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    zil got a reaction from SilentOne in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Maybe stop thinking of it as a "tactic" and instead as a natural hormonal response which doesn't need solving or defending against?  IMO, tears (assuming they're real) in a woman (and probably a male) are generally a release valve for overwhelming emotion.  We all have multiple such release valves, and tears are a more common one in females, but that's exactly what they are.  They aren't something to be stopped or a problem to be solved - they are, in fact, the solution to the problem (the problem being excess emotion which needs release, relief, or expression).  So just let her cry.  Maybe give her some Kleenex® brand facial tissue.
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    zil got a reaction from carlimac in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Maybe stop thinking of it as a "tactic" and instead as a natural hormonal response which doesn't need solving or defending against?  IMO, tears (assuming they're real) in a woman (and probably a male) are generally a release valve for overwhelming emotion.  We all have multiple such release valves, and tears are a more common one in females, but that's exactly what they are.  They aren't something to be stopped or a problem to be solved - they are, in fact, the solution to the problem (the problem being excess emotion which needs release, relief, or expression).  So just let her cry.  Maybe give her some Kleenex® brand facial tissue.
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    zil got a reaction from Anddenex in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Erm, is one of them dead now?  Cuz if not...
    (I'm not gonna guess one way or the other what is or is not revelation, just that in addition to all the other ways in which we misinterpret these things, timing and bumps along the way often make us assume final outcome despite the outcome not being final at all.)
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    zil got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    And the guy in white is not mentioned again once Lehi gets into the dark and dreary waste.  Did the guy leave him there?  Did Lehi get excited to tell the tree part of the vision and forget to finish this guy's story-line?  Did Nephi edit the guy out for the Reader's Digest Condensed version?
    (I noticed this just this morning.  Along with more meaningful thoughts, I had to wonder about the guy in white.)
    </derailment>
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    zil got a reaction from mirkwood in Modern Secret Combinations   
    I see Nancy's cheap-o ballpoints and raise her three fountain pens (which will not be given away):
     
     
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    zil got a reaction from Anddenex in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    And the guy in white is not mentioned again once Lehi gets into the dark and dreary waste.  Did the guy leave him there?  Did Lehi get excited to tell the tree part of the vision and forget to finish this guy's story-line?  Did Nephi edit the guy out for the Reader's Digest Condensed version?
    (I noticed this just this morning.  Along with more meaningful thoughts, I had to wonder about the guy in white.)
    </derailment>
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    zil reacted to Traveler in Agency and the Atonement   
    There is a tendency to try to understand divine revelations from what we understand or experience between birth and death.  If we are to understand anything concerning G-d - we must understand that such an approach is inadequate.   If there is agency - there must be intelligence - for there can be no agency without intelligence.  I have expressed before that in my profession I deal with artificial intelligence.  I would like to tell you all that I am an expert in such things - but the technology  of artificial intelligence has greatly expanded in the last 5 years.  I have a son that is current and an expert; that is light years beyond my understanding of artificial intelligence.
    Scientifically we define intelligence as the ability to learn and change behavior.   I find this to be an excellent definition - even from a spiritual perspective.    In order of something to be intelligent, a necessary element is the ability to remember.  Without memory there can be no learning in order to change behavior.  There is however, a severer and critical element of intelligence concerning our mortal birth.  Our memory was wiped clean with what is called "The vale" in the Plan of Salvation.  There is more to this vale than just memory loss but for sake of discussion I intend to reference the memory loss for our understanding of the Plan of Salvation and how agency is the most important element of our transcendence via the Plan of Salvation. 
    Agency demands that we determine our own outcome of the Plan of Salvation.  And yet it does not take a genius to realize that we cannot determine our birth or death circumstance based solely on our current knowledge and intelligence.  In addition, for thousands of years, it has been argued what if anything any individual can change even the least circumstance concerning anything in this mortal experience - how is it possible for G-d to be in control.  Thus the main argument concerning agency in religious circles revolves around the idea that if every individual has means to change anything - how can it possibly be, that G-d is in control?
