Sins with Wife

[Hemidakota]

I agree...it comes to bedroom and that is displaying ones true character. We need to pleasant and loving beings when outside the bedroom as well behind closed doors.

[Dr T]

What if it is on both sides?

[Hemidakota]

Having a consensus with a bedroom perversion will only drive out the Spirit of the home. Still forgiven but the Spirit will depart.

Remember, it started with a thought from a source, festered for a time, and then is acted out behind closed doors.

[sensibility]

As for Pam's comment, I think it's just the snappy, matter-of-fact way she phrased it. Humor's in the delivery, after all.

As for the original post, the best measure I've ever heard is that if the Spirit leaves when you do something, you should stop. I don't think anybody but the couple themselves has the stewardship to decide what is acceptable in their marriage bed, and I don't think it's the same for every couple. The Spirit certainly doesn't stop at the door unless you're doing something you shouldn't, but the stewardship of Church leaders does.

[ninjormon]

I don't know what I can say or not say on here or what the trigger words are but I will try, of course there are personal opinions and questions.

God once killed a man for spilling his seed so basically that is out of the question right? But isn't sex when a woman is pregnant kinda the same thing since it's almost impossible for her to get pregnant again?

And what about activities that spill seed as foreplay between a man and wife that dont actually spill seed?

Other people and animals are out of the question but what about food?

[john doe]

This discussion is good, but let's try not to get too 'explicit' or I will move it to the Open Forum.

[georgia2]

to much detail!

[Dr T]

It is not just Onan (sp?) of "Spilled seed" but the point the he purposely did not do his duty to pass on his lineage

[hordak]

T President Spencer W. Kimball stated:

The union of the sexes, husband and wife (and only husband and wife), was for the principal purpose of bringing children into the world. Sexual experiences were never intended by the Lord to be a mere plaything or merely to satisfy passions and lusts. .

If the principle purpose for sex is procreation it is a pretty inefficient system compared to all the other systems we have.

Every breath and heart beat bring oxygen to the organs of the body. Every piece of food we eat refuels us. Yet the desire to mate is a mostly constant urge that is only effective for procreation roughly 48 days a year.

I do agree with the comment that it isn't just to satisfy passion and lust but I think given Gods track record he could have came up with a much more efficient system for having kids if it was the primary purpose.

[ruthiechan]

This discussion is good, but let's try not to get too 'explicit' or I will move it to the Open Forum.

Which, oddly enough, I still don't seem to have access to. Heather said I should have access to it.

Ninjormon, it is my opinion that foreplay that causes one to spill their seed is not an issue. Seed is plentiful.

I see no issue with food either.

[jay720]

I asked this question once to my Stake President and his response (somewhat tongue in cheek, which I think is also allowed) was "anything that doesn't spook the cattle"

[Tarnished]

Truthfully I don't think that sex should only be used for procreation. If that were the case my husband and I would have to stop it all together as chemotherapy took all his bullets away. I think the act is a way of bringing a couple together. As far as things we do in the bedroom we rely on the spirit. If we don't feel comfortable about what we are doing we do not do it again. Trying out new things can add spice to the marriage but it shouldn't be at the loss of the spirit. I think that is the best way to base what goes on in the bedroom.

[Islander]

I asked this question once to my Stake President and his response (somewhat tongue in cheek, which I think is also allowed) was "anything that doesn't spook the cattle"

HAHAHAHAHA

Where is the laugh button when you need it?

[john doe]

Which, oddly enough, I still don't seem to have access to. Heather said I should have access to it.

Ninjormon, it is my opinion that foreplay that causes one to spill their seed is not an issue. Seed is plentiful.

I see no issue with food either.

I just went in and enabled it for you. You should be good to go. If there are more problems, please let me know.

[anonymousaddict26]

Wow, I didn't expect some many replies, and after reviewing it, I came to the conclusion that if both consenting spouse agree to it, there is nothing wrong as long as they don't disrespect another.

I believe that being in love requires a bit of lust for the other person. Especially when young couples get married. This is where I find mine self. Wife and I are both under 30 and just starting our new lives, and we don't want to get bored, so we are willing to have an open mind, but we also want to keep our house a heavenly home.

When we got married, we were just told that to respect each other. I think if the church had a stance they would of told us, like everything else teach us. We have a word of wisdom, law of tithe, how to raise our kids, how to spend our time with family and work, but never really mentioned on how to behave behind closed doors.

So, to my conclusion, as long as with no animal, or others partners (swingers) it for the spouse to decide. I believe that sexual relations is very important because it brings the couples closer. My dad also told me, if you are not making love to your spouse, then you are sinning.

Its all about being able to have fun in this life but with moderation. Also, each generation has its own values. Things that might seem normal to me, doesn't seem normal to my parents, and so forth.

[captainmoroni1265]

I asked this question once to my Stake President and his response (somewhat tongue in cheek, which I think is also allowed) was "anything that doesn't spook the cattle"

Please, Please forgive me everyone, but I just can't help myself ==>

LAUGH BUTTON!

[prisonchaplain]

I don't see what was so funny about that.

I laughed...I confess...guess because those clear red flags you mentioned...I guess I always thought the prohibitions on those were a given.

[Gwen]

i just want to mention cause i didn't see it directly said yet.... maybe i missed it and i apologize if i did.... but porn in any form (video, pics, etc) is involving other ppl.

i guess if you are "making your own" it doesn't involve anyone else if it's deleted. make sure there is absolutely no chance anyone else, especially your children, will ever see it (if they do you have involved others).

[LolaBella]

My step Mother told me 'if you're into whips and chains, then you're in to whips and chains'

Basically whatever floats your boat

[Maxel]

I guess the general rule is staying away from everything that starts to turn the sexual experience from the sacred, special act God intended it to be into something overly carnal. I can think of things- too many things- that a married couple could do sexually that would bring them away from God.

[Just_A_Guy]

Indeed, Maxel. There's a reason Elder Holland (speaking before he became an apostle) deemed it a sacrament.