As a Political Science Major I have always been interested in general Church Views to Political Figures

[LatterDSaint]

10 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

When you say "we" are you  including yourself? What country are you from?

Whilst I understand this is politics and I am not an American Citizen, the "we" was in reference to us being members of the Church....

[NeuroTypical]

6 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

2018 Dems> 2018 Republicans in every which way.

Huh?

[omegaseamaster75]

4 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

Sorry man, didnt mean to hurt your feelings but I am going to tell it like it is rather than remain politically correct. 

If I said 1/4 of the stuff Trump has said WHILE he has been president alone, I would not be studying at BYU and I would definitely not be able to keep an office Job. He acts like a petulant child on Twitter mostly so if you havent seen his tweets, perhaps this is why you believe what I said is "disrespectful" rather than the truth...

Which country did you say you were from? Since you want to be disrespectful to our sitting president I think it would be fair to know the political climate of your native land.

[estradling75]

4 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

This is a false statement.

Republicans simply got tired of their qualified candidates getting borked.

And those that yell the loudest about Trump can't be bothered to figure out how he was able to win.... Rather they dismiss the issues voters have and therefore run serious risk of Trump going to 8 years instead of just 4

[Guest MormonGator]

Just now, omegaseamaster75 said:

Which country did you say you were from? Since you want to be disrespectful to our sitting president I think it would be fair to know the political climate of your native land.

What's left unsaid is that if Trump was a democrat and Tweeted these things, the left would be falling at their feet, excusing everything he did. 

[LatterDSaint]

16 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

I find it disrespectful to call our President a child. 

You specifically said you were not a US citizen in another thread.  Do you want to be an American citizen?  If the the answer is yes you should respect the office of the President.  If not mind your own business.

You may not like what I have to say (that is your right) but I didnt realize that I didn't have the right to speak out against the government even as a legal resident...

And I get that you support Trump. Is that just because of your 401K looking good or is it because he sleeps with adult ****stars?

[omegaseamaster75]

3 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

Whilst I understand this is politics and I am not an American Citizen, the "we" was in reference to us being members of the Church....

So not "we" as in the American people ok got it. Well I don't think "you" have anything to worry about when Kavanaugh gets appointed.

[NeuroTypical]

1 minute ago, LatterDSaint said:

And I get that you support Trump. Is that just because of your 401K looking good or is it because he sleeps with adult ****stars?

Wait - was that a dig at his wife?   And a dig at anyone who supports Trump?

Dude - maybe ratchet back the insulting a little?  Not sure if english is your second language or something, but no really, friendly comment here - be a bit more respectful.

[estradling75]

MOD HAT ON:  OK people just because we allow politics does not mean we allow the breaking of forum rules.

KNOCK off the personal attacks or we will infract the offenders and shut things down.

[Just_A_Guy]

45 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

I also want to discuss the supreme court nominee Brett Kavanugh. Recently, a woman has alleged that he and one of his buddies attempted to gang rape her when they were drunk at a party back in high school, and that they turned the music up to quell her protests. Does anyone believe this allegation may have some plausibility or is it a smear job by the democrats to make Republicans look like rape apologists? I am still awaiting details on this case, but as far as I am aware, Donald Trump is not an honest man, and the people around him are evidently not honest people either with all the guilty pleas in recent months. Then there was the endorsement of Roy Moore. I still can't quite purge that from my mind, the way republicans desperately defended Roy even though any sensible and honest human being knew he was a pedophile... I hope that if these allegations against Kavanaugh are true, republicans will not make the same mistake that they did with Roy Moore otherwise they will get slaughtered in the midterms. We need to be able to trust these people who are occupying these Government positions....

The details on Kavanaugh are still coming out; but so far what I see are:

—an accusation of joint misconduct by Kavanaugh and another classmate

—A denial from Kavanaugh

—A denial from the classmate

—A letter signed by sixty-ought women who knew Kavanaugh in high school, apparently vouching for his character around women

—Two Democratic congresswomen who were apparently so skeptical of the accusation that they themselves sat on the information for nearly two months.

This reeks of desperation.  

But, in a larger sense—yes, the GOP has left themselves open for this sort of accusation by (a significant portion of them) embracing Trump and by (a significant portion of them) rallying to Moore’s defense.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Just_A_Guy

[LatterDSaint]

1 minute ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

So not "we" as in the American people ok got it. Well I don't think "you" have anything to worry about when Kavanaugh gets appointed.

Aboslutely, I don't, but I would have thought that as members of the church we would care about immoral people putting other immoral people in positions of power that affect a vast majority of other people. No?

Women's right to abortion doesnt affect me but that isnt the only issue that will come across the supreme court will it. Who would want partisan hacks who believe a President cannot be indicted on the Supreme Court. Like I said, I care about people other than just myself or the party I affiliate with the most....

[omegaseamaster75]

2 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

You may not like what I have to say (that is your right) but I didnt realize that I didn't have the right to speak out against the government even as a legal resident...

There is speaking out against the government which I am totally fine with, and there is being disrespectful to our lawfully elected officials.

3 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

And I get that you support Trump. Is that just because of your 401K looking good or is it because he sleeps with adult ****stars?

That's a pretty big assumption, point of fact is I did not vote for Trump. Yes my 401k is killing it, and I could care less if he slept with a porn star 12 years ago.

 

 

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, LatterDSaint said:

Sorry man, didnt mean to hurt your feelings but I am going to tell it like it is rather than remain politically correct. 

If I said 1/4 of the stuff Trump has said WHILE he has been president alone, I would not be studying at BYU and I would definitely not be able to keep an office Job. He acts like a petulant child on Twitter mostly so if you havent seen his tweets, perhaps this is why you believe what I said is "disrespectful" rather than the truth...

