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When I had COVID I had no symptoms.  It would be nice to know how many positive cases of COVID had no symptoms and the demographics.  I am not sure if there is even an effort to gather this data - when I ask the professions that were contacting me during my quarantine - none were able to answer my questions.   I am of the opinion that the high risk demographics are too broad.  For example, I am 75 and thus are considered a high risk but I am not overweight.  Overweight may be much more important than advertised. I do not believe we are getting the full range of what is actually known about COVID.  Also in my research I discovered that COVID kills it host via cytokine storm - which is in essence an overaction of the immune system but I have yet to see any COVID deaths that indicate the cause of death as a cytokine storm.  I wonder if deaths are way over reported.
There is a lot of political talk about "The Science" but very little data published and explained.  But what troubles me the most is that no one can tell me why data is not made available and open to peer review and public discussion. 
 
The Traveler

I'm still in the age and health group where I'd honestly rather just risk getting COVID (assuming I haven't already).

The CDC wants their cake and eat too, but they can't have it both ways.
They want us to fully embrace their numbers when it comes to Covid deaths, but on the other hand completely ignore/discredit the numbers on VAERS Vaccine related deaths.
Both stats derive their data from imperfect sources, so why are we told only to believe one and ignore the other?
The VAERS database belongs to the CDC, but when/if the data doesn't support their narrative they want to distance themselves from it.
The VAERS disclaimer states:

The exact excuses (incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, unverifiable, biases) are the same reasons their Covid death numbers can't be relied upon either (See Death Certificate post above). Again the CDC says, "We have no biases, believe us, trust us, our numbers are accurate, but only if those numbers agree with what we want them to say".
Like my girl Padmé, I have a vote of "no confidence" in the CDC right now.

 
 

Totally hear you and agree with this assessment. 
I simply didn't read the Buzzfeed article further since that type of "Trump lies" bias is repetitive old news at this point. 
If 'journalist' would give me something new that was biased I'd most likely read it. 
I'm not opposed to hearing the other side, but once I've heard it, I don't need to hear it 99 more times to get the point. 👍

Oh, you are not wrong to have a bad reaction at the transparently blinder-wearingly-one-sided bias here.   But something to consider:
When you play golf, you think about the wind direction, and you swing to the left or right because you expect the wind will blow the ball towards the hole.  It's the same deal reading news - any news - from any source.   There is always a wind direction, the secret is to be able to tell which way the wind is blowing and adjust your information gathering appropriately.
The buzzfeed article, for example - presents many useful facts (the hole).  The biased commentary is just the wind.  
IMO, you do yourself a disservice when you refuse to expose yourself to known bias, just because it ain't your bias.  Because:
- Sun Tzu's "know thy enemy" is good advice. 
- The (probably fake) Ancient Native American wisdom to "walk a mile in a foe's moccasins" is good advice.
- The Lord's commandment to "love thy neighbor" and "forgive thy enemy" are both much easier if you understand them.  And they're also good bits of advice.
 

I've tried to figure out Eve's leg in the past. Best I can figure out is the following, which makes sense... BUT is nonetheless just awkward in the piece of art.

A little more info: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/twitter-suspends-audit-accounts-trump
I'm guessing Twitter's excuse may have been that these accounts tweeted photos of posts instead of actual posts, as a way to get around Twitter's AI.
When did life become a chapter out of the book Neuromancer?

Today, both official Arizona audit Twitter accounts have been suspended. 
Suppose if you can ban a ex President, an election audit is nothing more than a minor speed bump to sweep under the rug. 

Today, both official Arizona audit Twitter accounts have been suspended. 
Suppose if you can ban a ex President, an election audit is nothing more than a minor speed bump to sweep under the rug. 

Oldie but goodie.
 

I'm not worried about things in the grand scheme of the eternities.
Though I'm a good arguing buddy from time to time, and I get on my hobby horse like we all do occasionally, I'm not worried about the battles that are won by the 'other' side.
I ultimately only care about the eternal perspective and find comfort in knowing the Savior wins the actual war.
As much as vaccines, liberals, loss of freedoms, etc. pull me into the storm, I'll continue to do my best to focus on what matters.

