Rob Osborn

Computers are machines. They are a series of switches turning on and off according to how they are programmed.

I was speaking in the context of this definition- "Intelligence has been defined in many ways, including: the capacity for logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, and problem solving. More generally, it can be described as the ability to perceive or infer information, and to retain it as knowledge to be applied towards adaptive behaviors within an environment or context." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence There is not this kind of intelligence in computers, they don't think, understand, reason, have emotion, etc.

This is not what is meant. Both "path" and "way" are used in plural in referencing God's plan of salvation. But it's all part of a singular path with a singular Savior and a singular kingdom of heaven. "Path" in the context of "paths" in the scriptures refers to God's precepts, his rules/laws. So, when one walks in the Lord's "paths" it means one is walking within the precepts or principles of law within God's many laws that comprise a singular law. It is in this correct sense the word is used. Here- 19 For I perceive that ye are in the paths of righteousness; I perceive that ye are in the path which leads to the kingdom of God; yea, I perceive that ye are making his paths straight. (Alma 7:19) One will notice in the first sentence it is plural meaning it refers to his precepts (plural). Then it places the plural within the singular as leading or meaning the numerous precepts that funnel one into the one way or path. Then it goes back to referencing it in the plural meaning bringing his many precepts into the same straight course. Here again- 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths; for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. (2 Nephi 12:3) This is paraphrasing Isaiah speaking of the precepts or covenants (plural in reference to paths meaning multiple covenants) we make in the temple in our latter day temples, not that there are multiple paths to different salvations. Here again- 5 And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness. (1 Nephi 16:5) This again in context is speaking of the numerous precepts or laws of righteousness. Here again- 36 And now, I say unto you, my brethren, that after ye have known and have been taught all these things, if ye should transgress and go contrary to that which has been spoken, that ye do withdraw yourselves from the Spirit of the Lord, that it may have no place in you to guide you in wisdom’s paths that ye may be blessed, prospered, and preserved- (Mosiah 2:36) Again, in context, the "paths" are being defined as precepts, principles, etc, which are plural meaning there are multiple precepts or rules that make up the singular way of God's work. Thanks Wade for bringing up this valuable insight that further adds light to this discussion of there being precepts and multiple covenants that make up the singular overall path of God's plan of salvation.

Of interest, I was caught between waking up and not fully awake and I was commanding Satan to leave my house and my whole body was shaking and out of my mouth was this river of light sequences and for a brief second I saw that there was real mathematical power in the sequences.

In order to be saved we must repent of "all" of our sins and be forgiven by Christ of "all" of our sins. This is by definition of being "perfect" in regards to the plan of salvation. Over and over I have attempted to show this harmony of the gospel in all of scripture including the D&C. I don't think people really understand what it means and what it requires to really be saved from hell. It isn't merely repentance from all sins in word only. It requires a change of heart. To repent of all ones sins means a complete change of heart into godliness. Only this type of individual can be saved from hell. Christ will not save someone in their sins. And, if one is truly repentant in order to be saved it's because of their strict obedience to the law in following the Savior in all he commands. Our baptismal covenant isn't hinged off the idea that we are cleansed and saved by following mostly or partly what the Savior commands but rather in "all" that he commands. There will not be ungodly souls who get saved. It's about "becoming" like Christ in learning and following him in all things. Christ will not, neither cannot, save those who do not desire to follow Christ in all he commands. I'm not foolish. The foolish and unwise follow the false belief that Christ will save those whose hearts are far from the desires of Christ and his commands.

All who are saved will have to repent, be baptized and become holy without spot.

There is intelligence in living things. In computers there's no intelligence, it's just a machine.

Aye, just as long as we recognize that artificial intelligence and real intelligence are, in large parts, completely different things.

