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yea i was just wondering if there were any good stories of conversion. i know i must choose but i love her so.Temple marriage is important to me.

I have a question, im not one to throw my business out but i feel as im not doing so because there are so many great people on this board young and not so young :) I have a girlfriend and dating for almost 3 years. Well lately she wants to marry and i ask her what does the bible say about marriage,as she things the BOM is man made and has plagurism you know the whole works, I felt the need and told her that i do not want to be married till death do us part. Then i refer her to scripture which talked about men asking about marriage and what happens when you die.Whos wife is she?Then Christ tells them that they do er, and all become angels in heaven. I told her that proper authority must be used to united two people in marriage, then i refer her to the scripture that says"what thou seal on earth is sealed in heaven"you know the scripture.(matthew 16:19)Proper priesthood authority. So basically i told that we believe in the primitive church. The church that was in the bible is now back on earth and Christ is the head of our church.Joseph Smith restored it because god chose him. I refer her to Amos 3:5 i believe. Make a long story short she has read the anti mormon stuff and is goes with it. She uses it as an excuse not to look into the church.She ll go to church but other than that she wont take lesson because she says it feels wrong.Her family is baptist and her dad thinks he knows more since he got a degree in christianity and she trust his word over Christ words. For all you converts how did you all get passed anti mormon stuff?Joseph Smith is fake stuff?I did pray but didnt feel anything trial? How can i get through to a mind that refuses to at least listen or look for herself. She is a great person,but this area she cuts off. She has read to much junk and has not read Christ words herself. This one subject is really tearing at our relationship and its starting to throw the red alert,maybe go our seperate ways,but thats hard for me cause i do love her but am realizing that if things dont change i ll have to what i need to do for me.i know relationships are a part of life and sometimes people just wont change and people grow then move on till they find someone. i just have to get through this. If not then i know she has to go,but how did you overcome. Share your stories.

Lots of good advice but im pretty sure that through daily scripture reading and prayer you can find the answer. Prayer is very powerfule when intentional and from the soul.

i ve always wondered if they really work.. dating sites that is. there are not very many people around here in Ky. well lexington anyway. Its a great city but just different than many.

that was hugeeee!!

Some great insight. even i learn from all questions asked.

awesome welcome to the board

i dont mean to hijack the post. If you need to delete my post i can post directly to the subject. I just got overexcited. I dont think that second comment should been in there but i already clicked the post reply button.

DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN...... This has been going on for a decade. It's been planned for many years. Part of revelations. Here listen to 20 secs. in especially.. Listen to this one Talks about mormon church and how the goverment gets into religion and he says Mormon church is clean from a dirty plot to destroy peoples believes and mindset on religion. 4:09-4:17 This is why there are so many churches in the nation... National Council of Churches exposed. Almost three decades ago.

Welcome back!!! This site is a great site to talk to people or comment on peoples questions after reading and searching for the anwers yourself. It is helping me get back to church. your not alone. Pray always that the lord may prepare you a way and the spirit may warn you of dangers when near them.YOu doing a great thing.

I dont mind cj. Hey lily let me tell you something. I have been with the church all my life. I didnt get to go on a mission cause of the doubt of the church. People would ask me things and i would be like you, stumble and Then more doubt would come upon me. I thought i knew truth but far from. I thought i had a testimony. That is was just given to me when i did good or read a scripture, help someone out or just going to conference. By allowing this kind of behavior i slowly fell away and soon into bad behavior. If you want to prepare yourself read "preach my gospel" on the LDS.org site. Turn off the tv and read scripture. I have started to do this and you know what i dont miss tv and im growing a testimony.I finally am feeling what others feel about the church. Take a topic from the typical guide and study it in the bible and confirm it with the book of mormon or however you want.Study things you know people will ask about. Prepare with scriptures from the bible as they are the word of god. The gospel in the bible is the gospel in the book of mormon. You have to really want to learn that topic. Have a notebook to write notations on a subject. Then keep study and reading and when you come across certain subjects you notate the scripture verse under that subject such as, Gospel,Priesthood,Prophets,GodHead etc. Faith. I struggled here but now i understand. Dont pray and exect answers. Allow due time for them cause you must be patient. It is at the will of the lord to give answers. Sometimes he will answer and sometimes he wont.I think cause sometimes we already know and sometimes he wants us to raise the bar. you know. You normal dont worry. It doesnt make you a bad person and there is no such thing as a bad member. Ask as many questions as you can but prayer really helps before and after scripture reading.

Im telling you all it is done on purpose and we let it happen... Lets face it..we dont know whats going on or how to fix it..we are being duped. The economy will fail and civil war will break out. Its that simple.someday will be the beginning of the worst times.