If 'voting' made a difference any longer in our country, you might have a point.
IMO we are well past the 'Righteousness & Prosperity' stage of the pride cycle.
Rather we are now simply transitioning from the 'Pride & Wickedness' stage into the 'Destruction & Suffering' stage. If my unvaccinated family and I are passed on and serving in the Spirit World,  while the mortal world is run by liberals and their champagne, I'll take it as a win.
 
Side note: I just spent the weekend at Adam-ondi-Ahman, wonderful place. I'm 100% fine if the 2nd coming happens later today, or I'm even willing to wait until tomorrow. Just sayin.

If 'voting' made a difference any longer in our country, you might have a point.
IMO we are well past the 'Righteousness & Prosperity' stage of the pride cycle.
Rather we are now simply transitioning from the 'Pride & Wickedness' stage into the 'Destruction & Suffering' stage. If my unvaccinated family and I are passed on and serving in the Spirit World,  while the mortal world is run by liberals and their champagne, I'll take it as a win.
 
Side note: I just spent the weekend at Adam-ondi-Ahman, wonderful place. I'm 100% fine if the 2nd coming happens later today, or I'm even willing to wait until tomorrow. Just sayin.

...and who kill their babies who dare to give life a try.
But of course, the abortion situation is messy and infinitely complicated, and it's unforgivably judgmental of people to say that aborting your babies is killing them. Unlike laughing that, oh, I don't know, let's say, all the conservative Covid deniers are going to die off from catching a disease because of their own repugnant stupidity. This is an obvious and very clever truth worthy of belly laughs and sage nods from those smart enough to perceive conservative idiocy.
It's always okay to mock stupid, self-destructive conservatives. But let's never hear a word against those poor, brave, enlightened souls on the left who suffer so bitterly for their sanity in a mad, Republican-ruled world. Please, just shut up and mask up. If you're not smart enough to do it for yourself, then do it for the protection of your betters.

I'm not worried about things in the grand scheme of the eternities.
Though I'm a good arguing buddy from time to time, and I get on my hobby horse like we all do occasionally, I'm not worried about the battles that are won by the 'other' side.
I ultimately only care about the eternal perspective and find comfort in knowing the Savior wins the actual war.
As much as vaccines, liberals, loss of freedoms, etc. pull me into the storm, I'll continue to do my best to focus on what matters.

I'm not worried about things in the grand scheme of the eternities.
Though I'm a good arguing buddy from time to time, and I get on my hobby horse like we all do occasionally, I'm not worried about the battles that are won by the 'other' side.
I ultimately only care about the eternal perspective and find comfort in knowing the Savior wins the actual war.
As much as vaccines, liberals, loss of freedoms, etc. pull me into the storm, I'll continue to do my best to focus on what matters.

If 'voting' made a difference any longer in our country, you might have a point.
IMO we are well past the 'Righteousness & Prosperity' stage of the pride cycle.
Rather we are now simply transitioning from the 'Pride & Wickedness' stage into the 'Destruction & Suffering' stage. If my unvaccinated family and I are passed on and serving in the Spirit World,  while the mortal world is run by liberals and their champagne, I'll take it as a win.
 
Side note: I just spent the weekend at Adam-ondi-Ahman, wonderful place. I'm 100% fine if the 2nd coming happens later today, or I'm even willing to wait until tomorrow. Just sayin.

I'm not worried about things in the grand scheme of the eternities.
Though I'm a good arguing buddy from time to time, and I get on my hobby horse like we all do occasionally, I'm not worried about the battles that are won by the 'other' side.
I ultimately only care about the eternal perspective and find comfort in knowing the Savior wins the actual war.
As much as vaccines, liberals, loss of freedoms, etc. pull me into the storm, I'll continue to do my best to focus on what matters.

I'm not worried about things in the grand scheme of the eternities.
Though I'm a good arguing buddy from time to time, and I get on my hobby horse like we all do occasionally, I'm not worried about the battles that are won by the 'other' side.
I ultimately only care about the eternal perspective and find comfort in knowing the Savior wins the actual war.
As much as vaccines, liberals, loss of freedoms, etc. pull me into the storm, I'll continue to do my best to focus on what matters.

If 'voting' made a difference any longer in our country, you might have a point.
IMO we are well past the 'Righteousness & Prosperity' stage of the pride cycle.
Rather we are now simply transitioning from the 'Pride & Wickedness' stage into the 'Destruction & Suffering' stage. If my unvaccinated family and I are passed on and serving in the Spirit World,  while the mortal world is run by liberals and their champagne, I'll take it as a win.
 