I'm going to reply hopefully to help someone who may not understand. The path or way is a means to get where we can be saved. The path itself isn't the place of our salvation as a destination but rather the means or the way to find salvation. There also isn't any other path that leads to salvation. There's only one narrow gate and one narrow path. This gate and path is the "only" way that man can be saved from the eternal hell. There is no other way, no other process or means available whereby man has hope of salvation from hell. Also, along this path, once one has entered, are no exit signs that lead to other paths of salvation or places of rest. Why? Because the end of the path represents salvation from hell, it means one is saved only if he finishes the path. Rewards of glory or placement in heaven come after the path is completed. It's like Christ is begging us to come and follow him through the gate and on the path until completion so that at last we can be saved from hell because there is no other way to escape the damnation of hell without finishing the path.

Don't even want to address the point eh? Can't find the scripture showing the exit prematurely off of the narrow path eh?

But we aren't discussing the three glories here, although it does relate. We are discussing the narrow path. My point I am making is that the gate and path are the minimal actions one must take in order to be saved. This is the basic salvation spoken of in scripture. It's in this light- 29 Yea, we see that whosoever will may lay hold upon the word of God, which is quick and powerful, which shall divide asunder all the cunning and the snares and the wiles of the devil, and lead the man of Christ in a strait and narrow course across that everlasting gulf of misery which is prepared to engulf the wicked. (Hel. 3:29)

How do you mean?

Those Christ saves aren't saved in varrying degrees from hell (saved means saved from the eternal hell). We are either saved 100% from our sins or we aren't saved at all from them. Christ doesn't save someone from 88% percent of their sins, neither 1%, and neither 99%. If someone merits salvation it is because of their repentance and forgiveness of 100% of their sins. It means they are completely cleansed, not 88% cleansed, neither 1%, and neither 99%. This is the part where you can't explain- where does it say that Christ will save someone from most or part of their sins but not all of their sins?

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You really don't get it. It doesn't work. With your analogy being applied to the path of salvation you have to say that many along the way end up still having a degree of sin and thus filthy but yet nevertheless saved. It doesn't work that way. The end of the path represents cleanliness and purity. All those Christ saves he does so from all their sins because they have completely changed.

You don't even know what it means to speak with the tongue of angels do you? Go research it.

I think God created part of the universe, not all of it. World's without number is another way of saying "a lot" not that it truly means an infinite amount.

Apples and oranges on your analogy. We are talking about the destination at the end of the path. We are talking about salvation from hell. The destination at the end is where we meet the goal for being saved from hell. A better analogy would be like traveling across country to go to Grandma's house for Christmas. We may stop at various places along the way, see other vistas and be happy in legs of the journey but we do not meet the purpose of the journey itself until we get to Grandma's. And so it is with the ladder Jacob saw in his dream, it's the destination at the top that is the goal- the entire purpose. Salvation isn't given to those who wander off the path and get lost, it's only those who make it to the end goal or destination.

It's a location. But, the location also has requirements for the state of being one is in.

It's far above the binary, far above the confusion and misunderstandings of the world. I was hoping for you to understand the concept of "climbing" to reach a destination, "one step upon another".

It adds, maybe not for you but for someone. Take no offense, it's something that should cause us to contemplate about our words, especially us who are baptized- we speak with the tongue of angels.

I don't think you grasp what those prophets were saying about the ladder. All the best to you though. Have a good day.

There's power in words. Why do you think that? It's because they carry light- actual light. This is the power that causes belief, causes change, etc. It's not just audible frequency, it carries with it specified intelligent information in the form of light sequence.

I don't think you understand. Let me quote again- He beheld angels ascending and descending thereon, and Jacob realized that the covenants he made with the Lord there were the rungs on the ladder that he himself would have to climb in order to obtain the promised blessings--blessings that would entitle him to enter heaven and associate with the Lord. " (Marion G. Romney) “Paul ascended into the third heaven, and he could understand the three principal rounds of Jacob's ladder-the telestial, the terrestrial, and the celestial glories or kingdoms, where Paul saw and heard things which were not lawful for him to utter." (Joseph Smith) "When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the gospel--you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave." The rungs of the ladder isn't the destination but rather a means to get to the destination. No one climbs a ladder halfway. If one climbs a ladder he reaches the top and each rung is for the purpose of getting him to the next.

The path shows, as from my quoted statements, that the way to heaven is about ascending through the kingdoms from lowest upward until one gets to the top.