Palerider Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam | KUSI - News, Weather and Sports - San Diego, CA | Coleman's Corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I found this to be an interesting article...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hey lets spend several billion in stimulus to send new stuff up in space and see if we are right or not. Ben Raines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 They can stimulate me (economically) if they want :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Pah. Both sides of the global warming argument are so full of pseudoscientific political garbage that I've given up any efforts at understanding it (the farthest I've gotten is that there are natural climate cycles, but we're making them worse at both ends). I say if we really care about the environment, we should focus on the simple and effective things. What happened to turning off the lights, taking shorter showers, and turning the heat down a degree or two? These are simple things anybody can do that don't cost a dime. Now we're obsessed with carbon credits, energy star appliances (which, according to a contractor I know, amounts to charging more for an appliance with a cheaper/weaker motor), and unplugging our cellphone chargers. /rant Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) The real cause of global warming......:lol: Edited January 30, 2009 by bytor2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolee65 Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I dont believe in global warming, I do believe we are harming ourselfes with chemicals that we use in manufacturing, causing health issues more then making the earth sick its us we're destroying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Al Gore knows it all......:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dorsey Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I absolutely believe in global warming! Those unexpected blizzards we've experienced reciently are much warmer than usual! Really....they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 As a holder of the priesthood, I need my summer weather in January and February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 My point – cars that burn fossil fuels do not emit greenhouse gasses; carbon monoxide is not a greenhouse gas. Anyone that believes global warming is manmade that cannot explain the reaction in nature whereby carbon monoxide becomes carbon dioxide (including if the reaction is endothermic or exothermic) is part of a great deception that begins with what they do to themselves in order that they can passionately contribute to and justify their own deception.The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabelpa Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) What the heck, I'm just going to re-post.5.1 Exhaust composition and exposure dataInternal combustion engines have been used in cars, trucks, locomotives and other motorized machinery for about 100 years. Engine exhausts contain thousands of gaseous and particulate substances. The major gaseous products of both diesel- and gasoline-fuelled engines are carbon dioxide and water, but lower percentages of carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides as well as low molecular weight hydrocarbons and their derivatives are also formed. Submicron-size particles are present in the exhaust emissions of internal combustion engines. The particles present in diesel engine exhaust are composed mainly of elemental carbon, adsorbed organic material and traces of metallic compounds. The particles emitted from gasoline engines are composed primarily of metallic compounds (especially lead, if present in the fuel), elemental carbon and adsorbed organic material. Soluble organic fractions of the particles contain primarily polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, heterocyclic compounds, phenols, nitroarenes and other oxygen- and nitrogen-containing derivatives.The composition and quantity of the emissions from an engine depend mainly on the type and condition of the engine, fuel composition and additives, operating conditions and emission control devices. Particles emitted from engines operating with gasoline are different from diesel engine exhaust particles in terms of their size distribution and surface properties. Emissions of organic compounds from gasoline (leaded and unleaded) and diesel engines are qualitatively similar, but there are quantitative differences: diesel engines produce two to 40 times more particulate emissions and 20-30 times more nitroarenes than gasoline engines with a catalytic converter in the exhaust system when the engines have similar power output. Gasoline engines without catalytic converters and diesel engines of similar power output produce similar quantities of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons per kilometre; catalytic converters of the type used with gasoline vehicles reduce emissions of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons by more than ten times. Lead and halogenated compounds are also typically found in emissions from engines using leaded gasoline.source: Diesel and Gasoline Engine Exhausts (IARC Summary & Evaluation, Volume 46, 1989)definition of adsorbed from Wikipedia : ''Adsorption''' is a process that occurs when a gas or liquid [[solute]] accumulates on the surface of a solid or a liquid (adsorbent), forming a film of molecules or atoms (the adsorbate). It is different from absorption, in which a substance diffuses into a liquid or solid to form a solution. The term sorption encompasses both processes, while desorption is the reverse process.Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Water vapour is a greenhouse gas, and those are the two primary components of exhaust. Water vapour staus in the atmosphere for about 9 days, Carbon Dioxide, a lot longer. For a good read, see Wapedia - Wiki: Greenhouse gas - mobile version of Wikipedia, good when wikipedia is slow. Of greatest importance to this discussion is section 3. Anthropogenic greenhouse gasesCarbon Monoxide is NOT the only thing that comes out the tailpipe of a car. If you think it is, you need to take a look at the complex hydrocarbon chains and other chemicals that make up petroleum and diesel, as well as the composition of the air we breathe.Where is the source that states that CO turns into CO2? Peer review? I may have missed it. There is a lot of money on both sides of the Global Warming (Climate change is a better term) debate. There is misinformation on both sides. No matter what way you cut it, we are taking out billions of barrels worth of oil every year that contain chemicals that haven't been in the ecosystem for millions of years. We don't know how that will affect our climate. There is no independent research into it, all is funded by one side or another.AllI know, is that smog really sucks and aint good for us. Edited February 3, 2009 by gabelpa picking