Side note: I just spent the weekend at Adam-ondi-Ahman, wonderful place. I'm 100% fine if the 2nd coming happens later today, or I'm even willing to wait until tomorrow. Just sayin.

Mormons pray for “rain”, but only give thanks for “moisture”.

As someone who has worked with doctors in grad school, I can say that the very best doctors are wonderfully intelligent and highly trained. But even they don't know everything, are well aware of their deficiencies, and do not pretend to knowledge and specialization they don't have.
Medical doctors get approximately the same level of training in virology as biology graduate students who take a graduate-level virology course with lab. That is to say, they get a good, thorough introduction to the field and are generally familiar with the principles involved, but they would not dream to then call themselves experts in virology. That is a specialty unto itself.
Then how do medical doctors make their recommendations in such things? Simple. They read up to see what the standard medical practices are, and they follow those. This is the blunt fact about how modern American medicine works. A doctor cannot possibly be expert in all things, and a family doctor (what used to be called a "general practitioner") usually cannot be expert in pretty much anything—possibly pediatrics or some such thing. Such doctors are generalists, almost by definition. They simply follow the standard practice, not because they're expert, but because they trust that the experts have done the thinking for them.
Not sure the world can work in a different way when people are hyperspecialized. But it certainly makes the idea that "any doctor who says so is perfectly believable" (or, in dprh's words, "as long as it's someone that has an education in medicine and successful in their practice at it, you're good") simply untrue.
COVID has a death rate of under 1.5% for those who get infected. Looking at a chart of death rate vs. age—an alarmist chart, to be sure, one that seeks to maximize the perception of danger* (blue bar is lower bound, black bar is upper bound)—we see that children and young adults are virtually immune from fatal effects of COVID. Those in middle age experience a death rate greater than that of an average flu, but not worthy of the worldwide panic that has gripped those who have allowed themselves to be unduly influenced by a sensationalist media. According to the chart below—a biased chart, remember—it is only those over 75 years of age that stand a really alarming chance of dying from COVID.
 

*This chart is obviously biased. Those over the age of 65 comprise less than 10% of the world population, meaning those under 65 are 90% of the population. The very oldest, whose death rate bars are the scariest, constitute no more than about 1% of the world population. Yet the "Total" death rate given is substantially higher even than that of the oldest group under 65. Assuming reasonable numbers for the various age groups, how is this high "Total" death rate statistically possible? It is possible only if we assume that young people simply don't get COVID at much of a rate, and that only old people get it. Even if you believe such nonsense, you can't claim that's what the media scare tells you on a daily basis. It's not only the death of very old people that the media pass around.
The bottom line is that the media feed us misinformation on a daily basis. The only question is whether they (1) are doing it intentionally as part of a dark, evil conspiracy, or (2) are simply too stupid to understand what's involved, or (3) are blinded by their own sociopolitical opinions and trying to play the hero by selectively portraying the numbers that they themselves believe (or that they think are necessary to get the population to act as they should), or (4) are themselves at the mercy of information providers, and are not (and cannot reasonably be expected to be) expert enough or intelligent enough to see how they are being manipulated. I'm sure it will be some combination of those four. What is absolutely beyond dispute is that, whatever you choose to believe, only a fool will take the media's coverage and analysis at face value.
(For the record, I assume about 40% #3, 30% #2, 20% #4, and 10% #1.)

Equally curious. If a doctor said, "You don't need the vaccine"... would you even listen to their advice or would you try to perhaps, lets say, discredit them instead?
Also, what happened to the rest of the handbook guidance... "and also seek the guidance of the Holy Ghost."?
So... what should an individual do if a medical professional says 'get the vaccine', but the Holy Ghost says 'not now'?

Nope.  I never take flu shots.  I don't need to talk to a doctor about flu shots.  Covid-19 is a flu.  I have never yet heard a doctor say not to take the flu shots.  They always say take it.  In my 54 years of not taking flu shots, I've had the flu maybe 3 times.
Neither did I receive any promptings from the spirit to take the shot.  

My father is high-risk, his medical professional told him and my mother not to take the vaccine despite him being high risk.