Common misconceptions: lds version

[Vort]

13 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

I'm surprised you know about The Music Man @Vort. I always assumed it would be much too edgy for your tastes. 

True fact: I last watched The Music Man over Christmas so my daughter-in-law (a fan of musicals who nevertheless had somehow never seen it) could see it. I hadn't watched it in years. I was surprised at how much rather blatant sexual innuendo there was. Seems like President Monson quoted that old cad Greg Harold Hill in General Conference more than once.

[Guest MormonGator]

1 minute ago, Vort said:

True fact: I last watched The Music Man over Christmas so my daughter-in-law (a fan of musicals who nevertheless had somehow never seen it) could see it. I hadn't watched it in years. I was surprised at how much rather blatant sexual innuendo there was. Seems like President Monson quoted that old cad Greg Harold Hill in General Conference more than once.

You are such a snowflake @Vort

[Vort]

I am special, I'm the only one
I'm the only one like me
There isn't another in the whole wide world
That can do the things I, um, dee.

My school bus:

[Guest MormonGator]

9 minutes ago, Vort said:

I am special, I'm the only one
I'm the only one like me
There isn't another in the whole wide world
That can do the things I, um, dee.

My school bus:

 

How @Vort played musical chairs in 3rd grade. 

Just playing everyone. @Vort is a great guy with a good sense of humor. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by MormonGator

[Traveler]

As I read this thread – I am beginning to wonder if the most harmful misconceptions about Mormons are those that we perpetrate among ourselves.

 

The Traveler

 

 

[e-eye]

On 2/25/2018 at 9:33 AM, Vort said:

The point is that many Mormons do indeed avoid caffeinated drinks. So it's not a misconception.

President Monson drank the stuff regularly.  BYU sells it yet, I have been asked often or or it is mentioned by non members that we are not allowed to drink it.  May just be more of a localized misconception possibly.  Yes I do agree there are many Mormons who avoid it but not because it's against our morals it's just unhealthy like, eating junk food or the many other foods that make one unhealthy.  

[Vort]

15 minutes ago, e-eye said:

President Monson drank the stuff regularly.  BYU sells it yet, I have been asked often or or it is mentioned by non members that we are not allowed to drink it.  May just be more of a localized misconception possibly.  Yes I do agree there are many Mormons who avoid it but not because it's against our morals it's just unhealthy like, eating junk food or the many other foods that make one unhealthy.  

It may well be that President Monson drank caffeine regularly (though I'd like more of a source for that claim than some random internet belief). My Dad did, too. I have been a regular caffeine drinker, though as of last week I'm trying to make that a past tense. None of that is relevant.

You claimed that "don't drink caffeine" is a "common misconception" about Mormons. It is not. Many Latter-day Saints do indeed avoid such drinks, and they are much better off for doing so, rumors about Monson or Uchtdorf being caffeine fiends notwithstanding. Many also say, "Don't drink caffeine", so that's not a misconception, either.

If you're claiming that the misconception is that there is LDS doctrine to the effect that we shouldn't drink caffeinated drinks, that also would be wrong, depending on what you mean by "doctrine". It is a sure thing that previous Church authorities have specifically counseled against using caffeinated drinks along with other habit-forming substances. That has been the teaching, which is the meaning of "doctrine". I don't believe such has ever been a temple recommend question -- but that's not the definition of "doctrine", and frankly, passing a temple recommend worthiness interview is setting the bar pretty darn low for the Saints. I feel quite sure God expects a lot more from us. We have been told explicitly that we should not need to be commanded in all things, and that such he who must be so commanded is a "slothful servant" and not wise.

I'm not going to condemn anyone for drinking Coke, not even myself*. But I'm also not going to pretend that it's a good idea, and that the Spirit is pleased when we casually partake of stimulants. More to the point, I will argue against the idea that "don't drink caffeine" is somehow a "common misconception". It is nothing of the sort.

*Actually, I hate Coke. Mountain Death is my poison of choice.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Vort

[anatess2]

17 minutes ago, Vort said:

*Actually, I hate Coke. Mountain Death is my poison of choice.

You must be a programmer if...

[Jedi_Nephite]

15 hours ago, DoctorLemon said:

Wrong!

