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  1. 1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    It seems like you're shifting goalposts from people being persecuted for not being LGBTQ-tolerant to people being persecuted for being non-Christian.

    If you're referring to what has been said on this thread, I'd ask you to clarify which goalposts you're referring to.  But if you're talking about the over societal discussion, can you give a bit more background so we can catch up to the discussion?

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    You're going to have a hard time convincing me that less than 15% of the US population is an existential threat to ~70% of the US population.

    Who said that?  I never said that.  You came up with that all by yourself.

    Look at the math based on the segments of population that I referred to.  And you'll see that it is a lot more than 15% of the population that "threatens" the population.  But I NEVER implied an existential threat as such.  You're reading a lot into my words.  I don't appreciate that.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    I feel like some conservative Christians feel threatened by the fact other lifestyles and worldviews, lifestyles you don't approve of, are gaining traction in our society.

    Now you're shifting to make it all about prejudice and discrimination.  You know that isn't what this is about.  But you're falling in line with a leftist talking point.  

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    The fact that minority demographics are getting more visibility in our culture doesn't mean that Christian traditionalists are being erased. 

    Never said that.  Straw man.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    What *is* at risk is the overall relevance of religion in modern Western culture.

    Relevance?  That may be a poor choice in words (but that could be a matter of opinion).  No, I believe that what is at risk is more about the rights of Christians vs the rights of those opposed to traditional values.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    The Catholic and Baptist churches, in particular, have been plagued by poorly-handled sexual assault and child molestation allegations, yet they blame the LGBTQ community for their empty pews.

    I'll give you the point that various sects of Christianity could have done better with these events.  While I have no excuse, all I can say is that I only have personal knowledge of a few families who were close to me.  And of those, the way things were handled were not perfect.  But they really did end up producing better results than many other cases that I've heard about on the news.

    So, sometimes, what we see as "totally messed up" was really making the best out of a crappy situation.  There was no "perfect" solution.  It was the best that could be done at the time, all things considered.

    As far as the empty pews...  We see them in our own ward.  And yes, virtually all of them are about LGBTQ folks leaving.  None of them were abused or shunned by members of our ward.  We never treated them poorly.  We never said anything other than the standard Church policy which is extremely tolerant.  Apart from CHANGING our DOCTRINE to accept homosexual behavior (and similar changes) I don't know what you'd expect us to do.  Realistically,  What would you expect us to do?

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    A lot of Christian pastors (and some LDS members) spew anti-LGBTQ hate

    None of that came from LDS Church Heirarchy.   And I never heard it from anyone in my ward or neighboring stakes that I've visited.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    based on nothing other than contempt based on dogma, and there's no place in today's society for that.

    And it is not dogma.  It is real world, physical, tangible results.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    A lot of you pay lip service to "live and let live", but what you really mean is "I live how I choose and you live in the shadows if your lifestyle offends me".

    Factual inaccuracies.

    Have you ever heard Riley Gaines testimony about what happened to her...what it was like seeing a biological mail in the locker rooms watching her dress and undress?  He never physically transitioned.  And he was clearly excited to see these girls naked.  But when girls spoke up, they were expelled for intolerance.

    If this is your definition of intolerance, I 100% agree.  But we are destroying women and women's sports.

    Have you heard how an entire mob was forcing her speech at San Francisco University to be halted?  Police were there.  But they were scared of the mob because of the size.  They flat out said that she was not going to go home alive unless she paid them all money.  That is the legal definition of kidnapping and holding for ransom.

    Is that your definition of tolerance?  She was there to have an open dialogue with people of differing opinions.  And they threatened her life.

    The University heads responded to the crowd by saying how "brave" they were for standing up for their rights and letting their voices be heard.  Yes, a mob of thousands against one college girl.  That's really brave.

    For the most part it has nothing to do with consenting adults being properly informed by medical professionals making an informed decision.  It is about them forcing their ideologies on us.

