Sí, señor, Seattle sucks

[anatess2]

13 hours ago, Sunday21 said:

Some liberals, ahem, are lovely people. You might like them. 

All liberals are lovely people.  Except for true American liberals (those who live to undermine the Constitution and not just those who claim to be liberals but they're actually just Democrats) and those who call themselves liberals but are actually neo-Marxists or fascists.

[Just_A_Guy]

4 hours ago, anatess2 said:

. . . Except for true American liberals (those who live to undermine the Constitution and not just those who claim to be liberals but they're actually just Democrats) and those who call themselves liberals but are actually neo-Marxists or fascists.

One might label this collection of folks as a “basket of deplorables”, to coin a phrase.

[Guest]

16 hours ago, lostinwater said:

You hear both groups referring to the other as if they are the minions of the devil.

Wait... They're not?  This is the first I've heard of this.  Why hasn't a memo been passed around here?

I reserve the right to call anyone who wants to replace our Constitution with a socialistic oligarchy, a minion of the devil.  Although I will accept that they are unwittingly so.

I'd say the same thing for people who want laws passed to force me to call a man a woman or a woman a man simply because they have a mental disorder.

Edited April 18, 2018 by Guest

[lostinwater]

12 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Wait... They're not?  This is the first I've heard of this.  Why hasn't a memo been passed around here?

i will admit i've been guilty of not reading a memo or two.

But seriously - go to a (any) Fox News Article and take a look at the comments section.  Or almost any news site with lots of people looking at it that has't disabled their comments section.  They pour in dozens at a time - a totally random sampling is below.  This is actually probably a more mild set.  

And this isn't a criticism of any political viewpoint - i just find it scary how incredibly polarized things are.  

Edited April 18, 2018 by lostinwater
Blasted words didn't convey what i was feeling :)

[Jedi_Nephite]

On 4/17/2018 at 12:03 PM, MormonGator said:

Yes, but in reality NYC is the financial capital of the world, so those who live in NYC are among the best and the brightest people in the world.

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NYC might have some of the best and brightest when it comes to crunching numbers and analyzing financial reports, but not necessarily the best and brightest or wisest when it comes to anything else.

[Guest MormonGator]

30 minutes ago, Jedi_Nephite said:

NYC might have some of the best and brightest when it comes to crunching numbers and analyzing financial reports, but not necessarily the best and brightest or wisest when it comes to anything else.

Like it or hate it, because of it's size NYC leads the way in culture (the best museums are in NYC), theatre, sports,  news (The Journal and Times are both based there), business-all sorts of things. 

And I don't like NYC. It's cold, dark, filthy, cold, crime ridden, and unless you are part of the 1%, two weeks there will bankrupt you. But you can't really deny or downplay it's importance to the world. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by MormonGator

[seashmore]

On 4/17/2018 at 7:28 PM, Sunday21 said:

You guys are mean! 😪

I assumed she meant average.

 

Question for the all the PNWers...is it really as rainy and cloudy there as they joke about in tv/movies?  Because I might enjoy the culture (books and coffee are two of my favorite scents) but the weather here in the Midwest has been all gray and cloudy for the past two months, and it's convinced me I could never live in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver, as much as fun as it sounds.

[Sunday21]

4 hours ago, seashmore said:

I assumed she meant average.  LOL 😂 

Edited April 19, 2018 by Sunday21

[Jedi_Nephite]

On 4/18/2018 at 4:47 PM, MormonGator said:

Like it or hate it, because of it's size NYC leads the way in culture (the best museums are in NYC), theatre, sports,  news (The Journal and Times are both based there), business-all sorts of things. 

And I don't like NYC. It's cold, dark, filthy, cold, crime ridden, and unless you are part of the 1%, two weeks there will bankrupt you. But you can't really deny or downplay it's importance to the world. 

@Vort said that people from NYC tend to think they are smarter than everyone else.  You said that they were the financial capital of the world, having the best and brightest.  My point is that while NYC may have people who are skilled at various jobs, does not necessarily mean that they are good at anything else.  It certainly doesn't mean that they are wiser than anyone else, or even wise at all.

The fact that they lead the way in culture really has nothing to do with my point.

[Vort]

20 hours ago, seashmore said:

Question for the all the PNWers...is it really as rainy and cloudy there as they joke about in tv/movies?  Because I might enjoy the culture (books and coffee are two of my favorite scents) but the weather here in the Midwest has been all gray and cloudy for the past two months, and it's convinced me I could never live in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver, as much as fun as it sounds.