They recorded for years and years as Green Jello until a lawsuit in 1992 brought by Kraft Foods forced them to change their name to Green Jelly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Jellÿ#Albums

By the time of the lawsuit and subsequent name change, they had already released "Three Little Pigs" under the name "Green Jello", which came out on their 1991 second EP with a title I cannot print here.  As Green Jelly, they would go on to record "333" in 1994, but it was clear that the band was in serious decline and went on hiatus soon after.

Well, that explains it.  I never heard of them until I started 7th grade in 1993.

I stand corrected.

[Vort]

3 minutes ago, Jedi_Nephite said:

I never heard of them until I started 7th grade in 1993.

So that would mean you were born in, what, 1981? My high school graduation year, and for that reason, one of the best years of my life.

[Guest]

My .02c on the caffeine misconception: It is most certainly thought by non-Mormons that caffeine is not allowed. I thought so myself until reading further. Perhaps many LDS do not drink any caffeine/soda for health reasons or personal beliefs as many non-LDS do. The misconception is that it is a rule, a commandment, not that it is a Mormon individual choice, which is really what it is.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Guest

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Jedi_Nephite said:

Well, that explains it.  I never heard of them until I started 7th grade in 1993.

I stand corrected.

While I am usually patient with ignorance around the internet, you have defiled the great Green Jello, the absolute greatest rock band in music history, on par with Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix.  This is a serious mistake I may find it hard to forgive.  

[Guest MormonGator]

38 minutes ago, Jedi_Nephite said:

Well, that explains it.  I never heard of them until I started 7th grade in 1993.

I stand corrected.

 Don't worry, you have to be sort of a loser to like a band with the word "Green" in the title. Nothing but love @DoctorLemon but what next? Maroon 5? 

Edited February 26, 2018 by MormonGator

[Guest]

Just now, MormonGator said:

 Don't worry, you have to be sort of a loser to like a band with the word "Green" in the title. Nothing but love @DoctorLemon but what next? Maroon 5? 

Now see I would have thought you were a Green Day fan, at least!

[e-eye]

31 minutes ago, Vort said:

It may well be that President Monson drank caffeine regularly (though I'd like more of a source for that claim than some random internet belief). My Dad did, too. I have been a regular caffeine drinker, though as of last week I'm trying to make that a past tense. None of that is relevant.

You claimed that "don't drink caffeine" is a "common misconception" about Mormons. It is not. Many Latter-day Saints do indeed avoid such drinks, and they are much better off for doing so, rumors about Monson or Uchtdorf being caffeine fiends notwithstanding. Many also say, "Don't drink caffeine", so that's not a misconception, either.

If you're claiming that the misconception is that there is LDS doctrine to the effect that we shouldn't drink caffeinated drinks, that also would be wrong, depending on what you mean by "doctrine". It is a sure thing that previous Church authorities have specifically counseled against using caffeinated drinks along with other habit-forming substances. That has been the teaching, which is the meaning of "doctrine". I don't believe such has ever been a temple recommend question -- but that's not the definition of "doctrine", and frankly, passing a temple recommend worthiness interview is setting the bar pretty darn low for the Saints. I feel quite sure God expects a lot more from us. We have been told explicitly that we should not need to be commanded in all things, and that such he who must be so commanded is a "slothful servant" and not wise.

I'm not going to condemn anyone for drinking Coke, not even myself*. But I'm also not going to pretend that it's a good idea, and that the Spirit is pleased when we casually partake of stimulants. More to the point, I will argue against the idea that "don't drink caffeine" is somehow a "common misconception". It is nothing of the sort.

*Actually, I hate Coke. Mountain Death is my poison of choice.

 

Source - My friend who took President Monson fishing and witnessed it.  Although I have heard on the internet that he drank caffeinated drinks by many people as well.

Like I said, it may not be where you live, but in my experience it's one of the most  incorrect misconceptions I hear in AZ. 

I drank Mt Dew at a teenager like it was water.  I have not had that stuff for a good 20 years.  I went about 5 years without drinking any soda and now drink Dr. Pepper (another childhood vice).  