    I for one, don't care what they do with their lives any more than I care about anyone making a stupid decision.  I think it's stupid.  And I know they'd be better of if they didn't do that.  But in the end, it is their choice.  But it never ends there.  Why on earth are they insistent on compelling our speech?  Why do we HAVE to use their pronouns?  Why do I have to allow a biological male to change in the same locker rooms as my daughter?

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    Remember all the fuss when the live-action Beauty of the Beast came out and one of the minor characters was *gasp* GAY???

    Yup. That was overblown. It was hype.  When most Christians actually SAW the film, most realized, "oh, that was a lot of fuss over nothing."

    At least we saw the film and made a final judgment on actually seeing it.  How many times have we heard liberal newscasters make claims about conservative books and films without ever having seen them or read them?  A whole lot more times.

    Recently, JK Rowling was again accused of bigotry.  And the accuser said that her book was CLEARLY bigoted, and everyone should stay away from it at all costs.  Rowling was surprised by this because the book wasn't even published.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    Pretending LGBTQ people don't exist to the point of getting upset any time they appear in your sightline isn't "live and let live".

    Now you're just making stuff up.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    It's a phobia.

    If we're afraid of anything, it is the mobs enforcing their ideology on us with force of law or force of numbers, not the fact that they have an ideology that is different than ours.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    Queer people don't want to eradicate cis people  they just want to peacefully and respectfully coexist with us.

    Try telling Riley Gaines that.

    Also Ben Shapiro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bB0Tpotg_I

    .. In another video I saw showed a man who still had a full beard and was full of muscles who stood a full foot taller than this tiny woman who was holding her ground.   He was yelling and screaming at her because she refused to use his pronouns. 

    Is this freedom of speech?  No it is COMPELLED speech.

    1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

    And yes, that means you need to respect your LGBTQ co-worker's pronouns if you want any chance of them respecting your religious beliefs and practices. It's a two-way street.

    Of course.  And I have yet to see anyone in my personal life who has treated LGBTQ co-workers with anything less than common respect.  And all the LGBTQ people in my personal life have done the same -- at work.  At church, that is a different story.

  2. 8 hours ago, Vort said:

    I do not believe this is primarily about things being too expensive. I think it's mostly about people's expectations being outlandish.

    When I hear the argument that the cost of living is too high, they bring up the struggling single mom who can barely make ends meet.  These pleadings for sympathy are usually made by the dual income family with one child who was raised by the school system who live in an upper middle class gated community and drive two brand new Mercedes.

    Yeah, I can see how much they're struggling.

    I'd like to see people put their money where their mouth is. Here are some numbers to consider from my own life:

    • As a student, I made $15k/yr and lived on about $3k/yr after school expenses (the school average was $8k after school expenses).  Median household income at the time: $35k
    • My first job after graduation (married) I made $31k (gross).   Lived on $25k (this meant we weren't saving much at all).  Median $36k.
    • We had our first child.  I made $40k.  Just got our first house with a huge (for me) mortgage.  Median $42k.  We struggled mainly because of the mortgage.  I really shouldn't have bought a house at that price range.  I just wanted the "shiny thing."  But we made sacrifices and we managed.  Again, we didn't really have savings to speak of.
    • When we had our last child (7 total children) I made $75k.  Median $52k.  And we lived very well and were able to put a lot into savings.
    • Ever since then, I've made considerably over the household median income.  And until the last 5 years or so we've only spent about the median income or less, even though we have 7 children to take care of.  The last 5 years or so, we've finally felt comfortable spending what would be reasonable with our income (even though it was a lot more than we ever spent in the past) .
    • Through it all, we were always full tithe payers.  And we made it work.

    People struggle at the beginning because you're supposed to struggle at the beginning.  You're supposed to learn that money doesn't grow on trees.  You're supposed to learn what you can do without.  You need to learn to live within your means.  The modern generation never learned these principles.

