Mormon Town

[Grunt]

Has anyone heard of this?   I’ll try to research it more today, but some of you are more in touch than I am so I thought I’d ask first.  

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/03/25/vermont-lawmakers-try-to-stop-utah-developer-who-wants-to-build-a-self-sustaining-community-near-mormon-founders-birthplace/

[Vort]

I vaguely remember this from a year ago. IIRC, the Church stated that this brother's efforts were his own and the Church had nothing to do with it. I assumed the plans sort of fell apart after that.

[person0]

I somehow imagine that a bunch of creepy and/or weird members would be the ones to move into these communities.  I will just wait for the eventual call to Missouri (which I imagine will probably be very under the radar), if that even comes during my lifetime.

[Jane_Doe]

30 minutes ago, Vort said:

I vaguely remember this from a year ago. IIRC, the Church stated that this brother's efforts were his own and the Church had nothing to do with it. I assumed the plans sort of fell apart after that.

Ditto. 

[Guest]

I haven't heard of this.  But I'm kind of puzzled.

No one really explained why the opposition.  It's a private venture, so the Church has nothing to do with it, good, bad, or indifferent.  The only thing someone cited was that they wanted to ensure it met with proper regulations. But they didn't cite ANYthing that was proposed that even hinted that it wouldn't be.

People develop subdivisions all the time.  What's up with this one that they were opposed to?

[Jane_Doe]

20 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I haven't heard of this.  But I'm kind of puzzled.

No one really explained why the opposition.  It's a private venture, so the Church has nothing to do with it, good, bad, or indifferent.  The only thing someone cited was that they wanted to ensure it met with proper regulations. But they didn't cite ANYthing that was proposed that even hinted that it wouldn't be.

People develop subdivisions all the time.  What's up with this one that they were opposed to?

The opposition is just standard neighbors not wanting a lot of development, not really rooted to the eccentric-ness of this proposed plan (though it certainly doesn't help the matter).

[Guest]

I did a little bit more reading on his purpose and goals.

Regardless of whatever the opposition is, I don't think this guy knows anything about how to properly develop a community.

I've designed subdivisions and I've designed commercial developments.  What he's proposing is exactly counter to his stated purpose.  And it does NOT seem to be following Joseph Smith's plans for the City of Zion.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Guest

[bytebear]

It appears something like this has happened before, and not too far from you, Grunt.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7515495,-70.6636462,18z

Hey, where do you live?  On the corner of Zarahemla and Nephi.

 

[zil]

5 minutes ago, bytebear said:

It appears something like this has happened before, and not too far from you, Grunt.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7515495,-70.6636462,18z

Hey, where do you live?  On the corner of Zarahemla and Nephi.

 

Huh.  "Riplah" and "Sariah" are interesting too.  And a Community of Christ church smack in the midst of it.  Wonder what the story of all that is.

[Guest MormonGator]

3 hours ago, Carborendum said:

  What's up with this one that they were opposed to?

Vermont is incredibly secular, like all of New England is (remember, I grew up there). I can assure you 100% that the townspeople of Sharon are done with their town being known strictly as the birthplace of Smith Jr. They don't look too kindly on LDS tourists. The LAST thing they would want is a large community of them. 

[bytebear]

From my understanding, they wanted to establish a community there, and set aside land for a meeting house, but it never came to be.  This was long before they were CoC, but were still RLDS.  I served my mission there 30 years ago, so it was fun to take greenies there tracting and see if they picked up on the street names.

Edited March 28, 2018 by bytebear

[Grunt]

4 hours ago, bytebear said:

It appears something like this has happened before, and not too far from you, Grunt.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7515495,-70.6636462,18z

Hey, where do you live?  On the corner of Zarahemla and Nephi.

 

Interesting.  I'm down there all the time and never knew it existed.  

 

4 hours ago, MormonGator said:

Vermont is incredibly secular, like all of New England is (remember, I grew up there). I can assure you 100% that the townspeople of Sharon are done with their town being known strictly as the birthplace of Smith Jr. They don't look too kindly on LDS tourists. The LAST thing they would want is a large community of them. 

The last thing most small New England towns want is an influx of ANY kind of community.

[zil]

18 minutes ago, Grunt said:

The last thing most small New England towns want is an influx of ANY kind of community.

Yes, communities are dangerous.  If you're not careful, they'll morph into communes and before you know it, you've got full blown communism right in the heart of what used to be your community!

[Guest MormonGator]

19 minutes ago, Grunt said:

The last thing most small New England towns want is an influx of ANY kind of community.

"Good fences make good neighbors."-Robert Frost, the ultimate New Englander. Even though he was born in San Fransisco

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

"Good fences make good neighbors."-Robert Frost

Now you know better than that.

Edited March 29, 2018 by Guest

[zil]

9 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

"Good fences make good neighbors."-Robert Frost

Now you know better than that.

Exactly.  The only thing good fences make is a profit.

[Grunt]

17 minutes ago, zil said:

Exactly.  The only thing good fences make is a profit.

I'm guessing that saying comes from farming communities and is very true.  I love my neighbors, but probably wouldn't if their animals ate my garden or killed my livestock.

[Guest MormonGator]

I like my neighbors too-great people. But we keep to ourselves more or less. I'll give them homemade soap and they'll swap fresh eggs and vegetables with us. But we aren't like "buds" or anything. I got along great with the other set before they moved though. We still talk on Facebook! 

[zil]

13 minutes ago, Grunt said:

I'm guessing that saying comes from farming communities and is very true.  I love my neighbors, but probably wouldn't if their animals ate my garden or killed my livestock.

Sigh.  Fence.  Buyer and reseller of stolen goods?  Mormons.

[Grunt]

1 minute ago, zil said:

 Mormons.

I'm NEW!   I didn't even know they served ice cream for Priesthood conference!

[zil]

Just now, Grunt said:

I'm NEW!   I didn't even know they served ice cream for Priesthood conference!

Yes, well, fences aren't a Mormon invention, that's for sure, so being a new Mormon is a poor excuse.  It's as if you never needed to unload some jewelry that was never yours to begin with.

[NightSG]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

I'll give them homemade soap and they'll swap fresh eggs and vegetables with us.

Be glad you're not in Texas; people here lock their cars at church to keep from coming back to a seat full of zucchini, okra or pecans, depending on the season.

As one Lutheran minister put it, "Find Jesus, and you'll find pecans in your car.  Turn from Him, and you have to pay $6 a pound for them."

Edited March 29, 2018 by NightSG

[askandanswer]

3 hours ago, zil said:

Yes, communities are dangerous.  If you're not careful, they'll morph into communes and before you know it, you've got full blown communism right in the heart of what used to be your community!

And then all the other communists commute in to commune together

[askandanswer]

1 hour ago, Grunt said:

I'm NEW!   I didn't even know they served ice cream for Priesthood conference!

We do better than that here. As well as having ice cream at stake priesthood meetings, every few months our ward has Sundae Sundays.

[askandanswer]

3 hours ago, MormonGator said:

"Good fences make good neighbors."-Robert Frost, the ultimate New Englander. Even though he was born in San Fransisco

When I was in high school I was on the debating team. We debated this topic, but with a slightly different wording - high fences make good neighbours. The other side interpreted it to mean the purveyors of stolen goods who are adversely affected by illegal substances make for good neighbours. That was a hard topic to defend and we easily won.