Thats funny... People actually think Obama controls the economy....lol

Thank you sir. I m 26 but i know there arent too many exception i hear. i just wondered. I know i should of gone,but if i cant then i ll just have to do something else to show the lord i still want to love him and be with him. Is it necessary to get to the celestial kingdom. What if i cant go? it stresses me out thinking i might be able to get to the highest kingdom.

Just wanted to know the latest you can go on a mission. Some sights say this and that. does anyone know a specific age. Just lately i ve prayed and in a repenting phase but i really want to show that im thankful for the gospel and i do love to share it now. There are so many people in the world going the wrong way and i want to know that i can help them byt bringing them back to the lord. I know it will help me grow greatly and want to sacrifice 2 years of my life.

thanks just_guy

i agree . im glad to see someone has the same views as me. I just dont like to post like that cause then i get critized but i agree with enolam

You will be challenged in your testimony of the church. Satan will tempt you, but you have to remember why you joined. You wont understand everything right away. I think i did the same thing. It okay to challenge yourself it is normal. There are answers in many places. I found the one above and it made sense. Joseph Smith wasnt the only one made mistakes. The crazy thing is the bible tells us not to afraid of them. God knows how we are and think. This why we have scriptures.

Here you go . read the whole thing Mormon Prophets, Called of God but Fallible: Why the Church of Jesus Christ Is and Can Be True even though Church Leaders and Other Mormons Make Mistakes Mormon/LDS Answers: Questions about LDS Prophets and the Mormons If any prophecy of a so-called prophet proves to be wrong, shouldn't we reject him? Isn't that the standard of Deut. 18:22? Deut. 18:22 reads: When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. This doesn't exactly say that one mistake makes a false prophet. James L. Mays, editor of Harper's Bible Commentary (San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1988, p. 226), writes: Prophecy in the names of other gods is easily rejected, but false prophecy in God's name is a more serious matter. This dilemma requires the application of a pragmatic criterion that, although clearly useless for judgments on individual oracles, is certainly a way to evaluate a prophet's overall performance. The problem with applying Deut. 18:22 to a single, individual prophecy is that some prophecies can be fulfilled in complex ways or at times much later than anticipated by the hearers. Moreover, God sometimes appears to reverse certain prophecies, as He says He is free to do in Jeremiah 18:7-10: 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. Be careful in how you apply Deut. 18:22, for you threaten to reject some true prophets in the Bible! There are examples where a true prophet prophesied something which did not happen as he stated, to the best of our knowledge. An example is found in the story of Jonah, who was told by God to prophecy to the people of Nineveh. Jonah prophesied that the people would be destroyed in 40 days (Jonah 3:4) - no loopholes were offered, just imminent doom. God changed things, however, when the people repented and He chose to spare them - much to the chagrin of that imperfect (yet still divinely called) prophet, Jonah. Jonah, in fact, was "displeased ... exceedingly" and "very angry" (Jonah 4:1) about this change from God, perhaps because it made Jonah look bad. In spite of an "incorrect" prophecy and in spite of the obvious shortcomings of Jonah, he was a prophet of God and the Book of Jonah in the Bible is part of the Word of God. Yet if that sacred text had been lost, only to be restored by Joseph Smith, perhaps as part of the Book of Mormon, it would be assaulted as the most damning evidence against Joseph Smith. Just imagine how the critics would dismiss the Book of Jonah as being evil, contradictory, ludicrous, anti-Biblical, unscientific, and unchristian (of course, there are plenty already who reject it as it is, unable to believe major parts of the story). The prophet Ezekiel provides another example of how true prophets may err or give prophecies of uncertain accuracy. In Ezekiel chapters 26, 27, and 28, we read that Tyre (a fortified island city) would be conquered, destroyed, and plundered by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The riches of Tyre would go to Babylon (Ezek. 26:12). Nebuchadnezzar's army did lay siege to Tyre, and its inhabitants were afflicted, apparently so much that they shaved their heads bald, as prophesied in Ezek. 27:31. However, the 13-year Babylonian siege apparently was not quite as successful as Ezekiel had predicted, perhaps because the land-based tactics of Babylonian sieges were less effective against a fortified island city with significant maritime power. The result of the siege may have been a compromise or treaty rather than total destruction and plunder, for Ezekiel 29:17-20 reports that the predicted plundering did not take place. Almost as if in compensation, the Lord now announces that He will give Egypt to the Babylonians, which is the theme of chapter 29. Here are verses 17-20: 17 And it came to pass in the seven and twentieth year, in the first month, in the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 18 Son of man, Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon caused his army to serve a great service against Tyrus: every head was made bald, and every shoulder was peeled: yet had he no wages, nor his army, for Tyrus, for the service that he had served against it: 19 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will give the land of Egypt unto Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army. 20 I have given him the land of Egypt for his labour wherewith he served against it, because they wrought for me, saith the Lord GOD. Yes, Tyre was eventually destroyed, but its complete destruction apparently did not occur during the Babylonian siege, and certainly the Babylonian army did not get the riches of Tyre as has been prophesied. It is Ezekiel himself who reports this "prophetic failure." (The analysis above is derived from an article by Daniel C. Peterson in Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, Vol. 7, No. 2, 1995, pp. 49-50.) D.C. Pyle has also commented on Ezekiel's prophecy of Tyre: Of course, my favorite part of the prophecy against Tyre is the part found in Ezekiel 26:14 and 27:36, where the Lord states that Tyre would "not be rebuilt" and "exist no more forever." Of course, after it was left unconquered by the Babylonian armies, it eventually fell to the Greeks under Alexander and was destroyed by his armies. But then, the city which was never to be rebuilt forever rose again to wealth and power in 125 BCE! During the Roman period, the city rose to even more prominence and had a Christian community living in the mainland portion. Muslims reduced the city to ashes in 1291. It was rebuilt again sometime after this. In 1983, it had an estimated population of 23,000. The prophecy stated that the place would "be a bare rockface for spreading nets and would never be rebuilt" but today, the place has become a fairly important maritime center. To those who refuse to believe that Tyre still exists today, pictures can be see at Tyre (Sour) City, Lebanon. Note that there are many buildings - it has been rebuilt. A literal interpretation of Ezekiel's prophecy coupled with a belief in Biblical inerrancy leads to obvious problems. My purpose in discussing the prophecies about Tyre is not to question the truthfulness of the Bible (it is true - we just need to struggle to understand it properly, as we must with all scripture and all prophecy, and we need to understand its potential limitations). My primary purpose in discussing Tyre is to point out that an overly critical attitude and a strict application of Deut. 18:22 may reject even true, Biblical prophets. If we try hard enough to find reasons to reject a prophet, we will surely succeed - but beware lest we judge unwisely and reject those whom God has sent and anointed, even though they be mortal and fallible. As for Tyre never being rebuilt, I think it's fair to mention that Hebrew writers used extreme words like "never" or "all" or "forever" in a rather loose way. Tyre was "never" to rebuilt and animal sacrifices were to continue "forever" - but these expressions can best be understood as figures of speech rather than absolutes. But if we're going to take the reasonable, thoughtful path of understanding the Bible rather than looking for apparent flaws to condemn it out of hand, we should extend the same courtesy to the Book of Mormon and the words of modern prophets. Another example to consider is the prophet Jeremiah - a great and inspired prophet - who prophesied that king Zedekiah would "die in peace" (Jer. 34:4-5). Critics could argue that this prophecy did not prove to be true, for Zedekiah saw his sons killed by the conquering Babylonians and was himself blinded and put in prison, where he died in captivity - not in peace (Jer. 52:10-11). Of course, the point is that he would not be killed by the sword, but die of natural causes - albeit in prison - yet to the critics, it may look like a case of a false prophecy. This case is certainly less clear-cut than the prophecy of Ezekiel discussed above, yet also serves to warn us against harsh judgments. Many LDS critics attempt to condemn Joseph Smith using a standard that would, if applied to Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Jonah, also condemn the Old Testament as a fraud.