    They remain poor because they want all the shiny things.  We've only bought one new car in our entire lives.  All the others were used cars. We don't mind at all.  But we see people with average income levels buying shiny new cars because they think they can make the monthly payments.  They can't.  They could very easily buy a decent used car that only requires slightly more maintenance.  They could buy four or five of them for the price of a new car. 

    They buy houses or apartments they can't afford.  Then they spend money on restaurants, fancy clothes, subscription services without looking at the price tag, and a bevy of other 1st world luxuries that they don't even need. 

    If you look at the average "poor" person, you'll find that they have:

    • At least one NEW car that was bought with a loan.
    • An expensive cell phone (probably an iPhone) for each person in the house - including kids too young to read or count.
    • Both home internet that is the fastest available, while at the same time they have a cell phone plan with unlimited 5G connectivity.
    • An Amazon Prime account.
    • Several streaming (both video and music) services in addition to Amazon.
    • Restaurant food every week and sometimes every day.

    Folks that is living like kings.  If you can't afford it, stop spending money on it.  Act your wage (thank you, Dave Ramsey).

    My kids make $20k/yr for simple food service jobs. And they are ready to get a modest apartment with a friend.  And they are only moving to a particular area because it is centrally located to a bunch of job opportunities.

    So, forgive me, but I have a hard time believing people making the median household income crying about how they can't make ends meet.

    If I'm wrong, show me the person or family who is struggling that doesn't do these things.  I'll help them.  I AM helping one person today.  And that young lady does (or has done) all these things on the bullet list above.  We've tried to train her how to be more frugal.  She's finally taken some of those lessons.  But old habits die hard.

  3. 14 minutes ago, zil2 said:

    It is said that it's not actually the taste of food that one dislikes, but the texture, and therefore it's very important to expose young children to a variety of textures or they will grow up unable to tolerate foods of said textures.  (This is the case with me and fruit - there are some that I like, but more than 2-3 bites and I start to feel nauseated.)

    I actually have a problem with flavors and scents.  I don't have much of a problem with any textures I can think of.

    COVID only seemed to change how I tasted Kim Chee.  I stopped liking it for about 6 months.  About a month after I was over it, I went to a local steakhouse and found that they had an appetizer "Korean BBQ skewers."  I thought it would be pulkogi.  But it was more like satay with Korean seasoning.  When I bit into it, it was like some weird flavor I've never experienced.  Not a smell, a flavor.  It was definitely on my tongue, not my nose.  It was sort of like a sour flavor but it was weird.  I asked about the ingredients.  He brought out the seasoning stuff.  It was the proper seasoning.

    A couple months later we went to the same place.  And we ordered it again.  It tasted like it was supposed to taste.  It was then that I realized that my taste buds took several months to return to normal.  I could eat kim chee again!!!  ...  Oh!  Shut up!  Yes, I consider that normal. :P Stop looking at me like that.

  4. 2 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

    Oh, she's still out there on her podcast saying stuff.  She's down with well-vetted private school and charter schools.  I don't think she's been particularly vocal about homeschooling, but as far as I know she thinks it's certainly a desirable option.

    I was referring to the idea of "It's ok to work during school hours because the kids are in school during those hours."

  5. 19 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

    Time to go watch Children of Men again, for a refresher course of what we'll be approaching. 

    If you're talking about the demographic changes in population, this may be a good comparison.

    But what is happening today is not some "unknown cause" which they had no control over.  It is a conscious effort by many parties to decrease the population of the earth.  And that is where we recognize that this is some sinister work afoot.

  6. On 5/19/2024 at 10:56 AM, Anddenex said:

    Saul lost the kingdom, and as a result his son's paid the price also, because he sacrificed rather than obeyed.

    This is a more insightful comparison than you might realize.

    The Samuel principle is what is driving this.  The Lord made it clear what the "ideal model" of the family should look like.  Yes, there are exceptions that we all acknowledge.  Sometimes things are out of our control.  But where we can obey, we need to obey.