    I want to introduce another thought, idea or principle of the Plan of Salvation.  This is the principle of a test or trial.  I think that many have the wrong idea about tests or trials in relationship to the Plan of Salvation.  One thing I am famous for in my profession is in the field of testing or trials.  I do not believe that anything "works" unless it has been fully tested.  But then, I do not believe that testing or trials is for the purpose of passing or failing.  I see testing and trials for the purpose of preparation and determining what needs changing is necessary in order to be useful under what circumstances.
    I do not believe that our mortal existence is so G-d can have an excuse to place us in outer darkness or some place of Glory in the next life.  Such thinking just does not jive with agency nor the Plan of Salvation or even the love and compassion of G-d let alone that we are intelligent beings in the image and likeness of G-d.  Those that employ this logic will always come to false conclusions - which is the same as believing a lie. 
    I submit that in the next life, with our full memory restored and as a result of our complete and entirely adequate testing and trials of our mortal probation we can, through our intelligence and agency make all the changes for what best fits (perfectly fits) our desires and self induced and determined destiny.  The reason this works - is because we will all have tasted of the fruit of tree of knowledge of good and evil and as such became fallen beings subject to sin and death.  And then through the love and grace of G-d and by the atonement all our sins will be mitigated and wiped clean.  Then we, by our by knowledge, intelligence and agency choose for ourselves.
     
    The Traveler
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    zil got a reaction from Traveler in Come Follow me 2020!   
    Yes.  Reading something non-stop allows us to retain more of the whole than if there are breaks between short bursts.  I've always found Isaiah easier to understand if I read it for hours straight rather than in short bursts (which yield little more than confusion).
    This was brought home again last year when I decided to binge-read my favorite novel series - 19 books in 26 days - before the end, I was seeing patterns I'd never noticed before despite having read each of these books multiple times already.  My conclusion is that if you want to find patterns and connections, you need to read everything through as fast as you can (possibly faster).
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    zil reacted to NeuroTypical in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    I've had some incredibly strong spiritual impressions.  Sometimes I have to think hard about what they mean, sometimes I don't. 
    Had one the other day as I was having barbeque with an LDS buddy of mine.  Doesn't mean he's the one for me.
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    zil reacted to Anddenex in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    I personally don't think we put enough in our impressions such that many good ones are ignored because we create confusion by saying, "Was that from God, or just myself"? Then we don't act.
    Not every impression is meant to lead to a garden of Eden.
    Something I just noticed in the Book of Mormon, Lehi's vision, is that the messenger from God who bade him to follow him first lead him through a dark and dreary waste, which lead to even further darkness, by which Lehi prayed for mercy and then obtained mercy. Something to think about.
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    zil reacted to Anddenex in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    This might have meaning for you:
     
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    zil got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Modern Secret Combinations   
    This is how government documents have been signed for decades, if not longer - multiple pens, all given out to various folk after the fact.  And the US certainly aren't the only ones who do this.  Not sure how this relates to secret combinations - though the sight of all those ballpoints makes me suspicious.
    That said, anyone who's worked closely enough with the US federal government, and who understands the idea of secret combinations, can't hardly help but believe there are secret combinations therein.
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    zil reacted to Fether in April 2020 "a hinge point in the history of the Church"   
    I picture The twelve apostles, whole quorum of the 70, tabernacle choir, and 21,000 people seated on folding chairs in the middle of the woods.
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    zil reacted to Vort in One Big Counter Church Culture Trait We Could Do Without   
    That's the only way you can know they're worthy of your little girl.
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    zil reacted to mordorbund in One Big Counter Church Culture Trait We Could Do Without   
    @zil I believe we need a cartoon of the school Vort opened for the men who married his daughters.
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    zil got a reaction from SilentOne in Come Follow me 2020!   
    Yes.  Reading something non-stop allows us to retain more of the whole than if there are breaks between short bursts.  I've always found Isaiah easier to understand if I read it for hours straight rather than in short bursts (which yield little more than confusion).
