Is Trump Video Surprising?

[Larry Cotrell]

As you probably know, a video of Trump making vulgar comments was recently leaked. Because of this, he has lost a lot of support and several people have unendorsed him. After watching part of this video (censored), it doesn't seem that shocking that he said these things. I am trying to understand why this has affected his campaign so much, as he has said awful things in the past. 

Is anyone out there surprised by what he said in the video? Does anyone think it is shockingly uncharacteristic of him? 

And, does anyone think he should drop out and let Pence be the candidate because he has no chance of getting elected now?

[Guest MormonGator]

21 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

As you probably know, a video of Trump making vulgar comments was recently leaked. Because of this, he has lost a lot of support and several people have unendorsed him. After watching part of this video (censored), it doesn't seem that shocking that he said these things. I am trying to understand why this has affected his campaign so much, as he has said awful things in the past. 

Because his followers dislike/hate Hillary and her views more than they dislike Trump, his own views and his behavior.

 

22 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

Is anyone out there surprised by what he said in the video? Does anyone think it is shockingly uncharacteristic of him? 

 

 Not surprised. He's a disgusting misogynist pervert and no, not all men talk like that. Even non-LDS/Christian men aren't that vulgar or don't try to hit on other mens wives like that.  Big difference between cursing and speaking like he did. 

23 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

 

And, does anyone think he should drop out and let Pence be the candidate because he has no chance of getting elected now?

He should. If he had integrity/cared about the country he would. But he doesn't have it. I blame the Trumpers 100%. We told them this would happen and he would self destruct. But Trumpers lack the cognitive ability to fully understand how politics works. If they had it in the first place, they wouldn't have voted for Trump. 

[Guest Godless]

Disgusting? Yes. Upsetting? Absolutely. Surprising? Not even remotely. This video unequivocally confirmed what Trump's detractors have been saying all along: that Donald Trump is a misogynistic, sexist pig with little or no respect for women.

Sadly, many of his supporters will continue to push their cognitive dissonance to the limit as they try their best to defend him. Heck, I'm already seeing it all over FB and Twitter. "But Bill Clinton..." is not running for office. "It's just locker room talk. All men talk that way in private". If you truly believe that, then maybe you should reevaluate the men you're surrounding yourself with. "But the Supreme Court nomination..." is not the only thing at stake here. The ramifications of a Trump presidency are far greater than a seat on the Supreme Court. 

I'm glad to see the GOP leadership finally come to their senses and jump off this sinking ship, though I'm also disappointed that it didn't happen sooner.

[Larry Cotrell]

8 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Because his followers dislike/hate Hillary and her views more than they dislike Trump, his own views and his behavior.

 

 Not surprised. He's a disgusting misogynist pervert and no, not all men talk like that. Even non-LDS/Christian men aren't that vulgar or don't try to hit on other mens wives like that.  Big difference between cursing and speaking like he did. 

He should. If he had integrity/cared about the country he would. But he doesn't have it. I blame the Trumpers 100%. We told them this would happen and he would self destruct. But Trumpers lack the cognitive ability to fully understand how politics works. If they had it in the first place, they wouldn't have voted for Trump. 

I agree 100%. His arrogance has cost republicans the election.

[Guest MormonGator]

18 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

I agree 100%. His arrogance has cost republicans the election.

It cost them the house, the senate and the supreme court as well. Like I mentioned on my Facebook when it happened-watching the GOP nominate Trump is like watching your best friend drown while you attach cinder blocks to his ankles. 

Edited October 8, 2016 by MormonGator

[Guest MormonGator]

26 minutes ago, Godless said:

 

I'm glad to see the GOP leadership finally come to their senses and jump off this sinking ship, though I'm also disappointed that it didn't happen sooner.

Imagine if you are a republican. I usually vote republican (no, I hardly agree with them on everything) but after this fiasco? Gone baby gone. I feel sorry for them. 

[yjacket]

6 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

It cost them the house, the senate and the supreme court as well. Like I mentioned on my Facebook when it happened-watching the GOP nominate Trump is like watching your best friend drown while you attach cinder blocks to his ankles. 

Don't be so sure about that MG; yes Trump is vulgar; I don't like it, obviously don't support it, but the guy was on Howard Stern for many, many years.  Anyone with half a brain, knows the kind of stuff Stern does so it's not surprising in the least. We shall see how this affects things (and be sure, Trump may be very vulgar, but Clinton is corrupt and leaves a trail of bodies all over the place).

This in a culmination of a lot of factors-but don't blame those individuals who voted for him (I voted for Rand, thank you very much).  If you want to blame anyone blame the Republican Establishment for rolling over to Bush II, starting multiple wars, passing legislation like a Democrat. Then blame the Establishment for pushing idiots like McCain and Romney (Romeny was no conservative-he passed ObamaCare lite in Massachusetts).  Blame the Republican Elite for pushing idiots like Bush III and Rubio.  