here is the vid. Didnt care for it much but the comment was on here

Taxes will go up?So many things are be set up to happen? What sad is we dont know how bad it is going to get. we think we do but the prophets tell us it will be bad!!! I ll quote from youtube comment that made sense Please Dont tax "What they are not pointing out is that Obama has stated many times that he will raise taxes on businesses. Taxes on business are immediately passed to the consumers of their products. Much like a sales tax. A sales tax has a much bigger impact on the middle class who spend most of their income. Unlike the Rich who can afford to save. Thus the middle class will be taxed higher with Obama." So technically obama isnt raising our taxes. But he is raising taxes where it will hurt the most. Our Pockets. Wolf in sheeps clothing.... just as jesus warned us about.

I think we all make this more difficult than it is. America will fail. Prophets and Apostles say it. The economy is setting up as the white horse prophecy of joseph smith and the dream of George Washington. Check this sight out. It has a couple mormon leaders who had dreams of this event.(economy and second coming) American Prophecy - 3 scroll down for George Washington and Joseph Smith then followed by other mormon leaders. Very interesting and gives a lot of insight.This is the only page i ve read. It seems like it all goes together. The other stuff on the home page i didnt read which has other people i dont know. It didnt bother me to read these as they felt true.

Welcome Welcome :)

Well i finally updated my profile. Didnt know i could do all this cool stuff on it. To anyone who has clicked on it. It is now something.

isnt divorced described in Matthew some where?Whats the churchs view on this? I ve always that of marriage as between two people because no matter what you will think of them good way or bad but by doing so your not fully into your new spouse which would be a sin. You know what im saying?To me once you are married you have made a covenant to them. IT is somewhere in matthew.I ll see if i can find it.