So... here are your choices - which one are you going to vote for:

1.)  A corrupt politician but can give a dashing politically correct speech and his ideology you don't believe is good for America.  - Obama

2.)  A corrupt politician who gets away with corruption by pulling levers of government, doesn't even give good speeches, with an ideology you don't believe is good for America. - Clinton

3.) An upstanding guy with an ideology matching yours but can't effectively implement such ideology.  - Ben Carson

4.) An guy that can't define an ideology but has proven ideological instincts matching yours, proven capable of listening and pondering all input, and is very effective in implementing solutions even with all odds stacked against him.  - Trump

 

Now with Trump.... I didn't support Trump just because of #4 above.  I supported Trump over all other candidates except for Carson and Paul - because he (and Carson and Paul) are the ONLY ones on that stage that held a US Foreign Policy position that is sensible.

 

[LatterDSaint]

1 minute ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

There is speaking out against the government which I am totally fine with, and there is being disrespectful to our lawfully elected officials.

The truth isnt disrespectful and you are kinda saying the same thing twice...

 

2 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

and I could care less if he slept with a porn star 12 years ago

Interesting...

Is it a problem for you if I do care about things like that (as a legal citizen)?

[Just_A_Guy]

7 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

Who would want partisan hacks who believe a President cannot be indicted on the Supreme Court. 

That’s a pretty mainstream legal position, across American party lines; and Kavanaugh even held to it during the (Democratic) Clinton administration.  (Source).  

[Also:  don’t make me play my “I graduated from a law school in the United States—did you?” card.  ]

Accusations of Kavanaugh’s “partisan hackery” in this regard run a real risk of revealing more about the accuser than about Kavanaugh.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Just_A_Guy

[omegaseamaster75]

1 minute ago, LatterDSaint said:

The truth isnt disrespectful and you are kinda saying the same thing twice...

I'm not saying the same thing twice you can express disent without being disrespectful

2 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

Is it a problem for you if I do care about things like that (as a legal citizen)?

You can care all you want about it. It's a free country.

[NeuroTypical]

I'd like to second the request.  Hey LatterDSaint - in which country do you live?  (not a demand, just a request.)

[LatterDSaint]

17 minutes ago, estradling75 said:

Without a conviction Kavanugh is (and should be by all) Presumed Innocent

Hi Mod. I will push back on this here. Sometimes the statute of limitations prevents someone from even going to trial for an alleged crime. That would occur here. Presumed innocence in the court of law is one thing. Public perception of an alleged criminal is another. And as of right now, my presumption of Kavanugh's innocence gets less and less with the way Senator Chuck Grassley released signatures of 65 woman who were supposedly Kavanaugh's classmates (even though he went to an all boys school) within 24 hours of the allegation coming to light. That screams that the GOP knew that such an allegation might come to light and prepared this defense in case it did. Those actions give me much more reason to believe Kanaugh did attempt to rape someone while he was in highschool. Now can we all be forgiven? Of course, but I don't know kavanaugh well enough to extend my sympathies for him and not see this allegation worthy of some credibility....

[LatterDSaint]

5 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I'd like to second the request.  Hey LatterDSaint - in which country do you live?  (not a demand, just a request.)

The United States

[LatterDSaint]

7 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

I'm not saying the same thing twice you can express disent without being disrespectful

fair enough...

[omegaseamaster75]

7 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I'd like to second the request.  Hey LatterDSaint - in which country do you live?  (not a demand, just a request.)

I will reword, which country do you have citizenship in.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, estradling75 said:

MOD HAT ON:  OK people just because we allow politics does not mean we allow the breaking of forum rules.

KNOCK off the personal attacks or we will infract the offenders and shut things down.

I find it amusing just how blind some people can be to their own hypocrisy.  Did you notice how he didn't even blink.  He automatically thought you were talking about someone else.

[LatterDSaint]

11 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

That’s a pretty mainstream legal position, across American party lines; and Kavanaugh even held to it during the (Democratic) Clinton administration.  (Source).  

[Also:  don’t make me play my “I graduated from a law school in the United States—did you?” card.  ]

Accusations of Kavanaugh’s “partisan hackery” in this regard run a real risk of revealing more about the accuser than about Kavanaugh.

I appreciate your response. However a "pretty mainstream legal position across American party lines" suggests that Democrats would not want a Democratic President to be indicted and Republicans wouldn't want a republican president to be indicted. I would want any President to be indicted if there was sufficient evidence that they violated the law. As you graduated from law school in the US, could you respond to whether that is an unreasonable position to hold? 

 

[omegaseamaster75]

7 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:

Hi Mod. I will push back on this here. Sometimes the statute of limitations prevents someone from even going to trial for an alleged crime. That would occur here. Presumed innocence in the court of law is one thing. Public perception of an alleged criminal is another. And as of right now, my presumption of Kavanugh's innocence gets less and less with the way Senator Chuck Grassley released signatures of 65 woman who were supposedly Kavanaugh's classmates (even though he went to an all boys school) within 24 hours of the allegation coming to light. That screams that the GOP knew that such an allegation might come to light and prepared this defense in case it did. Those actions give me much more reason to believe Kanaugh did attempt to rape someone while he was in highschool. Now can we all be forgiven? Of course, but I don't know kavanaugh well enough to extend my sympathies for him and not see this allegation worthy of some credibility....

You realize that we are discussing an alleged crime that happened 37 years ago......In the last 37 years they have come up with nothing!!!!! So we have to go back to highschool? 

[LatterDSaint]

Just now, Carborendum said:

I find it amusing just how blind some people can be to their own hypocrisy.  Did you notice how he didn't even blink.  He automatically thought you were talking about someone else.

LOL I guess I just assumed that the rules only applied in regards to people in this forum, not to public officials and people not in this forum. Apologies