    But instead of being sorry that we HAD to move away from the standard that the Lord has set, too many are trying to find excuses/loopholes to justify deviation from the ideal.  Just as the Israelites demanded to abandon the system that the Lord set up, they wanted to be like other nations.  And that led to the destruction of the nation.

    When the Lord said that there is no more honored role than that of mother, He meant it.  Just as Israel split and was eventually destroyed, it will only be a matter of a few generations (if left unhindered) before the US falls to a similar fate.  

    The Lord allowed for Saul to be anointed as King.  He warned it was a bad idea.  And He instituted some stop-gap measures that may minimize the damage.  That in no way meant that He was endorsing it.

    Similarly, enough Saints are now asking for a king... err... working mothers.  Well, He gave them one.  Pres. Johnson. 

    Can most women do the same?  Absolutely not!  Do some women have the ability to do such "juggling"? Of course.  But just as it was not a good idea to have kings, it is not a good idea to think that working mothers is the ideal to aspire to. 

    There was a reason Mosiah wanted to change to a system of judges.  He reminded people of King Noah and his goons.  That's not the way he wanted us to live.

    Your willingness to sacrifice will be seen by the Lord.  And you will be blessed for it.

    BTW: Saul did not "sacrifice" as we think of it.  He collected not the firstlings, but the fatlings.  Big difference.  He only used sacrifice as a pretext to eat that yummy meat from the enemy flocks & herds.

    YOU have sacrificed.

  7. On 5/18/2024 at 10:08 PM, Anddenex said:

    Thanks for your additional positive thought JAG. This hits a little harder for me due to choices my wife and I made while we were newly weds to obey. As a result, while going through school I was working a full-time swing and a part-time graveyard to keep my wife home as a primary nurturer and caregiver. This all while taking 12 -17 credits at BYU.

    This resulted in me also for a year working a full-time graveyard and full-time morning job due to difficulties that came upon us. This was all to obey and not to sacrifice.

    If I would have known this was simply "a choice" my life and mental state, anxiety, stress, etc... could have been so much better. This to me is more a kick in the jewels and then a knee to the face. Why did I make these decisions if it really doesn't matter? But it has to matter doesn't it.

    In saying that, I agree with your last paragraph. A hard decision will be when to have kids for our young members.

    Wow!  That sounds like my days in college as well.  But I hadn't gotten married until my final year.  And we didn't have our first child for another two years after leaving school. 

    My wife worked outside the home until a few months before delivery.  Ever since then she has been a SAHM.  Only a couple of years ago, she got a job at our children's school to be able to spend time with them during the day.

    As for your sacrifices, I hope you had the time to see my post about my wife's grandmother.  It may seem like everything is ok for a while.  But at some point, the chickens come home to roost.  The Lord knows the end from the beginning.  And while obeying will be very difficult at times, we'll eventually see the wisdom in it.

    I promise you that the sacrifices you made will bring you blessings that you would not have had if you had done things differently.

  8. 8 hours ago, Comp said:

    What exactly does this look like? Most working mothers end up relying heavily on others to help them with kids when their work must take priority . . . because that's how jobs work. In reality of day to day, the job comes first. So, I am curious what people mean by working and being mom, but mom takes priority. Is it like "quality time over quantity time"?

    The sad truth is that most of the time, it means being a career woman and neglecting the kids.

    For those few who are able to make it work while still prioritizing family, it is situationally dependent.  Too many variables to cite for all.  I can give you one example from personal friends.  But that would certainly not be representative of anyone other than the example I have in mind.

    One example that I've read about recently had a pair of sisters who worked opposing shifts so they could take care of each other's children in the off hours.

    Some mothers have children in school and work during school hours only.  So, they are letting the school system indoctrinate them with pop-culture ideology (often infecting them with the woke mind virus).

    Others have part-time jobs that may or may not be home-based.  And they have minimal impact on mom's time with the kids.  She's able to make it work.