    This was brought home again last year when I decided to binge-read my favorite novel series - 19 books in 26 days - before the end, I was seeing patterns I'd never noticed before despite having read each of these books multiple times already.  My conclusion is that if you want to find patterns and connections, you need to read everything through as fast as you can (possibly faster).
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    zil got a reaction from SilentOne in One Big Counter Church Culture Trait We Could Do Without   
    Whoa!  Dude, this is totally cool.  I've always wanted to be able to do this.  Excuse me a moment while I put on my shoes and a jacket.....
    OK, ready.  Ahem.  Here we go.  Wait, will I need a passport?  Meh, I'll just bring a bunch of cash.  Hang on, back in a sec.......
    OK, now ready.  <clears throat again>  Wish me luck.  "The plates of Ether." . . . . .  Dude!  Nothing happened.  No boom.  I'm still on the couch.  This sucks.  If we were on facebook, I'd unfriend you!
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    zil reacted to Traveler in Come Follow me 2020!   
    I once attempted to read the Book of Mormon from cover to cover in one sitting while on a flight to Japan.  I got through Alma before I ran into difficulty staying awake.   I finished on the return flight.  There is something to reading on your own from cover to cover - for me - I noticed a lot of what I call spiritual connections.  This is where something that was a little vague was made more clear or something added later to a particular subject earlier.
     
    The Traveler
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    zil reacted to NeuroTypical in What is Command over the Elements?   
    Three stories:
    One year, all the Young Women went off to Young Women's camp.  One of the highlights of that camp, is parents write the young women personal letters, and the folks running the camp send them off individually into the woods, to read the letter and then kneel and pray in the beautiful privacy of nature.  It rained a lot.  The spiritual experience was in danger of being cancelled it was raining so hard.  So the Stake President gathered everyone together, and led them in prayer.  He commanded the rain to stop falling, so the YW could have the opportunity of the solo spiritual experience.   The rain stopped falling, and the YW all wandered off into the forest where they had their spiritual experiences in that crisp clean sunny calm you find right after a big storm.  Afterwards, the rain started again.  I heard about this the next testimony meeting, where 3-4 teary YW got up and bore their testimony about the experience.
    Back in the mid '80's, Salt Lake was getting hammered by snow in one blizzard after blizzard. Road crews couldn't keep the roads open, power outages were a thing, people were stuck in their homes.  It was getting dangerous, there had been a couple of deaths.  The brethren asked all the saints in the area to join in prayer at a specific time to beseech God to stop the snow so the people might have relief.  I remember the next day it snowed - it made the news as folks guffawed and snorted, and you could tell which local weathermen were LDS and which weren't, by the look of embarrassment or snugness on their faces.  It snowed an inch, maybe two.  Everyone went back to life as usual.  But a few days later, the news was giving a weather report on the next massive blizzard hitting the area.  The weathermen were pointing at the map, describing how this one was missing Salt Lake county.  The radar image showed the whole state mostly covered in white, with this little arc of break in the front, where SLC/Orem/Provo was.  Nobody else seemed to link the praying with the break, but I made the link.
    Last story, a few years back, forest fires caused our entire ward to be evacuated.  One of our zealous-to-the-point-of-foolishness High Priests lived in the trees, and decided not to evacuate.  The way he told the story, he had the priesthood and a tractor, so he didn't need to heed any civil authority's call to flee.  He would just command the elements in faith.  He told us he sat there on his tractor watching the fire approach.  When it got close, he bowed his head in mighty prayer and beseeched God to divert the flames from around his property.  Then the flaming ash started falling from the sky.  As he told the story, he was a little embarrassed to say he had to drive his tractor around and put out the dozen or so little fires that started.  He lost a few trees.  I remember wanting to ask him why he asked God instead of commanding the elements.  Did he not have sufficient faith, as he had boasted about going into the event?  But he was telling us the story at a ward social, and I didn't want to get him mad or riled up enough to start a preachy monologue.  Dude is lucky he didn't die.  That fire was the most expensive in Colorado history, and killed two people.
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    zil got a reaction from mordorbund in What is Command over the Elements?   
    Please try not to mix the priesthood with concepts from fantasy fiction or games - IMO, the mixing will only harm in the long run.