[Guest]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

 Don't worry, you have to be sort of a loser to like a band with the word "Green" in the title. Nothing but love @DoctorLemon but what next? Maroon 5? 

I actually don't like Maroon 5.  Their songs on the radio are simply horrible and they keep putting pornography on their album covers, which are then all over every online mp3 store.

[Vort]

22 minutes ago, Tampasteve2 said:

The misconception is that it is a rule, a commandment, not that it is a Mormon individual choice, which is really what it is.

That much I agree with.

[Vort]

4 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

 Don't worry, you have to be sort of a loser to like a band with the word "Green" in the title. Nothing but love @DoctorLemon but what next? Maroon 5? 

Yeah. Green Day sucks.

EDIT: D'oh. DocLemon beat me to it.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Vort

[Guest MormonGator]

5 minutes ago, DoctorLemon said:

Now see I would have thought you were a Green Day fan, at least!

Them be fighting words pal. 

In reality, my relationship with Green Day is "complicated". Without a doubt Dookie is one of the greatest albums ever recorded. For Generation X slackers like me, virtually no album fully encompasses the mood and personality of our generation. Arguably, not even Nevermind by Nirvana does that. I saw Green Day live in the early 90's and they blew me away. Talented, raw, passionate and so much potential. 

Then after Dookie happened, it all went downhill from there. Nothing, not even American Idiot comes close  to even being average. One of the worst songs ever written (Good Riddance, Time of your life, that wretched thing) is by them. So with all the good comes some truly, truly bad music. 
 

Edited February 26, 2018 by MormonGator

[Vort]

4 minutes ago, e-eye said:

I went about 5 years without drinking any soda and now drink Dr. Pepper (another childhood vice).  

Funny thing: I hate cola. Nasty taste. But I kind of like Dr. Pepper, which after all is basically cola. Go figure.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

Them be fighting words pal. 

In reality, my relationship with Green Day is "complicated". Without a doubt Dookie is one of the greatest albums ever recorded. For Generation X slackers like me, virtually no album fully encompasses the mood and personality of our generation. Arguably, not even Nevermind by Nirvana does that. I saw Green Day live in the early 90's and they blew me away. Talented, raw, passionate and so much potential. 

Then Dookie happened, and it all went downhill from there. Nothing, not even American Idiot comes close  to even being average. One of the worst songs ever written (Good Riddance, Time of your life, that wretched thing) is by them. So with all the good comes some truly, truly bad music. 
 

I actually saw Green Day live back in May 2002, with a then-unknown Jimmy Eat World.  I'm not the biggest pop-punk guy in the world, though.  

[Guest MormonGator]

3 minutes ago, DoctorLemon said:

I actually saw Green Day live back in May 2002, with a then-unknown Jimmy Eat World.  I'm not the biggest pop-punk guy in the world, though.  

I saw them in 1994. One of (not my first, but one of) my first "real concerts". 

Edited February 26, 2018 by MormonGator

[JohnsonJones]

56 minutes ago, Vort said:

So that would mean you were born in, what, 1981? My high school graduation year, and for that reason, one of the best years of my life.

You are about the age of my third eldest.  I think he has you by a year though.  Man, how is it that I can forget such things...now I'm doing the math just to see if I got this right.

One was born around 1966, the next around 69, and him about 73 so I think I'm right on this.

Edit: Ah, just had a thought, maybe you meant you graduated in 1981, not that you graduated in 1993.  That would make you older than my kids...and a tad more along my age range (does that mean I can call you an oldster?...not that I'm one to talk...)

Edited February 26, 2018 by JohnsonJones

[Guest MormonGator]

Just now, JohnsonJones said:

You are about the age of my third eldest.  I think he has you by a year though.  Man, how is it that I can forget such things...now I'm doing the math just to see if I got this right.

One was born around 1966, the next around 69, and him about 73 so I think I'm right on this.

He's lying, he meant to say he graduated high school in 1881. 

[JohnsonJones]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

He's lying, he meant to say he graduated high school in 1881. 

Well, in that case he's far older than I.  That would put him as a Civil War Baby wouldn't it?  Does that put him as a Reformation baby (south), Carpet Bagger Baby (North), or the kid of those polygamists (Mormon)?