NightSG Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 Black Sharpie. When you can only read it once, you make it count. Grunt, Fether, Sunday21 and 1 other 4 Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Fether said: What I'm getting from your post is that you don't record anything you read or take notes... you should start Why? Are you under the impression that I don't remember or understand the scriptures? Moreover, are you of the mind that everyone learns the same way? Quote
Fether Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: Why? Are you under the impression that I don't remember or understand the scriptures? Moreover, are you of the mind that everyone learns the same way? Im under the impression that you have been told to mark scriptures but you have it in your head that you don't need to. my impressions aren't always true. Well, if you are studying scripture every day like we have been asked, paying attention in Sunday school, quorum class, sacrament meeting, general conference, stake conference, devotional, priesthood meetings, random daily ponderings, and not taking notes, you are likely forgetting most of what you learn. Some resources: https://www.lds.org/media-library/video/2012-07-1050-advice-for-studying-the-scriptures?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/how-do-i-study-effectively-and-prepare-to-teach?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/manual/scripture-study-the-power-of-the-word-teacher-manual/lesson-6?lang=eng note: In all these cases, it is assumed that the reader is already marking scriptures and spends only a tiny amount of time actually trying to convince you to actually take notes/mark Edited July 31, 2017 by Fether Quote
Fether Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Carborendum said: Why? I tried marking on my mission. Then I realized that I wasn't gaining anything through the process. So, what do you get out of it? Well for one it helps you find scriptures when you go back to find them. Besides that it all depends on how you mark. And marking alone won't make your studies great. For me, when reading at later times, I frequently come across markings with notes attached that contain deeper insights from up to 4 years ago. Also, whenever I open my scriptures, I know immediately what is going on where I open up because I have a yellow mark and a 5 word phrase explain the event/context. I have little green marks throughout my book that indicate points of pondering and questions. Quote
Guest Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Fether said: Well for one it helps you find scriptures when you go back to find them. Besides that it all depends on how you mark. And marking alone won't make your studies great. For me, when reading at later times, I frequently come across markings with notes attached that contain deeper insights from up to 4 years ago. Also, whenever I open my scriptures, I know immediately what is going on where I open up because I have a yellow mark and a 5 word phrase explain the event/context. I have little green marks throughout my book that indicate points of pondering and questions. In that case, yes it would be pretty useless for me. Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, Fether said: Im under the impression that you have been told to mark scriptures but you have it in your head that you don't need to. Who is it that's supposedly told me this? (I mean, of course, other than, apparently, you?) As to the fact that I have it in my head that I don't need to...well...yeah....obviously. It's more than that however. It's not a matter of simply not needing to. It's a matter of doing so being a significantly worse method for me. Significantly. 19 minutes ago, Fether said: Well, if you are studying scripture every day like we have been asked, paying attention in Sunday school, quorum class, sacrament meeting, general conference, stake conference, devotional, priesthood meetings, random daily ponderings, and not taking notes, you are likely forgetting most of what you learn. Am not. ............... Well...of course, obviously...some things are forgotten. The implication that I (specifically me, myself) would forget less if taking notes, however, is wrong. Tested and proven. Quote
Fether Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: Who is it that's supposedly told me this? (I mean, of course, other than, apparently, you?) As to the fact that I have it in my head that I don't need to...well...yeah....obviously. It's more than that however. It's not a matter of simply not needing to. It's a matter of doing so being a significantly worse method for me. Significantly. Am not. ............... Well...of course, obviously...some things are forgotten. The implication that I (specifically me, myself) would forget less if taking notes, however, is wrong. Tested and proven. I was being purposefully obvious at the beggining of my post. But if you feel that strongly that you don't need to mark or take notes, then don't I just know that after about a year of deep purposeful studying I first started taking notes and it was fantastic. Quote
Guest Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: Well...of course, obviously...some things are forgotten. The implication that I (specifically me, myself) would forget less if taking notes, however, is wrong. Tested and proven. @Fether, I'm obviously siding with TFP on this one. It really isn't necessary for everyone. I can look a verse up in the various study aids whenever I want to. If it truly is a deep insight, it tends to stick with me. As for context, I actually like reading it new each time. It may sound like arrogance. But I just don't forget much studied material when it's important. I just need a tool to help look it up again. To answer your question,my BIL made a system that has great reviews from the extended family. I will get it to you. Edited July 31, 2017 by Guest Quote
Fether Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) @Carborendum This is a very difficult thing for me to see x) I have never met people who don't benefit from marking. And the few that I met that complain about it are people who don't read scriptures regularly, or see studying as a nuisance in general (particularly on my mission). I always associated 'studying' with 'marking and notes' But I guess there are those that dont benefit from marking Edited July 31, 2017 by Fether Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 28 minutes ago, Fether said: I was being purposefully obvious at the beggining of my post. But if you feel that strongly that you don't need to mark or take notes, then don't I just know that after about a year of deep purposeful studying I first started taking notes and it was fantastic. As I said, it's less about "don't need to" (as if it's a petulant child response), and more about having learned, over time, what works best for me, learning-wise. Fether 1 Quote
Vort Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 55 minutes ago, Carborendum said: @Fether, I'm obviously siding with TFP on this one. It really isn't necessary for everyone. I can look a verse up in the various study aids whenever I want to. If it truly is a deep insight, it tends to stick with me. As for context, I actually like reading it new each time. It may sound like arrogance. But I just don't forget much studied material when it's important. I just need a tool to help look it up again. To answer your question,my BIL made a system that has great reviews from the extended family. I will get it to you. Interesting. That would be nice. I have found that I forget my insights and impressions unless I record them somehow, which is why my scripture margins are filled with my scribbles. How much has my scribbling helped? I don't know; I know of no way to quantify it. But I am sure that some insights have stuck with me through the years because I wrote them in my scriptures and then re-read them every time I look at that part. As you and TFP say, everyone is different. My scripture-marking "system", such as it was, was cumbersome and of relatively little value. Then I was introduced to a much more minimalist, monochromatic marking system by an internet acquaintance who seemed to me to be truly knowledgeable in the scriptures. I've adapted his system for my use, to great benefit. I still have too much garbage scribbled in my scriptures, but on the whole, it's a great help. Quote