    Other than that, I refer you to the hymn "Master, the Tempest Is Raging" (and its linked scriptures) as a starting point.  "Elements" in this context would usually mean the weather - as when Jesus calmed the stormy sea.  But could also refer to incidents such as when the children of Israel crossed the Red Sea on dry ground (and Joshua with the river Jordan), or those described in Moses 7.
    A study of scripture will show more than casual cause for such events.
    IMO, a far greater power would be the power to love God with all your heart and mind, and to then go share that love with those around you.  The sooner one figures out how to gain this power, the sooner one will have more than enough power to do everything one could really want.
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    zil got a reaction from Carborendum in What is Command over the Elements?   
    Decided it warrants a quote:
    Be the ship.
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    zil got a reaction from SilentOne in What is Command over the Elements?   
    Please try not to mix the priesthood with concepts from fantasy fiction or games - IMO, the mixing will only harm in the long run.
    Other than that, I refer you to the hymn "Master, the Tempest Is Raging" (and its linked scriptures) as a starting point.  "Elements" in this context would usually mean the weather - as when Jesus calmed the stormy sea.  But could also refer to incidents such as when the children of Israel crossed the Red Sea on dry ground (and Joshua with the river Jordan), or those described in Moses 7.
    A study of scripture will show more than casual cause for such events.
    IMO, a far greater power would be the power to love God with all your heart and mind, and to then go share that love with those around you.  The sooner one figures out how to gain this power, the sooner one will have more than enough power to do everything one could really want.
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    zil reacted to Anddenex in What is Command over the Elements?   
    If using anime terms helps you to understand principles/truths in the gospel I have no problem with it. As your intelligence increases these terms will be insufficient and they will slowly fade away from your gospel vernacular when describing the authority and power of the priesthood.
    Let's review the following verse of scripture, "Wherefore, we search the prophets, and we have many revelations and the spirit of prophecy; and having all these witnesses we obtain a hope, and our faith becometh unshaken, insomuch that we truly can command in the name of Jesus and the very trees obey us, or the mountains, or the waves of the sea." (emphasis mine)
    Another example would be when Nephi prays to the Lord (as already provided) that a famine would replace the war, or cause the war to stop and entice the people to repentance. This is another example of having command over the elements that are upon this earth, and therefore can command a change at is smallest building block.
    In our New Testament we are provided with Christ's first miracle the turning of water into wine. This is obviously different from commanding a famine upon the land. The is different than calming a storm, or (as has been already mentioned) causing a great east wind that divided the Red Sea into two while the children of Israel walked on the ground to cross the Red Sea.
    Water into wine would be an example of changing one element into another element at its core. If a scientist were to research and test would the scientist have said, "This was never water, it has always been wine"? (But that is a different topic) So, yes, God could easily have command over one element (i.e. copper) and change that element into another element (i.e. gold). He knows the workings at the smallest unit that makes up the element.
    When Christ said to the Pharisees, "that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham," I believe to be both literal and figurative.
    Faith to move mountains was accomplished by the Brother of Jared. Yes, as God is able to create universes and planets, surely he can move anything within them.
     
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    zil got a reaction from MrShorty in Sixteen Sodium Atoms   
    What do you call someone who likes farm equipment?
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    Protractor.
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    zil got a reaction from Vort in What is Command over the Elements?   
    Please try not to mix the priesthood with concepts from fantasy fiction or games - IMO, the mixing will only harm in the long run.
    Other than that, I refer you to the hymn "Master, the Tempest Is Raging" (and its linked scriptures) as a starting point.  "Elements" in this context would usually mean the weather - as when Jesus calmed the stormy sea.  But could also refer to incidents such as when the children of Israel crossed the Red Sea on dry ground (and Joshua with the river Jordan), or those described in Moses 7.
    A study of scripture will show more than casual cause for such events.
    IMO, a far greater power would be the power to love God with all your heart and mind, and to then go share that love with those around you.  The sooner one figures out how to gain this power, the sooner one will have more than enough power to do everything one could really want.