closed off opaque candy dishes or those that are further away.

    Thus, just as the candy was not needed before seeing it and being able to grab it, The black hole video wasn't needed until it showed up and became available. I do believe some of these are compounded by an aspect of the fear of missing out as well though, because unless you write down the video name and allot a time to come back later part of you realizes that by not watching it now you may never do so. I think the same can be said of obsessing over responding to a question, except in this case it's an added level of instant gratification as well. By going to sleep and responding in the morning there is delayed gratification in being the one with the answer and the supposed prestige it may bring. There may also be an element of challenge in responding to a text that may be perceived at some level as creating an unsafe environment that needs to be resolved before sleep.

    Anyways, hopefully there's something helpful in there for you.
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Vort in Sacrament Meeting Fail   
    This is one of those stories that I'm not 100% sure is real, but I picked it up on my mission. Sharing horror stories of things that happened (particularly in testimony meetings) when we had investigators visiting, and most of us were sharing stories of weird and/or "deep" doctrine being shared that caused us some explaining to do with our investigators, one of my fellow missionaries shared the following story:
    While sitting there listening to a sister's remarks, this is essentially the dialogue that follows -
    Sister (at pulpit sobbing): ... this always happens to me, I start to get emotional and can't speak clearly. I'm such a big boob!
    Bishop (trying to console her, a little too close to the mic): That's alright, sister, the Bishop likes big boobs.
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Jane_Doe in Sacrament Meeting Fail   
    This is one of those stories that I'm not 100% sure is real, but I picked it up on my mission. Sharing horror stories of things that happened (particularly in testimony meetings) when we had investigators visiting, and most of us were sharing stories of weird and/or "deep" doctrine being shared that caused us some explaining to do with our investigators, one of my fellow missionaries shared the following story:
    While sitting there listening to a sister's remarks, this is essentially the dialogue that follows -
    Sister (at pulpit sobbing): ... this always happens to me, I start to get emotional and can't speak clearly. I'm such a big boob!
    Bishop (trying to console her, a little too close to the mic): That's alright, sister, the Bishop likes big boobs.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Traveler in Conspiracies   
    By definition, a conspiracy is a plan, agreement or idea carried out, perpetrated or agreed upon by 2 or more individuals.  A conspiracy does not have to be false, ridiculous, unfounded or nefarious.  A conspiracy can be beneficial, true and even of great benefit.  We have all encountered ridiculous conspiracy theories that are obviously or even not so obviously way far out into the weeds so much so that to believe such nonsense would be a threat to our own intelligence.  But the strange thing about even the most ridiculous conspiracy theories is that none would most likely not even exist without an underlying conspiracy putting it out.
    The point I am making is that we cannot live and communicate as a society without conspiracies and every time we encounter a conspiracy – we encounter a real, actual conspiracy – weather the actual conspiracy being presented is the conspiracy or the conspiracy to present it as a possibility.  Thus, there are only two possibilities behind every conspiracy.  The first is to uncover a truth for all to see or the second is to hide, distort or confuse truth.
    With all this as a format – I will present a conspiracy theory.  My theory is that the core of every conspiracy is related to a war begun a very long time ago in the pre-existence and thus either has the backing of the G-dhead and those that follow them or Satan and those that follow him.  One would therefore think it quite easy to distinguish between the two.  But there is a problem.  That problem is that Satan and those that follow him have no aversion to making some of their conspiracies look like officially divine conspiracies.
    So how do we identify which conspiracies are which?  For the answer I will present scripture from modern revelations intended and specific for these the Latter-days.  The scripture I present is from the Doctrine and Covenants section 9:
    I have personally found that 99.9% of the time I can resolve within myself by my own studies what the source of a conspiracy is.  However, please note that there is only one way to be 100% accurate and on the “right” track.  This is, that after I have studied and considered what I can (including discussing with others) – that if there is any possibility of misunderstanding or missing of something – that I can only move forward through prayer and asking G-d directly for input.
    What I have found is that even after all my studies and payer – quite often I do not have clear resolution one way or another, except to continue my efforts.  In fact, often when I believe I have uncovered truth I still have a feeling that what I uncovered is only part and that I ought to seek for more before my understanding is complete.
    So, I open this discussion with the idea and intent to present conspiracies that I believe should be investigated more.  Perhaps I should start a new thread for each conspiracy????
     