Trump was on Stern for many, many years and you're telling me that no other candidate out of 17 could get this stuff out in the open in the Primary season? We've seen that the Republican Establishment the like of McCain, Romney, etc. have lined up behind Clinton. And please spare me it's b/c she's a better "conservative" than Trump. If Clinton has a "conservative" bone in her, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

There is a lot more to meets the eye than the surface information.  Yes, Trump is vulgar; but there is a bigger reason why both R & D establishment hate him and want to take him down-b/c he is a huge threat to the status quo.  He isn't a member of the Skull & Bones, the CFR or any of the other secret societies at the top of the government.

As Carol Quigley said (Bill Clinton's mentor):

The argument of two parties should represent opposed ideas and policies, one perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinate and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. The policies that are vital and necessary for America are no longer subjects of significant disagreement, but are disputable only in details of procedure, priority, or method.”

I don't like Trump in the least bit; I don't believe I have ever said I have liked him; but he has done something that hasn't been done in a very, very long time and that is coming very, very close to the Presidency without being a member of the modern day Gadianton Robbers. 

But given the times we live in; I guarantee you it is nigh impossible for a moral individual outside of the Gadianton Robbers to make it to the top; they are all corrupt-it's just a matter of what type of corruption it is.

[Guest MormonGator]

@yjacket-

I voted for Rand too. We agree 100% on that, for sure. I donated money to his campaign and I do it for his senate campaign too. 

[yjacket]

10 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Imagine if you are a republican. I usually vote republican (no, I hardly agree with them on everything) but after this fiasco? Gone baby gone. I feel sorry for them. 

It's also foolishness to think this type of stuff hasn't occurred in the past with other Presidents or wealthy people; JFK, shoot the entire Kennedy family, Clinton, etc.  If you are looking for a saint for President you won't find one-we are too corrupt as a people. 

We expect our leaders to be paragons of virtue, yet what do we as a people do?  What are the statistics on porn usage? 60, 70%? What is the statistics on affairs, 30%? What kind of movies do we watch? Take a look at cable shows, how many regular tv shows are vulgar, crass, degrading to men, women etc?

The left, Clinton has the faux hypocrisy of decency?  Feminist want men to say nice things about them, but yet at the same time want women to be who they are and defend the actual women who make pornography? 

From one of my favorite movies.

 

[prisonchaplain]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

Imagine if you are a republican. I usually vote republican (no, I hardly agree with them on everything) but after this fiasco? Gone baby gone. I feel sorry for them. 

Do I vote for the crude, personally offensive guy, or the gal who will appoint pro-abortion judges, bring 'social justice warrior' government control to religious colleges, and further diminish the first and second amendments?  Trump is the GOP's worst enemy, but HRC may be its best friend.  I will be voting AGAINST HRC.

[Guest MormonGator]

5 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

Do I vote for the crude, personally offensive guy, or the gal who will appoint pro-abortion judges, bring 'social justice warrior' government control to religious colleges, and further diminish the first and second amendments?  Trump is the GOP's worst enemy, but HRC may be its best friend.  I will be voting AGAINST HRC.

I had you pegged as a Green party guy, I'm sorry. 

(just playing PC!) 

[prisonchaplain]

I think Gary Johnson is the Green Party guy--pro 'green tobacco' and pro-unfettered business.   But alas, I only scored 47% agreement with him. 

[Larry Cotrell]

Maybe we should just have a drawing and whoever wins could be president. It would be like getting picked for jury duty, except with a little more responsibility.

How much worse could it possibly be than our candidates now?

The only problem is that it would give Trump a better chance of winning because there would still be a 1/319,000,000 chance. Whereas now, his chance is 0.

 

 

[Guest MormonGator]

33 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

How much worse could it possibly be than our candidates now?

 

"Don't ever say you have nothing to lose. You can always lose something"-Bob Dylan.

[Guest MormonGator]

Something important to remember in this disastrous release: 

Boys will be boys and many men (in particular non-religious men) don't talk like angels. It's not like "Well dearest Patrick, how are you this glorious day? Oh, by jove I spy an attractive woman over there at the bar. Golly gee , I'm going to go and engage her in conversation." If you want to think men talk like southern belles from the antebellum south, knock yourself out-but you are wrong. 

Now, that doesn't mean all men are as vulgar as Trump was. I'm no saint, I curse in my private life but I don't talk the way he did. Even if I'm not offended by it, I know well enough to know that others would be-so it shows his total lack of discipline and again, his reckless behavior. That's my view of his language. 

Now, onto his actions. He tried to hook up with a married woman. While he was married-this doesn't surprise me -after all his first and second marriage ended because of his womanizing. Putting aside the language, I can say that the majority of men religious or not wouldn't do that. So this is another deeply troubling matter. 

Even if you don't care about the language and adultery, many, many other people do. And you should care about that because they vote. And they won't vote for Trump.  

