Lakumi

No those people are extremely unrealistic in terms of how nerds and geeks act, are seen by others, etc

the first test, the Ring of Clover's And two will step into this ring, with long weapons akin to blades of grass, and you will face the forest spirit in there! You will face your demons there!

We know the Bible has been tainted by humans, parts taken out, changed, mistranslated, etc Who's mistakes are those? I don't believe anything humans have is untained, in that regard. I mean the BoM has been changed, when it was written it had no numbers, changed words, corrections, etc

We're an irrational bunch, sometimes I don't even understand it myself. But one must know ones self, and whatever she thought, be it real or embellished, she must have thought the church wasn't right for her. Sure she could have told them a little nicer (I can't judge I said absolutely nothing) but that again, leads into the irrational thoughts people like me can have. Hopefully the missionaries didn't take it personal.

that's our word, you have no right using it!

Oh I've met with them plenty, I go to church when my mind feels up to it (as I said elsewhere, I can become extremely irrational and just simply get angry at nothing and will refuse to go somewhere, converting would ultimately in this point in life be a bad idea due to the very real chance I could get mad at something most people wouldn't even think of and just vanish) I spared the missionaries all of my odd questions (like the tithing one), but dropping an irrational introvert, alone, into a social church, that's real hard. So I sit at home and do my own reading and learning.

as a 20 something I can tell you basically everything by just looking at it once lol I wonder if I should buy a phone again

You know, speaking from personal experiences, perhaps sheer shyness effects some people. When you're an introvert sometimes those 3 hours can be torture, I fully admit most of my problems with church are strange and truly bizarre when compared to more logical ideas for falling away. (Though I never took the plunge since the idea of being the center of things terrified me to my very core, but that's a thread for another day). With other churches I was free to observe and was largely ignored, there's no being ignored in an LDS church.

I wonder what my next story will be about? I wonder if all that paperwork will amount to something... And I wonder if they'll ever write the scriptures in modern english, and if they do why haven't I found out...

I've not gotten much amazing advice, I've given some out, but I think the most interesting things are when people ask why I believe in something, my beliefs change and they always have and always will as I find new things and take them into my system, though I due think its due to my very unique way of thinking...

That's why I avoided it lol Sorry just thought some humour was needed

The more you worry the harder it will be, with any teaching. Good job and good luck man.

I noticed right after I posted that... now I just look silly!

Do you have a link for that, I'd like to read that.

the suffering when you are alone is less then the suffering when you love someone. People certainly don't act like their happy in relationships, and they don't act happy on dates or anything. No one's happy, and they drag me down with them, so I prefer solitude. I can regulate my own happiness, throw someone else in the mix and its chaos.

I've never heard it said to be a treatment, but I have heard it having benifits of health, and can offer links to such studies if need be

If you ever need someone to jot down some tales I'd love to take part and PM them to you

Oh well its just everyone typing, I've done it that way for Star Trek RPGs And the Paladin thing was a joke, and my suggestion for magic is have it in a more alchemist style, where spells are made by the mixing of things-roots, teeth, what have you. Back then the average person would have thought chemisty to be magic, so have it like he uses primative grenades that have a sleeping gas or something. Think outside the box, magic doesn't have to mean Lakumi-eye lazers! You are only limited by your own imagination. I'd like to see a Mormon Gnome lol

26; Now, as I said concerning faith—that it was not a perfect knowledge—even so it is with my words. Ye cannot know of their surety at first, unto perfection, any more than faith is a perfect knowledge. It's written kind of oddly but I think I get what its saying

So like a whole bunch of Paladins on the road to becoming Paladins? How are you gonna play it, skype? I still play D&D but the more classical murder monsters everywhere!

How would you build the base, I like that analogy personally

I invite all to pick apart my beliefs as much as they want. I understand what you mean, but I will say regardless of the history and proof I see or don't see, I still have a great respect and liking of the LDS church, even if I disagree with it in some places (or just have pointless things to dislike) and I have found my complete mysanthropic tendancies going away, slowly, since reading and such, made the horrid pain go away when I was working in the corn fields. And I give credit to it for that, whatever it did, made me think, whatever.

You brought up bitterness, this was one of the things I guess I am "bitter about" I would say defensiveness is a bad word too, I enjoy conversations such as these, healthy discussion never hurt anyone.

I come down hard on everything that people tell me is fact, but has no sufficant proof to me. You're telling me something is true, without any proof but prayer-now for some things I can understand needs faith, such as diety, things like faeries (I can't convince you I've seen faeries but I know I've seen them) stuff like that I can understand is built on faith, but I can't understand how i am expected to just believe something like entire societies of people existing, and that they left absolutely nothing behind. I don't have to pray to know any other ancient society existed, why this one? You can't present something as history then completely ignore the entire concept of how history works. And I have said time and time before, I am fully ready to admit I am wrong if I get the same sort of proof I demand from others when discussing other ancient peoples-this is no different. I am not being bitter, but you can't say to someone who doesn't have faith to simply have faith. I believe something set the course of life upon this planet into motion, I believe the BoM and the other scriptures have some good things to teach people, but beyond that everything else is faith-and I do have faith in things, some things I cannot explain, and I accept i come up short there. But I maintain my belief that if one cannot prove a society existed, like they have proven all other societies have existed, then why should I believe it existed? My mind cannot wrap itself around that.