Remove "Faithful" from vows

[Churchmouse]

When current Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC) and his wife Jenny took their wedding vows he had the words "to be faithful" removed. Wouldn't that raise a red flag to most brides-to-be? She is getting a divorce after he was caught in an affair.

Tiger Wood and his wife are going to try to stay together.

Both men say they are sorry. I don't buy it. If you had an affair in the past, that was discovered and brought to light, and you said you were sorry it happened it may carry some weight, but when you are still involved I think the only sorrow you have is that you got caught.

One radio talk show host in Columbus, Ohio said "I can understand Tiger having a couple of flings. He's famous for (blank) sake. But not all of those."

I didn't realize being famous was a green light for adultery.

[Jamie123]

I don't know why everyone made such a fuss over Tiger Woods. OK he was very very naughty, but he's not the only person ever to have committed adultery.

As for fame being a "green light" for adultery, I should say the opposite. If I'd done the same thing, no one outside my family would give too hoots about it. It should be between him and his wife to sort things out.

[Churchmouse]

I think someone outside of your earthly family would give a hoot.

[Jamie123]

I think someone outside of your earthly family would give a hoot.

LOL - maybe one or two might give one hoot, but I doubt it'd be splashed over the front pages of the tabloids!

[Jamie123]

I think someone outside of your earthly family would give a hoot.

Maybe one hoot, but I doubt it'd be splashed over the front pages of the tabloids.

EXCLUSIVE! Some Obscure Bloke You've Never Heard Of Caught In Seedy Sex-Triangle!

It would never sell!

Edited February 6, 2010 by Jamie123

[KeithLBrown]

Though I would agree that whatever took place concerning the affair(s) that Tiger Woods had should be between him and his wife and not something for the world to discuss and give their opinions on openly, the fact still remains that he made vows to his wife when they were married. He not only violated those vows, but in turn he violated her trust in him to be a faithful and loyal husband. Not only did he betray her trust, but by his actions, he also violated the trust that his children have put in him as their father. It is a snowball effect.

It is admirable of him to want to make things right and for him and his wife to try and stay together. I applaud that. However, saying that one is sorry about something and truly being sorry are two entirely different things. If Tiger only says he is sorry to try and appease his wife, then his apology is nothing more than vanity.

Being famous never has, nor will it ever, give a person a poetic license to do as they please. Sin is still sin whether it is committed by a billionaire or by the poorest person who may live on the streets.

There has been a lot of criticism towards Tiger and his unfaithfulness, but may I interject a thought here. I was always taught that it takes two people to tango. What about the women that were involved in these affairs knowing full well that Tiger is a married man with children. Their behavior doesn't say a lot for their reputation or character either does it? My dear mother and grandmother would have names for women like them, none of which I dare repeat here. Another thing to think about is how innocent is Tiger's wife in all of this? How long had she known that these affairs were going on without saying or doing anything about it? My friends, remember, there are always two sides to every coin.

Edited February 6, 2010 by KeithLBrown

[Dravin]

Both men say they are sorry. .

I do, there are different forms of being sorry. One of them is being sorry for being caught. I don't know if that is the limit of their sorrow, but I'm sure at least that form applies.

Another thing to think about is how innocent is Tiger's wife in all of this? How long had she known that these affairs were going on without saying or doing anything about it?

I'm not sure a failure to confront is guilt. Though I suppose it depends on whether she knew or suspected, I didn't follow all of the hoopla (why would I care?). But plenty of women (or men for that matter) suspect but refuse to make the leap to believing simply because they don't want it to be true. People are often willing to believe a falsehood that is pleasant over a harsh truth regardless of evidence. If she did know then she had a responsibility to her children to do something (leave, confront him, or what have you) if nothing else, but even if she did know she wasn't the one violating her marital vows.

As far as the women who engage in affairs with men (or visa versa) they know to be married, I agree, it speaks volumes about their character, or lack there of.

Edited February 6, 2010 by Dravin

[Tarnished]

Being famous never has, nor will it ever, give a person a poetic license to do as they please. Sin is still sin whether it is committed by a billionaire or by the poorest person who may live on the streets.

There has been a lot of criticism towards Tiger and his unfaithfulness, but may I interject a thought here. I was always taught that it takes two people to tango. What about the women that were involved in these affairs knowing full well that Tiger is a married man with children. Their behavior doesn't say a lot for their reputation or character either does it? My dear mother and grandmother would have names for women like them, none of which I dare repeat here. Another thing to think about is how innocent is Tiger's wife in all of this? How long had she known that these affairs were going on without saying or doing anything about it? My friends, remember, there are always two sides to every coin.

I agree that being famous does not give a person the go ahead to do whatever they want. However, I do think being famous gives those people and others a feeling that the famous person will do whatever they want because they are famous. Sort of like how Europeans view Americans. When I went to Germany one of my friends wanted to ask one of the German boys out on a date, she asked the other German girls what the German culture was like regarding a girl asking a guy out. They said that in general women do not ask out men, but that she was American and so she could do really whatever she wanted because people would expect it of her. I think it is much the same with famous people. Some huge scandal comes out and people say, "Oh, they are famous, famous people do stuff like that." And I think the famous people come to expect that they can act like that.

As far as the women Tiger slept with, a good number were porn stars, their character was already called into question. Considering their occupation I don't think they would have had too much problem with sleeping with a married man.