    As for Pres. Johnson's case, she described it as a "juggle" that was challenging and often stressful.  But she was able to do it.  No details available.  No examples.  But from what little we know about her and her family, apparently, she was successful.

    I say "apparently" because (as per my example previously posted) sometimes the effects aren't visible for another generation or two.

  9. 48 minutes ago, Jamie123 said:

    do these kinds of differences appear in Finnish, and if so to what extent.

    I'll forward the question to him.  But I can tell you right now that the answer is yes. 

    I speak three languages and I am familiar with four others.  And they all have such characteristics.  I don't see how you can have a well-developed language that doesn't do that.  And since Finnish is so grammatically complex, I doubt it would be absent such characteristics.

    I'll get back to you when my nephew does.

  10. On 5/14/2024 at 10:59 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

    Just_A_Girl and I toured the Cailler chocolate factory in Switzerland last year.  Apparently, when evaluating hoity-toity chocolate, one of the criteria is supposed to be the sound it makes when it breaks.

    What sound is it supposed to make?

  11. In 20 years we will see a huge change in the political landscape because of transgender issues.  

    • People who don't so identify will have children who have been raised as trans.
    • People who disagreed, but thought it was harmless will realize that their children and/or grandchildren are trans and cannot reproduce.
    • Those who don't support it and consider it the mental disorder that it is will have many children and grandchildren who are sane enough to lead the world.
    • People who are fully LGBT active will have few children.  They will consider the children of conservative Christians as being abused for not being raised LGBT.  And they will want to pass laws that allow government to remove children from such homes and give them to LGBT households.

    But what do I know?

  12. Gaza aid piles up in Egypt, US pier delivery falters | Reuters

    US humanitarian aid has been sent to a temporary pier that was built by the US.  Those supplied haven't been able to make it to the Palestinians.  They've been stolen. 

    It is funny that no one identifies the thieves.  But the images show that the thieves are clearly not the Israelis.  Gee, I wonder who they are?

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    I also saw that MSF (Doctors without borders) are describing their efforts.  It is a struggle.  But for some reason, none of them are mentioning the fact that Hamas is shooting missiles, bombs, and bullets from those same hospitals.  Nope, it's just about Israel bombing them.

    Israelis have given warning so they can get the civilians out.  The doctors respond that it is not enough.  Meanwhile, the militants evacuate when vehicles are availble to move them, and they leave the doctors and patients to fend for themselves.

    One interesting thing I noticed in all the photos was that there appeared to be no non-native females among the MSF staff.  There were a few pictures where it was ambiguous or faces blurred.  But most of the staff were either natives, or they were male foreigners.  Gee, I wonder if western women would feel a little nervous around Hamas forces.  As well they should be.

  13. 22 minutes ago, Traveler said:

    As I understand, the resurrection and our judgement are one in the same in that we are resurrected to our glory that resulted from that judgement.

    Yes, we are resurrected to our final glory.  But I don't think that is what people are afraid of.  I'm only saying this from my own perspective.

    If it were me?  I would probably have a decent idea of where I'm going to end up.  I can hope that the Lord will be a little more merciful than I tend to think about myself. But I am probably in the ballpark.  Thus, I'm pretty prepared for it.  So, that isn't something that would make me afraid.

    What would make me afraid is having to stand before my Maker and recite to him all the things I have done.  I would have to recount all the opportunities I had to repent, but didn't.  I would admit that I had every advantage that so many others didn't have.  And I'd have to admit that my fate is what I know in my heart that I have chosen.  And it was all my fault for having chosen poorly.

    But once that is done, I think it would be only a matter of time that I become resigned to my fate and just get used to it.  But that moment of judgment...  I know I would probably shrink from my Maker.

  14. 27 minutes ago, Jersey Boy said:

    In the following verse, Alma the Younger explains why some fear the resurrection; the reason being that the sons of perdition would rather hide away forever from the presence of them Lord, in regions of spiritual darkness, rather than undergo resurrection and have to behold God’s holy face at the final judgement in heaven while they remain in their filthiness.

