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Hear hear. Quite a lot of sentiment gets thrown round to suggest that if somebody isn't perfectly serving in their calling then they are useless. Always makes me uncomfortable, and it's an unrighteous, toxic attitude. We've a new Young Womans president being called and before she has even been set apart I've heard comments suggesting that this is "the end" of our youth.

I'm glad to hear it. When this news is covered on tiktok and x, the anonymous comments from folks identifying as the progressive left are about 90/10 in support of dude and his action. It's a universal phenomenon that people talk crap anonymously, and half of the responses are probably bots, but it's still rather chilling to see firsthand. That 10% is nice to see though. Lots of "I'm all in on Gaza and f*** israel but what dude did was wrong".

Absolutely agree. I've seen nothing but condemnation for this unconscionable act from like-minded folks.

Psychoanalyzing historical figures through historical records gets tricky fast. It's easy to be an armchair shrink, but it's even easier to judge unrighteously by filling in any missing context with our modern cultural contexts and understandings. Brigham and all historical figures faced many influences from their culture and society, and looking only at their diaries usually ignores the bigger picture of their experiences and decisions. Another way to put it: To us fat lazy 21st century 1st world elites, 1800's frontier Americans all look like crazy savages. We have lost all clues of how much effort those people had to put into just surviving the winter, much less the threats of extinction from other human sources. Here's a fun little slice of how things were back then: My wife is a descendant of the Native American slave trade. When the Mormons hit the valley, the various Ute tribes saw increased opportunities for trade. And raiding other villages for captive women and children became a new booming industry, because the good hearted LDS folks would buy slaves from them, especially if the slave traders mistreated their captives in front of the Mormons or threatened to kill them if they weren't sold. I wonder how accurate we can be with our attempts to psychoanalyze the chiefs of the various Sanpete and Timpanogos and other Ute tribes for thinking such things were a perfectly normal way to conduct a trading relationship with the newcomers. Yep. Even when I download the large filesize copy and drill down to max magnification, it's still nigh impossible to read. @jdf135, unless I miss my guess, you're going off of someone's text here. Care to post it? If it's an anti source, don't post the link to the source, but we can't really respond to your claims until we see upon what they are based.

For the record, I once had an English teacher who would routinely yell at us any time he saw a paper that contained too many instances of the words "this" or "it". Both were anathema in his book. Although I guess I can see his point. Who wants to spend an hour reading 20 versions of this: The War of 1812 is still talked about today. This is for obvious reasons. It's because it had such a big impact on the world, and this cannot be forgotten. Back in the day, I could take that line of text and turn it into a 3 page essay. My grades usually reflected it.

Don't you mean you'll see if it is a thing? (I'm pretty sure you'll find it is almost always a thing.) PS: Enjoy your trip!

Oof - and more news from the victims: As it happens, Lischinsky was an Israeli Christian who called Israel “the only place in the [Middle East] where Christians can thrive.” Milgrim, an American Jew, worked to build friendships between Israelis and Palestinians as a path to peace. The event they attended was a panel on multifaith humanitarian efforts to aid Gaza and other Arab war zones. Dude sure wrote a nice little manifesto though. Once you start dehumanizing who you think is your enemy, you can justify killing basically anyone.

Well, there you go again, Zil. Flexing your computer knowledge all over the place while exposing my ignorance on the topic... ...But if you need an industrial complex design, I'm your guy.

Our tech person thought that doing a complete reindexing of the site would fix the problem. It didn't. He's still working on trying to figure out what is going on as well as continuing to do some updates.

https://nypost.com/2025/05/22/us-news/elias-rodriguez-talked-down-about-iraq-war-vet-dad-raised-money-to-attend-leftist-conference/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app and your side @Phoenix_person has to accept that this guy was “one of our own”. Bitter medicine.