It doesn't rain nearly as much, volume-wise, as people say. It rains more in New York City than it does in Seattle. It rains much more in Miami than Seattle, volume-wise. Seattle gets about as much rain as Austin, Texas.

The difference is that Austin gets intense squalls that dump a lot of rain at a time. Seattle gets two or three of those per year, but mostly it gets a steady, light drizzle that starts in late September to mid-October and lasts until mid-April to mid-May. Our winters are mild and overcast; you can literally go weeks, even months, without seeing the face of the sun.

Many people around here are coffee snobs. As a non-coffee drinker, it doesn't affect me much, but I find such snooty behavior insufferable, especially about something as trivial as coffee. But, of course, to the True Believers, coffee is anything but trivial.

[Vort]

1 hour ago, Jedi_Nephite said:

@Vort said that people from NYC tend to think they are smarter than everyone else.  You said that they were the financial capital of the world, having the best and brightest.  My point is that while NYC may have people who are skilled at various jobs, does not necessarily mean that they are good at anything else.  It certainly doesn't mean that they are wiser than anyone else, or even wise at all.

The fact that they lead the way in culture really has nothing to do with my point.

In a roundabout way, I think it does. The "culture" that cities develop (and thus excel in) is always a worldly culture, and often (usually?) at odds with gospel principles. For example, the Book of Mormon takes a dim view indeed of those who wear clothes to distinguish themselves as privileged and superior -- which of course is the very lifeblood of city fashion.

Cities are centers of creativity. But much of our worldly creativity involves making distinctions and then naming one faction superior to another. Cities are the centers of education, of what we today call universities. But knowledge learned at universities is relentlessly performance-based: If the knowledge does not get immediate results -- however "results" are defined for that discipline -- then the knowledge is considered worthless, perhaps even false. This is the Darwinian reality of a fallen world, the absolute insistence on competition. This inevitably leads to corruption, another of the defining features of a city.

Cities are not required for corruption and evil to exist among mankind, but they do seem to grease the skids. Yet our goal is eternal life, and one of the distinguishing features of eternal life is to dwell forever in Zion -- the greatest of all cities. So chew on that for a while.

[Jedi_Nephite]

16 hours ago, Vort said:

In a roundabout way, I think it does. The "culture" that cities develop (and thus excel in) is always a worldly culture, and often (usually?) at odds with gospel principles. For example, the Book of Mormon takes a dim view indeed of those who wear clothes to distinguish themselves as privileged and superior -- which of course is the very lifeblood of city fashion.

Cities are centers of creativity. But much of our worldly creativity involves making distinctions and then naming one faction superior to another. Cities are the centers of education, of what we today call universities. But knowledge learned at universities is relentlessly performance-based: If the knowledge does not get immediate results -- however "results" are defined for that discipline -- then the knowledge is considered worthless, perhaps even false. This is the Darwinian reality of a fallen world, the absolute insistence on competition. This inevitably leads to corruption, another of the defining features of a city.

Cities are not required for corruption and evil to exist among mankind, but they do seem to grease the skids. Yet our goal is eternal life, and one of the distinguishing features of eternal life is to dwell forever in Zion -- the greatest of all cities. So chew on that for a while.

So, we're in agreement.

[Vort]

17 minutes ago, Jedi_Nephite said:

So, we're in agreement.

Basically, yes. Most of the things that cities promote are of no eternal value. Some might respond that cities promote virtues such as freedom, self-determination, happiness, contentment, progress, and so forth. But if you drill down into the nitty-gritty definitions of the values cities actually promote, it comes down to power, money, and pleasure. These things, though not evil per se, are always corrupted when sought after as the end in themselves. In this case, "always" means "100% of the time, no exceptions".

Edited April 20, 2018 by Vort

[Sunday21]

On 2018-04-17 at 2:01 AM, LiterateParakeet said:

I love Seattle!   Though I don't like driving in downtown Seattle . . .  ugh.   Space Needle, Freemont Troll, Alcai Beach, Pike Place Market, Pacific Northwest Ballet.....so much to love here!!!!   

Ok. Here’s the plan. We meet in Seattle to plan our overthrow of the nation! 

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Edited April 22, 2018 by Sunday21