    31 Yea, ever knee shall bow, and every tongue confess before him. Yea, even at the last day, when all men shall stand to be judged of him, then shall they confess that he is God; then shall they confess, who live without God in the world, that the judgment of an everlasting punishment is just upon them; and they shall quake, and tremble, and shrink beneath the glance of his all-searching eye. (Mosiah 27)

    Well, that is a completely different perspective.  

    Instead of being afraid of the "state of being reunited with our bodies" this is talking about (for lack of a better word) the "ordinance" of resurrection which includes the pronouncement of the judgment of God.  So, it isn't "being resurrected" that they are afraid of.  It's what happens at the same time the event occurs.

  15. On 5/6/2024 at 3:59 PM, Ironhold said:

    So the question... what is everyone here doing, as of 2024, to prepare? 

    We have everything we need.  But we've never needed them through a laundry list of disasters.

    • Winter Storm of 2013
    • The Tax Day Flood 2016
    • Hurricane Harvey 2017
    • COVID 2020
    • The Great Texas Freeze 2021 -- well, ok, we broke out the big camp stove for this one.  But that was all.  Everything else was simple repairs that took a lot of effort.  But no emergency supplies besides the camp stove.
    • Snowmageddon 2022
    • "Non-stop" rain for months 2024

    We have a good home that has sheltered us well.  A couple of weeks ago, a part of our roof leaked.  We're still figuring out the best fix for it.  The damage was small enough to be below our deductible.  So, we have to do it ourselves instead of hiring someone.  And I'm lazy, so...

    We've got the emergency supplies if we need them.  But so far, we have not needed them.  We've had power out.  We used the wood burning stove that we use every year.

    We had two floods that affected us.  But it was basically just a huge inconvenience, not a disaster.  I feel sorry for people who don't have a house that is properly designed for flooding.

  16. 18 minutes ago, Vort said:

    A miracle is a perception of the hand of God in your life.

    President Monson (LDS apostle and Church president 2008-2018) told a story of himself as a twelve-year-old boy during the Great Depression, having earned five dollars but leaving the bill in his pants pocket when it was sent out to be washed. He prayed that the money would not be lost, and miraculously (at least to him), it was not. Predictably, many mocked President Monson's God of the Five-Dollar Bill. But they should not have. God is present in the great things and in the small, as well. Why would God not act in the life of a twelve-year-old in a small but meaningful (to the 12-year-old) way to instill faith in God and confidence in prayer?

    It's easy and sometimes seductive to be cynical, so I don't blame you for having that reaction. But cynicism is a cancer that corrodes the soul and blinds us to the very real things that happen, both great and small, that reveal the hand of God to us.

    That is like $100 today just based on CPI alone.  But based on income levels, it is like $200-$300 today.  For a 12 yo???  That's a lot of money.  How on earth did he make that much as a 12 yo?  How long did he work for that.

    The most hypocritical thing here is that they mock the successful, affluent, adult for relating that story.  But they ignore the significance of the poor 12 yo boy who had to work his tail off on a farm for that much money.

  17. 12 minutes ago, zil2 said:

    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

    Well, let's see...

    25 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

    And if they should ever offend us or hurt us, that it such a grave sin that they must be cancelled ... er... uhm excommunicated...

    10 minutes ago, zil2 said:

    (I also believe he didn't get my joke in all its subtle glory. :( )

  18. 30 minutes ago, Traveler said:

    I find it quite interesting that a theory gaining traction is that the universe itself is kind of a living thing with intelligence. 

    Kinda Jibes with John 1:1

    30 minutes ago, Traveler said:

    And the excuse is that we should not hurt the feelings of those being the most confused.

    It is rather interesting to me what we are willing to sacrifice on the alters of the g-ds we worship.

    As an example: If we are expecting people to abandon all their beliefs and change their method of speech and behavior to ensure that they do not offend us.  Command others in what to think, what to say, what to do, what to sacrifice... we're setting ourselves up as gods.  And if they should ever offend us or hurt us, that it such a grave sin that we must be cancelled ... er... uhm excommunicated...