    The Traveler
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Vort in No longer giving a darn   
    I care a great deal what my wife thinks of me. I also care what my children think of me. To a slightly lesser extent, I care what my siblings and close cousins think of me. I care what my bishop thinks of me, and my fellow quorum and ward members. I do care what close friends think of me. In a different sense, I care what my boss thinks of me, and what my landlord/landlady think of me (us). I don't really much care what Seattle leftists think of me, though I prefer to fly under their hateful, intolerant radar. In general, I don't care very much what society at large thinks of me, so long as I don't get beat up in the halls or prevented from worshipping God and rearing my family as I see fit.
    But mostly, I care what God thinks of me. Except he never tells me.
    I believe the "I no longer give a darn what others think" refers primarily to the last sentence in my first paragraph. Most of humanity lives under a sort of common set of social expectations. Today, those social expectations include supporting a woman's "right" to terminate her fetus' life and the obvious beauty and necessity of "protecting" (read: promoting) the homosexual lifestyle. Since I support neither of these things (and violate many other terms of the unwritten social expectations list), I am on the outside. I'm not in the Cool Kids' Club. And I'm okay with that. I Don't Care. I don't give a darn what they think of me, so long as they leave me my essential liberties.
    I also think the "I no longer give a darn what others think" refers in a deep, foundational way to the first sentence of my second paragraph. I want to please my Father and my Savior. If I could know their will perfectly, I would strive to live it, consequences be damned. I will choose them before friends and family, even before my children and my wife (though reluctantly—I guess I would secretly still give a darn what they thought).
    In any case, I don't think "I no longer give a darn what others think" is flipping the bird to the rest of the world at large. I think it is a statement of priority.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to mirkwood in Justice Breyer to retire   
    Ehhhhhhh.....the Book Of Mormon tells us differently.  If you believe the BOM, but don't believe in conspiracies you don't really believe the BOM.
     