As for his wife, I feel nothing but sorry for what she is going through.

Edited February 6, 2010 by Tarnished

[Bini]

I heard on the radio that one of the women has "wooed" other famous men. I can't remember who the men were but I believe George Clooney was one of them. But yes, you never know how "credible" these women are. I'm not saying they're all lying about having affairs with Tiger Woods but it definitely wouldn't be the first time women have cried wolf to boost their own agendas.

But I bet he's guilty on all accounts. It's a wild guess but a gut instinct too. My first husband was a pig. And an apologetic one at that.

[Churchmouse]

Such a thing should be between the person and their spouse, but when you live a life in the spotlight you are in a fishbowl and everything you do, good and bad, is news.

There are some poor souls out there that consider professional athlete's role models. What does something like this do to them? Most of these are young people.

I used to ask questions of my classes. Over the years the names change.

Example:

Who is Tiger Wood?

Who is Labron James?

Who is Paris Hilton?

Everyone knew these. Then the next question.

Who is Jonas Salk?

All I received was blank stares.

[LDSgirl]

Dr. Jonas Salk developed a safe polio vaccine!:)

[Snow]

Both men say they are sorry. I don't buy it.

Cool - someone who can peer into the hearts of others and judge them.

[pam]

Thanks Snow. That's kind of what I've been thinking for those that seem to know what these people are thinking and feeling.

[annamaureen]

When current Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC) and his wife Jenny took their wedding vows he had the words "to be faithful" removed. Wouldn't that raise a red flag to most brides-to-be?

That's what I thought. Wouldn't she have wondered why he didn't want to vow to be faithful? I know I'd have a problem with it.

[Guest]

Faithful should remain in the marriage vows. Obey, though... they can strike that out.

[InnerGold]

Both men say they are sorry. I don't buy it. If you had an affair in the past, that was discovered and brought to light, and you said you were sorry it happened it may carry some weight, but when you are still involved I think the only sorrow you have is that you got caught.

We have noticed that there are two forms of remorse:

Shame - one truly feels sorry for their action and glad to have it finally brought to light so that they can deal with their issue so another wards shame brings the desire to change (desire being the keyword) They actually want to change.

Guilt - no desire to change except that they were caught so they tell everyone, " I am sorry and am going to change." The question is where is their heart?

The future will tell!

[MeIRL]

Cool - someone who can peer into the hearts of others and judge them.

From what I have read of your posts, Snow, you would appear to be describing yourself.

[Melissa569]

I will stress like several others here that being famous does not give you license to abandon your morals. In fact, I take royalty’s approach on the matter (although some royals have strayed from this guideline):

Shameful behavior is never excusable, coming from anyone. But especially not from those who are well known around the world. When an average person looses their cool or does something low-class, only their closest friends and family members know about it. But when you are under the watchful eye of the media, and millions look up to you as an example, the whole planet will know your every move. Therefore, it is your duty to be a respectful leader at all times.

[Churchmouse]

Cool - someone who can peer into the hearts of others and judge them.

It's a gift.

[Snow]

From what I have read of your posts, Snow, you would appear to be describing yourself.

How delightful... you have devoted a full 20% of all your posts to criticizing me. Oh happy day.

Here's the deal. The poster has already decided that Tiger Woods, for example, is not actually sorry for his errors despite what he says. I'd wager, because it is true, that the factor has not spoken to Woods once about the issue, is not privy to a single private part of Wood's brain or conscious. The poster's absurd point says nothing about Tiger and says everything about the poster.

Edited February 10, 2010 by Snow

[Churchmouse]

Gee, it's hard to believe that someone 2010 years old (according to your profile) could be so gullible.

[Churchmouse]

How delightful... you have devoted a full 20% of all your posts to criticizing me. Oh happy day.

Perhaps MeIRL practices quality in his post, not quantity.

[MeIRL]

From what I have read of your posts, Snow, you would appear to be describing yourself.

How delightful... you have devoted a full 20% of all your posts to criticizing me. Oh happy day.

Glad I could make your day.

If you believe my post constitutes criticism, then you are admitting your own post to be just that. In that case, I'm not sure I understand what you're whining about. I have only posted here a very short time, but I have been reading this group for over a year and have read a lot of your posts. I speak as I find.

Here's the deal. The poster has already decided that Tiger Woods, for example, is not actually sorry for his errors despite what he says. I'd wager, because it is true, that the factor has not spoken to Woods once about the issue, is not privy to a single private part of Wood's brain or conscious. The poster's absurd point says nothing about Tiger and says everything about the poster.

I don't disagree.

[Hemidakota]

When current Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC) and his wife Jenny took their wedding vows he had the words "to be faithful" removed. Wouldn't that raise a red flag to most brides-to-be? She is getting a divorce after he was caught in an affair.

Tiger Wood and his wife are going to try to stay together.

Both men say they are sorry. I don't buy it. If you had an affair in the past, that was discovered and brought to light, and you said you were sorry it happened it may carry some weight, but when you are still involved I think the only sorrow you have is that you got caught.

One radio talk show host in Columbus, Ohio said "I can understand Tiger having a couple of flings. He's famous for (blank) sake. But not all of those."

I didn't realize being famous was a green light for adultery.

This is why I simply don't believe, listen, watch. or follow any public figure.