Guest Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Elephant in the room: if you are reading your scriptures at all, you are doing better than a lot of members out there and are making a good choice. If you want to mark your scriptures and you feel like you are getting something out of your scriptures by reading them the way you read a textbook, fine. Do it. If you want to not mark your scriptures, and just read them to think about Christ more and bring the spirit into your life, that is a perfectly valid method to scripture reading too. The point is you are reading your scriptures, and please keep doing so, no matter what method you find the most beneficial to you. (like I said, what works for me is to occasionally mark something that is particularly insightful - I am talking about maybe one margin note per study session. The idea of using colored pencils to color code my scriptures makes me vomit a little in my mouth, but to each their own). Edited July 31, 2017 by DoctorLemon Quote
Snigmorder Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Posted July 31, 2017 6 hours ago, Carborendum said: I don't know which version of the scriptures you have. But I don't often find poop in the scriptures. Well, I opened the NIV once. Quote
Snigmorder Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Posted July 31, 2017 16 hours ago, The Folk Prophet said: I read. Head I suppose. Though I guess that depends on what one means by "all", and definitely depends on what one means by "keep". I read Alma 32 today without marking, pretty refreshing. Quote
mordorbund Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 17 hours ago, Carborendum said: I don't know which version of the scriptures you have. But I don't often find poop in the scriptures. Judges 3:21-22 Deuteronomy 23:12-14 Malachi 2:3 You're Welcome. Snigmorder and Vort 2 Quote
Anddenex Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 I used to mark up my scriptures, similar to what you have shown, and I quickly realized if a page was marked up to much I didn't read as intently. I changed to a simple "dot" above the word/phrase that I liked and then update what I like within my lds.org notebook. I have been requesting Gospel Library to have a "white" option for underlining, so my scriptures don't become cumbersome with highlights again, but sadly they haven't. Quote
zil Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, Anddenex said: I have been requesting Gospel Library to have a "white" option for underlining, so my scriptures don't become cumbersome with highlights again, but sadly they haven't. I'm still using the previous version because I detest the current version. In said previous version (which you could side-load if you want - but you can't have both installed at once), the very last color on the top row of colors is indicated by an "A" with a dotted line around it. It allows you to mark without any color showing - you can still tag, add notes, add to a notebook, link, but you don't see a color change in the verse itself (no highlight, no underline). You do see the little box to the side so you can select your "highlight". (NOTE: This is the Android version. I don't know if the Apple or other versions include this option, and I don't know if they kept it when they "upgraded".) Anddenex 1 Quote
Snigmorder Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Posted July 31, 2017 43 minutes ago, mordorbund said: Judges 3:21-22 Deuteronomy 23:12-14 Malachi 2:3 You're Welcome. Savage. mordorbund 1 Quote
zil Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Snigmorder said: Savage. Apparently @mordorbund was raised in a barn... mordorbund 1 Quote
Snigmorder Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Posted July 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, zil said: I'm still using the previous version because I detest the current version. In said previous version (which you could side-load if you want - but you can't have both installed at once), the very last color on the top row of colors is indicated by an "A" with a dotted line around it. It allows you to mark without any color showing - you can still tag, add notes, add to a notebook, link, but you don't see a color change in the verse itself (no highlight, no underline). You do see the little box to the side so you can select your "highlight". (NOTE: This is the Android version. I don't know if the Apple or other versions include this option, and I don't know if they kept it when they "upgraded".) It does the same on the iPhone version but without the dotted line. Since the latest update the search function has been really laggy. Quote
zil Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, Snigmorder said: Since the latest update the search function has been really laggy. Yeah, they totally changed the approach with the search. <sigh> Someone who likes pretty more than functional made his way up the GL chain and we're going to have to suffer until someone who insists on functionality exerts sufficient influence. My fear is that they'll stop providing new content for the previous version before that happens and I'll be forced to switch to the new version. <big sigh> Snigmorder 1 Quote
Anddenex Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, zil said: I'm still using the previous version because I detest the current version. In said previous version (which you could side-load if you want - but you can't have both installed at once), the very last color on the top row of colors is indicated by an "A" with a dotted line around it. It allows you to mark without any color showing - you can still tag, add notes, add to a notebook, link, but you don't see a color change in the verse itself (no highlight, no underline). You do see the little box to the side so you can select your "highlight". (NOTE: This is the Android version. I don't know if the Apple or other versions include this option, and I don't know if they kept it when they "upgraded".) I have not seen the "A" dotted line. Will have to check. zil 1 Quote
zil Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 27 minutes ago, Anddenex said: I have not seen the "A" dotted line. Will have to check. You have to swipe to get to the colors at the far right of the color collections. And, since I'm home where I have a table with the new version (ick)... it does still have the non-color highlight. Not quite as intuitive, IMO, but I think you'll figure it out. (No dotted line around the "A".) Quote
Guest Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, mordorbund said: Judges 3:21-22 Deuteronomy 23:12-14 Malachi 2:3 You're Welcome. Didn't you forget the cave of adullam? Quote
mordorbund Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 27 minutes ago, Carborendum said: Didn't you forget the cave of adullam? Is that where David secretly hosted Saul? If so, yes I did. Thanks for the reminder. Quote
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