[yjacket]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

Now, onto his actions. He tried to hook up with a married woman. 

Well, the NeverTrumpers are NeverTrumpers . . .MLK was a womanizer and was cheating on his wife the day before he was killed.

Doesn't excuse the behavior, just that so many of our so-called "great men" weren't saints at home . . .if only we had twitter and youtube 100 years ago (sigh).

I do think there is something about power, prestige and money that corrupts a man.  It takes enormous willpower, moral and training to not let that stuff go to one's head. And yes, there is something about money and power that draws women to men.

It makes me appreciate Church leaders so much. Look at almost any big organization with prestige and power and you will find very immoral people at the top (Catholic Church anyone?). It's a testament that we as a Church with over 15 million members and millions (if not billions) of dollars of funds are pretty darn squeaky clean.

For presidential stuff, I care more about how you are going to lead this country rather than your personal immorality-I still don't like it one bit but . . .

Edited October 9, 2016 by yjacket

[Guest MormonGator]

6 minutes ago, yjacket said:

It's a testament that we as a Church with over 15 million members

15 million members? I had no idea it was that big. Wow. No, not challenging you. Just surprised. 

[NeuroTypical]

Best Facebook meme I've seen all week:

"If American women are so outraged at Trump's naughty words, who the heck bought 80 million copies of 50 Shades of Grey??"

[yjacket]

6 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

15 million members? I had no idea it was that big. Wow. No, not challenging you. Just surprised. 

15.63 million baptized members to be exact as of last December.  Yeap, fairly decent size with more members outside the US than inside it.  Now of course those numbers are sure to be a little off as we don't have access to all the death records and I think the church keeps members on the list until they are about 105-110 unless the Church is notified of a death.  

The activity rate is around 50% so we probably have at best 7 million active members with (I'm guessing 50% of that being worthy temple holders??). But yeah, still a good bit of members.  

[lonetree]

I'm shocked.

JFK or FDR would never have spoken this way...

Edited October 9, 2016 by lonetree

[Guest MormonGator]

12 minutes ago, lonetree said:

I'm shocked.

JFK or FDR would never have spoken this way...

Right, and those are good points. There is a frustrating double standard that treats democrats differently than republicans. All true. 

Still though-not everyone agrees with us. A suburban housewife in Tampa will view his remarks totally unlike we are. At the very least, Trump is making it incredibly difficult on himself and the GOP to win.  

[NeuroTypical]

Yeah, Alexander Hamilton, author of most of the Federalist Papers, allowed himself to be seduced by a lady, and then paid hush money to her husband while the relationship continued for about a year.  

Quote

 "It was easy to understand that he wanted money, and to prevent an explosion, I resolved to gratify him. But willing to manage his delicacy, if he had any, I reminded him that I had at our first interview made him a promise of service, that I was disposed to do it as far as might be proper, and in my power, and requested him to consider in what manner I could do it, and to write to me. He withdrew with a promise of compliance.”

US politicians paying hush money to cover up their sexual indiscretions, as early as 1797.  (He's on our ten-dollar bill, btw...)

Edited October 9, 2016 by NeuroTypical

[lonetree]

13 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Right, and those are good points. There is a frustrating double standard that treats democrats differently than republicans. All true. 

Still though-not everyone agrees with us. A suburban housewife in Tampa will view his remarks totally unlike we are. At the very least, Trump is making it incredibly difficult on himself and the GOP to win.  

He can't undo something done 10 years ago. But if you mean he's making it difficult by not stepping down, yes.

[Guest]

Righteous people generally don't get very far in politics in either party these days... too much lying, ruthlessness, dirty money, etc. involved.  Not sure how George W. and Mitt Romney pulled it off...

For the record, neither candidate is righteous this time around.  Time to hold our noses and vote for the side that will do the least damage...

Edited October 9, 2016 by DoctorLemon

[kapikui]

First off, I hate Trump, and will not vote for him.

Well, after viewing the video, I'm not convinced 100% that it is legitimate. There are suspicious glitches in the video.  The video and audio were clearly not recorded at the same time since we have what looks like cell phone or cheap video camera footage of a bus with trump getting off of it, and audio from inside the bus.  Now it isn't hard to go back and sync audio and video, but unless the recording was done deliberately at the time, It would have taken some significant effort to get a hot mike recording, and sync it up with something that seems to be poor video of trump and friends getting off of a bus and meeting with some random woman, and walking.  All of the disgusting comments take place when Trump is on the bus and we can't tell other than by voice if it is indeed him speaking.  

That said, I've never made any secret that I don't think Trump is in this to win.  He is in it to do as much damage to the Republican party as possible.  He wants to give the presidency and both houses of congress to the democrats and get favors from a sitting president that he wouldn't be able to use or do if HE were president. Hillary was falling in her numbers again.  Every time that happens, Trump does or says something to destroy his chances.  This is no different.