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Just_A_Guy in CES Employees required to be Temple Worthy   
    I thought they already did that, frankly.  One of the reasons I didn’t pursue academia was that I only would have wanted to work at BYU; and given my own struggles with porn, I didn’t want my secular livelihood to depend on my current worthiness to hold a temple recommend.
    (Although, if it has hitherto been possible to be an LDS BYU professor without holding a current temple recommend, then that would explain a lot.  A whole lot.)
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Anddenex in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    Yes, you have heard of anti-discrimination clauses right? Is a employer able to not employ a gay person just because they are gay? No.
    Does an employer have the freedom not to employ women because they are women? Or will there be a lawsuit where the employer will pay out for the discrimination?
    The same way an employer is not able to make a decision and demand knowledge if you have an STD and if you do he/she is not able to say sorry you can't be employed here.
    The same way, if you rent your house you can't say to someone who drinks or smokes that you can't rent my house because you drink or smoke -- although it is your "private" home.
    The same way a loan officer is not able to say to a Latino, or someone of a different culture, I can't serve you because you are [insert culture], but if I do I will charge you 2% more for the cost of the loan.
    If a business, private, had the freedom you say to serve none of these laws would exist.
    If you agree that an employer has the freedom to not employ a gay person because they are gay, or any of the above scenarios are OK and should not be regulated by law, then I will acquiesce my thoughts -- pertaining to your thoughts -- because you are consistent.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to NeuroTypical in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    I probably know 100 folks who are anti COVID vax, the vast majority are right wing.  I have yet to hear a single one of them say a private business should not be able to implement their own mandate and fire anyone who refuses the shot.  There's no end of griping about businesses choosing to do such a thing, but pretty much everyone understands it's their right to do it.
    Here is a list of things I do see anti-vax folks doing:
    - I know one person who quit his job because they were talking mandates, and went to work for another company that wasn't.
    - My wife has heard of several in the medical and nursing fields who have quit over company mandates, only to be quietly hired back later.
    - I have a buddy who runs a consulting firm, who is asking every contact he has "if someone is ticked off or fired because of the vaccine, send them my way and I'll hire them".  If his firm grows to 99 people, he'll start a second firm.
    - I know 3, and have heard of dozens more, anti vax folks who just knuckled down and got the jab, to keep their jobs.  I can accept their principled stands against mandatory jabs, and their practical choice to not give up their paycheck.  
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Anddenex in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    As to my studies and experiences here are items my mind's eye ponders:
    1. Is this really a right or wrong scenario, or can both be right?
    2. The contrast depend on the doctrine.
    3. What have the scriptures taught regarding contrasting revelations?
    4. What is the written counsel in comparison with verbal counsel?
    The first is simply recognizing that both can be right, especially when the Prophet -- at this time -- is the Prophet for the whole world. In that light, he gives counsel to all members who are within socialists and other forms of government. I think the Prophet, in our day, is in the most peculiar situation than any other prophet. We teach the Article of Faith #12 and the Church abides by this, especially for members in Communist countries.
    The second is recognizing what counsel/doctrine does personal revelation contrast? If a person received revelation that SSM is good (just an easy doctrine to contrast), the doctrine is pretty clear on that. It doesn't require a deep poignant thought to recognize where that personal revelation came from. It isn't the Lord. In another thread another easy one is the personal revelation that the Book of Mormon isn't the word of God, which is in clear contrast/opposition to what the Lord actually said he would do. If a brother said they received revelation that having sex before marriage, with future wife the day before wedding, was his will...well, again, we can clearly see that isn't going to be the case and the personal revelation was not from God.
    The third brings up Nephi and Laban. If our personal revelation truly appears to contrast doctrine/counsel from the prophet, then like Nephi, we have every right to further witness from the Lord to know that our witness is truly from him. As imperfect beings, we are all still learning the principle of revelation and our revelation is not always perfect. I remember receiving a revelation that something would happen 9 years from that date. It is 5 years past that date and nothing happened. I never told anyone because I wasn't sure myself. I just kept it to myself. But as sons and daughters of God we have every right to request further light and knowledge, further witness like Nephi, in these situations so we can move forward with confidence -- while ignoring the finger of scorn of others.
    As with President Nelson's invitation/counsel, it compliments and contradicts the Handbook. What is written, verses what is verbally spoken. The Handbook specifically tells us to take the matter to the Lord, personally revelation. In that light, they compliment. The invitation is to take the vaccine and the Handbook says to make it a matter of prayer and personal revelation. As this is something that can actually harm my body (its not the same as the Word of Wisdom), and it reacts differently to each individual, the counsel for personal revelation trumps the invitation if God says, "Don't, it isn't for you." The invitation/counsel in the Handbook pretty much follows Doctrine and Covenants 9:8-9.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Traveler in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    I suggest keeping a journal for your own benefit.  Often our impressions of our thoughts (personal revelation) evolve over time.  I would reference a talk by Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf.  When there is not a sure reference people tend to travel in circles rather than a straight line.  I believe this happens with personal revelation as well.  If there is not a immovable reference point there is a tendency to drift off course and become lost - meaning you are not positioned as you think you are.
    I believe this is a problem with COVID as well.  Our political leaders have no point of reference and as correct as they think their are - their direction is quite confusing.
     