    That is an interesting take.  But where on earth do we see such behavior?  I can't think of anything like that... 

  19. On 5/11/2024 at 11:39 AM, Jamie123 said:

    Forgive my frightful cynicism, but considering that six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis, why is it such an amazing miracle that 85 Americans weren't?

    I have an explanation.  I don't know if you will like it.  I thnk it will tend to offend quite a few people.  And I don't know if it is even true.  But it seems to answer the question for me.

    An aphorism of the LDS culture is "There is no more important work that a man can do than within the walls of his own home."  Another is "No success in the world can compensate for failure in the home."

    @NeuroTypical showed that starfish story in his post with the explanation: Stop worrying about things outside of your control.

    I've spent a lot of my life trying to help people with big things and little things.  It seemed that no matter how hard I tried, I was actually prevented from even doing anything.  To be clear, it wasn't that I was ineffective or didn't know how to render aid in a proper manner.  I simply was not able to begin, much less complete so many opportunities to serve which I was willing and able to perform. 

    I recognize that the place where I make the most difference is with my own family.  And those in my family can have a great influence on so many more people that I will never meet.

    Not a perfect analogy, I understand.  My point is that we have the greatest ability to help those who are within our direct influence.  It is very difficult to help those who are not under such influence.

    There are many good people in the world of all faiths and backgrounds.  But God has made covenants with the Latter-day Saints.  He has the greatest influence over us because of those covenants.  So, He will perform miracles in certain ways that are much more prevalent (per capita) among LDS than other peoples.

  20. On 5/11/2024 at 10:11 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

    In one respect it isn’t.  The Americans would likely have made their way to a consulate eventually and found a way out, after a great deal more inconvenience and possibly suffering than they otherwise endured.

    They couldn't.  The embassy/consulate refused to help them with so many people in such a short time.  And Germany closed the borders before they could accomplish such a goal through proper channels.

    On 5/11/2024 at 10:11 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

    On the other hand, I have a book about the evacuation of the German mission (this one); and those involved recalled some truly remarkable things happening around this time that they could only consider “miraculous”.

    That was the book that the movie was based on.  The photos at the closing credits indicated that the main elder (Siebold?) didn't know how to whistle.  He'd never whistled in his life.  But the Spirit told him to whistle LDS hymns as a signal.  And missionaries came to him.

    Hitler's plans were to begin his invasion in 3 days.  But he kept on coming up against roadblocks that delayed his invasion.  After the last missionary was out, Hitler was able to begin his invasion the next day.

    After the last missionary was out of the country, Elder Siebold tried whistling again.  He couldn't.  He knew that his mission was done.  So, he got himself out (another miracle).  He was never able to whistle again.

    On 5/11/2024 at 10:11 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

     Why God would have intervened on such a micro scale to help some relatively privileged people, while allowing enormous catastrophes to play out in the lives of thousands of others, naturally brings us back to larger problems of theodicy and the divine plan.

    Hence: Mine Angels 'Round About.

    I don't know either.  But I know I've been on the receiving end of such divine protection.  They were miracles which defy the laws of physics as I know them.

    And the only thing I can fathom is that I needed to grow up and marry my wife and raise 7 of the most amazing children who are of the great and noble spirits "Saved for Saturday."  The world must be peopled.  And the Lord wants good homes for his choicest spirits.  I feel blessed that he chose to protect one as clumsy as I am as to need His protection on that level.  But He has protected me.

    On 5/11/2024 at 10:11 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

    (I was going to ask here if it wasn’t a Britisher who coined the aphorism about God for some reason taking especial care of fools, drunks, and Americans; but come to think of it, wasn’t it Bismarck who came up with that one?)

    People attribute it to Bismark.  But who knows?

    I prefer Cmdr Will Riker's version: Luck!  I protect fools, children, and ships called Enterprise.