out points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Here is even more information about this amazing story on what is up with our climate:Scholars and Rogues Founder of the Weather Channel discredits himself on global heating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightynancy Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I don't know or care if global warming is real or not. We, as a species, are terrible stewards of the earth we've been given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthiechan Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Yes, we are terrible stewards of the earth. We multiply but forget to replenish.REPLENISH1 a: to fill with persons or animals : stock barchaic : to supply fully : perfect c: to fill with inspiration or power : nourish2 a: to fill or build up again <replenished his glass> b: to make good : replaceGlobal warming refers to temperature increases in the troposphere which can cause climate change.Global climate change refers to ANY changes, aspects, of the earth's climate from temperature, precipitation and storm intensity and patterns. Okay, here are seven reasons why there is a 90-99% probability that the troposphere, the lowest densest part of the earth's atmosphere in which most weather changes occur - aka the stuff we breathe, is getting warmer.1: The 20th century was the hottest century in the last 1000 years. 2: Since 1861 the average global temperature of the troposphere near the earth's surface has risen 1.1 degrees Fahrenheit over the entire globe, and 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit over the continents. Most of this increase has taken place since 1980.Please note the bolded word average. I hope we all know what that means. . . 3: The ten warmest years since 1861 have occurred since 1990. 4: Over the past fifty years Arctic tempratures have risen almost twice as fast as those in the rest of the world.5: Glaciers and floating sea ice in some parts of the world are melting and shrinking at increasing rates. 6: Warmer temperatures in Alaska and in other parts of the Arctic are melting permafrost, releasing more CO2 and CH4 into the troposphere, which may accelerate tropospheric warming.7: During the last century the world's average sea level rose by4-8 inches, mostly because of the runoff from melting land-based ice and the expansion of ocean water as its temperature increases.Source: Sustaining the Earth, 8th Ed, G. Tyler Miller, Jr. Pgs. 267-268Something I would also like to point out. What happens when you take a piece of ice and put it in your cup of room temperature water? The ice melts. Why? Because of the temperature increase. However, what happens to the surrounding area, the water? It cools. Then what happens if you set it down and leave it there for a few hours? It's warm again.So, just because we're having some serious cold fronts acomin' does not mean that global warming is a sham. It means that all the cold things are melting, thusly cooling off the surrounding area for a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't know or care if global warming is real or not. We, as a species, are terrible stewards of the earth we've been given. I don't mind trying to take care of the earth.....I just don't want knuckleheads like Al Gore and Ted Danson and a host of others....running around telling me how I have 7yrs to live or we will burn up...etc....Lets just take care of what we got.....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Where is the source that states that CO turns into CO2? Peer review? I may have missed it.If I remember correctly, CO can turn into CO2 by this reaction:2CO + O2 --> 2CO2This reaction, however, proceeds quite slowly, however it can be sped up using a catalyst such as palladium (this is how catalytic converters work). As for whether it's exothermic or endothermic... based on how I picture the bonds rearranging I think it's exothermic, but I'd have to find my enthalpy tables again to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightynancy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 What a fantastically geeky reply, LittleWyvern! And I totally mean that in a good way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) What a fantastically geeky reply, LittleWyvern! And I totally mean that in a good way!It's the second time I've done that today...EDIT: about the above reaction, it's a spontaneous reaction so I guess it would have to be exothermic because of entropy laws.EDIT2: ohdangsomebodymakemestop Edited February 4, 2009 by LittleWyvern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightynancy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Be still my heart! I heart geeks! Edit: Don't take that wrong...I could be your mama! Edited February 4, 2009 by mightynancy Clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't mind trying to take care of the earth.....I just don't want knuckleheads like Al Gore and Ted Danson and a host of others....running around telling me how I have 7yrs to live or we will burn up...etc....Lets just take care of what we got.....:)Some people need attention.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Going against the grain here, the earth needs to warn in order to prepare itself for the terrestrial state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 yes.....and we know 2012 is the end.......right on schedule..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I was surprised that no one mentioned two interesting facts about the whole manmade global warming thing. 1) In the last 10 years, global temperatures have leveled off and actually decreased somewhat. If it was manmade, then temperatures would have continued to increase. 2) Much of the rise in global temperatures occurred alongside a rise in solar activity. Now for a no duh statement. Scientific evidence seems to agree that higher temperatures accompany high solar activity and lower temperatures accompany lower solar activity. Not a year to year scale, but reduction in solar for longer periods of time can affect temperatures. 3) Let's toss in a third one. We are in period extremely low solar activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 These are simple things anybody can do that don't cost a dime. Now we're obsessed with carbon credits, energy star appliances (which, according to a contractor I know, amounts to charging more for an appliance with a cheaper/weaker motor), and unplugging our cellphone chargers.Holy crap, I'm supposed to unplug that thing??? I'm kinda on the fence in regard to global warming. Real or not though, it's definitely brought attention to the state of our planet. There's more that we can be doing both to preserve natural ecosystems and reduce pollution.And finally, now that we've addressed the environmental issues of our time, we need to address the very real issue of stopping manbearpig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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