    The Traveler
     
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Anddenex in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    That is terrifying. We all always pose a potential risk of spreading communicable disease, and disease has always been among us. Let's just cede more power to the government to interfere in our lives, yeesh.
    As for the reference to the prior conversation, I thank you for your input. I'm undecided on where I stand with that issue still and perhaps border on the side of apostasy in my beliefs, so I'll keep those thoughts to myself - although I have formed them through scripture study and some prayer. Either way, I appreciate the apologetic approach and have wrestled with various iterations of how this could be. I suppose, in many ways it comes back to a much earlier conversation (circa 2012ish) wherein I expressed concerns over personal interpretation of spiritual answers. It's hard because if I'm supposed to follow personal revelation and follow the prophet and the two don't agree, which is wrong? Either my personal revelation upon which my testimony was originally developed is askew calling in to question the validity of anything moving forward, or something else entirely and I just don't know.
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Anddenex in New Years Resolutions vs New Year Systems   
    Which is really not that different, I suppose. The idea behind setting up these systems is no doubt still driven by a hope to reach a specific goal. It's not dissimilar from missionary goals being followed up with action items - something that can actually be acted on. Thus we can think of systems as being sets of action items that are focused on to still ultimately attaining a goal, at least if I'm understanding correctly. Perhaps a distinction would be that success is predicated on following the system and not attaining the goal... but at the same time if the end goal is not being attained but the system is being adhered to then it would inform the user that the system is failing, not the user, and thus the system needs to be adjusted. On the other hand, if the system is not being followed, the person needs to figure out why and follow it, but can't blame the system - they have to own up to not following through.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Anddenex in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    In light of a previous conversation SpiritDragon, this type of bill that appears to have been removed, due to the backlash received, is in part why I contemplate if President Nelson's vaccine invitation is for this type of government action also (an attempt to keep the members safe): A.416. The vague definition of "temporary" and other factors within this bill are truly scary and how easily the natural man (corrupted man) could use this for evil purposes.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Anddenex in New Years Resolutions vs New Year Systems   
    Thank you. As I'm in Software Testing, my first thought of "systems" leaned me to thinking it was like a module in a software program. The modules are the systems that run the programs, and the programs are developed for a specific end goal.
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Traveler in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    If good data were actually kept on this then the comparison he is looking for would be possible. It should be a simple matter to track what treatments are given to whom and what outcomes happen. I realize that good data is sadly a big ask and definitely too much to wish for in the age of Covid stupidity where any option besides the vaccines is largely dismissed and the vaccines are held on a pedestal they don't deserve. One would think with the epic failures of the vaccines to prevent infection and transmission to the point that they are being touted as merely a tool for reducing more severe outcomes that other treatment options would be welcomed, but instead they are censored and every effort made to suppress data on whether such treatments help while the narrative is to continue to push the failed vaccines as the only way forward.
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Anddenex in New Years Resolutions vs New Year Systems   
    I'm curious about this as well. I've had Atomic Habits on my birthday/Christmas wishlist for a couple years now but it has been overlooked, so I haven't read it yet, but I've heard this concept of systems vs goals before and I'm not sure I see the distinction. Perhaps it's akin to what I would refer to as the difference between behaviour goals and outcome goals.

    We can't directly control outcomes (i.e. drop xyz pounds, make X sales, etc.) But we can control behaviours (hit the gym, skip the sweets, talk to X people, ask for referrals, etc.) By leveraging behaviours associated with outcomes we move the needle by controlling what we can control. When we also fall short of our behaviour goals we can use these "failures" as good information gathering opportunities to learn what factors contributed to the lack of success one day or why on a different occasion we were successful. When sufficient info is collected it makes it easier to implement strategies to increase the success rate sticking to desired behaviours.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Fether in New Years Resolutions vs New Year Systems   
    Generally speaking, we would call them the same, but the book makes the distinction between the two.
    Goals:
    - Have a 6-pack
    - Make $100,000
    - Run a marathon
    - lose 50 lbs
    - Read 25 books
    Systems:
    - set an alarm every morning for 6am and exercise
    - call 15 potential clients every day before I can have lunch to try and sell them my product
    - Run 1 mile every night right when I get home from work
    - meal prep every Saturday 
    - listen to audible while I run and exercise. 
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Anddenex in New Years Resolutions vs New Year Systems   
    @Fether Can you describe the difference between a system and a goal, and an example of what that might look like? Right now it appears like a great idea but more a semantic paradigm.
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    SpiritDragon got a reaction from Anddenex in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    If good data were actually kept on this then the comparison he is looking for would be possible. It should be a simple matter to track what treatments are given to whom and what outcomes happen. I realize that good data is sadly a big ask and definitely too much to wish for in the age of Covid stupidity where any option besides the vaccines is largely dismissed and the vaccines are held on a pedestal they don't deserve. One would think with the epic failures of the vaccines to prevent infection and transmission to the point that they are being touted as merely a tool for reducing more severe outcomes that other treatment options would be welcomed, but instead they are censored and every effort made to suppress data on whether such treatments help while the narrative is to continue to push the failed vaccines as the only way forward.
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    SpiritDragon reacted to Anddenex in Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)   
    The first part of your statement is the crux of all the data. Data, stats can be easily manipulated toward narrative. I place little trust in statistics with regards to a pandemic that has been politically and narrative motivated. There isn't many places you can trust, as you read the article and the bias comes outwardly clear.
    Similar to Joe Rogan and how the media and many others, even on here, followed narrative rather than recognizing the treatment that helped. But the narrative and vax (although people are still dying with the vax) is more important than treatment.